BF2S Forums George W. Bush might not be the best speaking president ever

I wise man once said, "I voted for Bush just to piss the rest of the world off".

norge wrote:

okay so i am a republican, and would have voted for bush instead of gore/kerry.  BUT he is the most retarded president ever.  But if kerry had been elected he would have pulled all troops out of iraq and you know what would have happened then? total war in the middle east and terrorism killing thousands daily in the western world.  Bush is stupid, but his advisors and people that he surrounded himself with are brilliant.  especially dick cheney.  without cheney the us would probably be in shambles.  Aanyonne that says cheney isnt the best vice president is ignorant.  However, bush's intelligence is about as good as the former president l.b.j.

Deluded. 'Total war in the middle east' - I think they're having a pretty good stab at total war right now with or without US presence. 'Terrorism killing thousands daily in the western world' - oh yeah! Because that was exactly what it was like before the Iraq invasion! LOL. Another propaganda monkey.

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It will take decades to undo the damage the moron has done to the image of Americans abroad.

"no one likes to see innocent people die"

reporter:"what does the war in iraq have to do with 9-11?"
bush:"nothing"

uhhhhhhh...

haha i watched the daily show last night it was hilarious.

Reminds me of the famous.. "I voted for it before I voted against it " statement by Kerry. Or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXypOf3Umf8

when it comes to bush being the president he is an idiot
dont know about anything else though

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Well no he is not a good speaker. Clinton was..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi24tzPz … mp;search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHSiqQpg7Uc

YAWN, want a propaganda monkey, there ya go, right there.  Those clips are bs, 1st is taken out of context, and the second is just slowed down.  Hope you weren't serious.

Before you call me a name why don't you read some of my post and see where I stand. It was a joke.

At least if Kerry got in the office the world would have known we were changind idiots and trying on a new idiot.. Ahh well

Diomed wrote:

It will take decades to undo the damage the moron has done to the image of Americans abroad.

Agreed

Navyholdi99 wrote:

Hindsight is 20/20.  It sure is easy to sit back and criticize the President when you haven't gone through the same experience and make the same decisions with the same info available at the time.  Political party doesn't matter...how do you know you would have acted differently if you were in his position?  You can't...but since you know the outcome of his decisions now it's easier to criticize.  Sure...things haven't gone as planned...but I truly believe he is acting in the best interest of the country and he is trying his best. 

He definitely isn't he best speaker though...I cringed a little yesterday during his speech.  Oh well...

Anyway...that's my 2 cents.

Well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know not to hand over security of our ports to an Arab nation now does it?

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

1: Didn't know it was required to be american to talk about the elections, which you only could know about being there at that moment.  I apologize.
2.You're american and you're wrong.  In America you don't need more votes to win, you can still win having less votes than the other guy.  Gore had more votes than Bush, only that he stole Florida votes to gain the electors from that state.  In fact that is what you vote, electors who then decide for you.
3.If Kerry would have stolen some votes from Ohio, he'd be president, despite the fact that the guy sucks.

1) I don't think thats what he meant, he only meant that you as an outsider obviously has less direct knowledge of what happened here, I think its safe to say thats true.

2) Well it depends on what you thought he meant, sure Gore had more popular votes but electoral votes are all that matters.  He only said you need one more vote than the other guy.  Well yeah one more electoral vote, don't be so quick to assume

3) Ummm no!? Ohio was locked up, ok look at these facts:

A) More people voted in the last election than only a couple other elections in the history of the US. 

B) Bush received ~4 MILLION more popular votes than Kerry. 

C) Bush also received more than enough electoral votes from different states that Ohio didn't matter.  (It usually does though)

And at least were on the same page that Kerry sucks 

ok, i was going to respond, but you covered pretty well.
the outsider issue: you were not here during the elections, therefore you have less direct knowledge of what went on here than i did. that is a fact, pure and simple.
the vote issue: popular votes and electoral votes are still votes. you only need one more of each to win (popular to win the state, electoral to win the election)

ohio: what the hell do you mean stolen votes??? nobody steals votes. the only people who claim conspiracy and vote stealing are the people who cannot accept defeat. move on. focus on the next election. dwelling in the past will only bury you.

and jonsimon, please, please respond when you are back from wherever you are. your posts in the last couple days have made little to no sense at all.

Dersmikner wrote:

Hmmm... well that transcript, assuming it's correct, is counter to what I've heard, but printed proof would be printed proof.

It would seem that your sources portray our President in an undeservedly positive light. Might want to have a look at what else they're telling you as well.

Dersmikner wrote:

Do we know whether or not that was a curved grading system? I once got a 64 on a biology class midterm at UT, and it was good for the 8th highest grade in a class of 200+.

As I pointed out in my post, the transcript clearly shows that he got a "pass" as opposed to a "high pass". Your contention that he graduated with honors is just not true.

Dersmikner wrote:

Even assuming that is correct, an assumption to which I'm loathe to agree, he graduated from Yale.

Right, and as I pointed out in my post, graduating from Yale is no certification that you are intelligent, especially with a trustee as a grandfather and a superstar academic oil man alumnus for a father.

Dersmikner wrote:

He certainly would then have to have had enough of a GRE score to be admitted to Harvard B School with average Yale grades.

I would strongly disagree. Anyone familiar with top ten b-school programs will tell you that family prominence and money play HUGE roles in acceptance.

Besides, before matriculation at HBS he was REJECTED from U of Texas Law School, which also would have accepted the GRE as the de facto standardized test score. Rejected at U of T - currently the #16 law school in the country - but then accepted at HBS - currently the #1 b school in the country. Certainly sounds as though HBS weighed factors unrelated to his intelligence.

To say the least, it throws your earlier claim that he "kicked ass on the GRE" into significant doubt.

Dersmikner wrote:

Either (1) that alleged transcript is false, (2) it is correct and things were graded on a curve and my understanding that he was an honors student is still correct, or (3) there was no curve to the grades, he got Bs and Cs, and still graduated from Yale and went forward and graduated from Harvard MBA.

You're still not willing to admit that you were either wrong or making stuff up? Please. You said he graduated with honors and "kicked ass on the GRE". I call bullshit, and give you sources. Where are yours?

If someone can't provide any sources to back up their claims, should we listen to their opinions, or trust anything they say? Personally, I don't think so.

Dersmikner wrote:

As an aside, I would bet that most of you who feel that Bush is indeed an idiot were supporters of Gore, and my understanding is that Gore's grades were worse than Bush's. Does that make Gore an idiot as well?

Considering the record of your understanding so far, I'll go ahead and wait for you to give us a good source on this one as well before I entertain the premise.

norge wrote:

okay so i am a republican, and would have voted for bush instead of gore/kerry.  BUT he is the most retarded president ever.  But if kerry had been elected he would have pulled all troops out of iraq and you know what would have happened then? total war in the middle east and terrorism killing thousands daily in the western world.  Bush is stupid, but his advisors and people that he surrounded himself with are brilliant.  especially dick cheney.  without cheney the us would probably be in shambles.  Aanyonne that says cheney isnt the best vice president is ignorant.  However, bush's intelligence is about as good as the former president l.b.j.

I think there is no need in answering this post.  You answered yourself.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-08-23 16:30:53)