BF2S Forums George W. Bush might not be the best speaking president ever

M1-Lightning wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I still miss this whole it's clintons fault for 9/11 but not the person who was in office for a full year?? Please explain to me how that happens, it's the administration who is in office who is responisable for our safety isn't it?

That's like blaming Nixon soley for Vietnam.

I agree. We can't automatically blame nor credit Presidents for major events happening on their watch.

The Bush administration seems not to have been the motivation for the terrorists to do what they did on 9/11. Rather, the terrorists seem to have been motivated by America's support for Israel, which predates Bush by many presidencies. Before admitting that he had anything to do with 9/11, bin Laden said "Terrorism against America deserves to be praised because it was a response to injustice, aimed at forcing America to stop its support for Israel, which kills our people." After publicly admitting al Qaeda's involvement and his own direct link to the attacks, he said the attacks were carried out because "We are a free people who do not accept injustice, and we want to regain the freedom of our nation."

In my opinion, blaming Bush for provoking 9/11 is akin to blaming the principle of Columbine High School for what happened there in 1999. I feel that in both cases, bad people wanted to kill people, and they would have succeeded regardless of any available preventative measures undertaken by those in charge.

That said, I believe it valid argument that the Bush administration could have been better prepared for such an attack. Bush has been criticized for effectively ignoring signs of an impending al Qaeda attack. I would invite everyone to read the declassified portion of a briefing received by President Bush five weeks before 9/11 to decide for themselves. Again, to clarify my purpose for posting the link: I don't mean to imply, as some might, that the administration should be held fully responsible for failing to prevent 9/11 because Bush received this briefing. However, it is worrisome to hear that just prior to the declassification of the briefing, Condi Rice had been telling the press that the briefing was "primarily historical and includes no warning or threat information". To me that is a red flag.

I believe it is of course also valid to criticize the administration for its response and policies following the attacks.

jonsimon wrote:

The whole idea that the actions of one presidency determine the results of the next is applicaple only to ECONOMIC issues. Because change is slow on the economic front, we see results over more than a 4 year period. However, issues of DEFENSE are 100% completely under the control of the government and the current regime, any president can be held in complete responsibility for any matter of defense during his presidency.

Where do you get this crap? I've yet to read one of your posts today that make any sense or have any point to them. Who said Bush wasn't responsible for our national defense at the time of 9/11?

seriously jonsimon...go read a book....this has got to be the fifth or sixth time today where your general knowledge has been questioned...

M1-Lightning wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

The whole idea that the actions of one presidency determine the results of the next is applicaple only to ECONOMIC issues. Because change is slow on the economic front, we see results over more than a 4 year period. However, issues of DEFENSE are 100% completely under the control of the government and the current regime, any president can be held in complete responsibility for any matter of defense during his presidency.

Where do you get this crap? I've yet to read one of your posts today that make any sense or have any point to them. Who said Bush wasn't responsible for our national defense at the time of 9/11?

I think what jonsimon is sayin' is that all the fuck ups that Bush is doing in economy, he will not pay for.  He will leave the charge to another president who will have to deal with the mess and shit he left behind.

Bush needs serious help... Not sure if they have powerful enough med's out yet.

i support our president if u dont like him u should justget up and get out and go back to ur africa u joodikenoloberns....... roflin

The guy graduated from Yale with honors, and kicked ass at Harvard MBA school.

Think that was coasting because of who he was? (1) Most people at Yale and Harvard are somebody, and (2) he also kicked ass on the GRE test, with which daddy can't help you.

All of you who have graduated from Yale and Harvard, and dominated the GRE, please continue questioning his intelligence. The rest of you shut the hell up.

Last edited by Dersmikner (2006-08-22 13:46:23)

Source for what, his academic accomplishments?

Well, I lived on the same block he did in Dallas in 93 and 94 and that's how I know, but I believe you can find all that info on White House.org or whatever that site is.

Also, if you can't find the GRE you can find the range of scores accepted at Harvard B school that year, and just plug him in at the very bottom and find it's still quite impressive.

Last edited by Dersmikner (2006-08-22 13:55:48)

comet241 wrote:

i think he's a crap public speaker, but he is far from being an idiot. I voted for him, twice, and I can't speak in public, so why should I hold it against that guy????

Are you kidding me did you ask why you should hold it against him? uhh give me a second to think about my response…  BECAUSE HE IS THE PRESIDENT. Dude, that is not a job that is given to some thug at McDonalds. He is a world leader. The leader of the free world and he sucks at public speaking…. you have to be kidding me. Did you see the news conference in its entirety yesterday? He sucked! he avoid questions and was repetitive with his answers. Excuse the vulgarity but FUCK Iraq and fuck that idiot! Thank God I got out of the Army when I did. 

Dersmikner wrote:

The guy graduated from Yale with honors

This is true and so did his dad. Doesnt mean he earned his degree either he is an idiot its ok

No further...

Last edited by DirectFire (2006-08-22 13:58:29)

DirectFire wrote:

comet241 wrote:

i think he's a crap public speaker, but he is far from being an idiot. I voted for him, twice, and I can't speak in public, so why should I hold it against that guy????

Are you kidding me did you ask why you should hold it against him? uhh give me a second to think about my response…  BECAUSE HE IS THE PRESIDENT. Dude, that is not a job that is given to some thug at McDonalds. He is a world leader. The leader of the free world and he sucks at public speaking…. you have to be kidding me. Did you see the news conference in its entirety yesterday? He sucked! he avoid questions and was repetitive with his answers. Excuse the vulgarity but FUCK Iraq and fuck that idiot! Thank God I got out of the Army when I did. 

Dersmikner wrote:

The guy graduated from Yale with honors

This is true and so did his dad. Doesnt mean he earned his degree either he is an idiot its ok

No further...

Yeah it's so much better when questions are prescreened and answers are pre-written like before.

WarpaQ wrote:

i support our president if u dont like him u should justget up and get out and go back to ur africa u joodikenoloberns....... roflin

I guess you thought you were funny. So only black people dont like the president right? You know whats funny is i am black and a republican and i think he sucks. So does 63% of Americans and if im not mistaken. search CNN.com. So you are a really good example of why children should stay out of adult conversations.

Dersmikner wrote:

The guy graduated from Yale with honors

I think you are making this up. Please provide one source. Here's a copy of his Yale transcript.



You can see it is littered with percentiles in the 70s and low 80s. If you average out the averages listed near the bottom, he gets a 77.3. That's a C. C+ at best.

On the far right bottom corner, you can read that in his departmental examination, he registered a "pass" as opposed to "high pass".

I highly doubt he graduated with honors.

Dersmikner wrote:

he also kicked ass on the GRE test, with which daddy can't help you.

What was his score? Links please.

Dersmikner wrote:

All of you who have graduated from Yale and Harvard, and dominated the GRE, please continue questioning his intelligence. The rest of you shut the hell up.

You can see from the transcript that he got 1206 on the SAT (then called the CEEB). I did much better than that, and my Yale application was declined. A Yale degree is not necessarily certification for intelligence.

His father went to Yale. As did his grandfather. They were both superstars there, academically speaking. According to the Yale Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, "Legacy applicants have a better chance of being admitted than non-legacy students.".

His grandfather was also a Yale trustee at the time of his admission.

I would venture to say that the family Yale legacy preceeding him had a significant bearing on his acceptance.