jonsimon
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:


Beaten?  Not hardly.  It was a joke Git.
But the war is in arguments, not humor. You lost the war with a smile on your face. ;P
Maybe, but he and I haven't debated anything.  But if there was someone who knew how to spot a loser... It would be you jonsimon.  You ALWAYS lose.

QFT
You prove my point well. I like it when my opponents make my arguments for me.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Vintageologist wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:


Please tell me what gives gives the terrorists the right to that land over Israel? The Jews have existed in that region just as long as any Muslim. As a matter of fact there has been NO definative historical fact that says that land belongs to the Muslims over the Jews. there is always someone taking the time line back another 100 years to say who it belongs to. It is the Muslims that do not want to co-exist with Israel. It is the Muslims that are trying to enforce absolutes.
I agree with you, they both have rights on the land.  But considering that Israel is surrounded by muslin countries in that land that nobody says doesn't belong to them and Palestine, you may want to take Israel to another land.  This shit is going towards WW3.  Move Israel to another place.  Simply and difficult too.  But I think there's no option.  Don't see that as "the muslins won", see it like "well, now Israel can leave in peace".
Both muslins and jews are like ants, they're all ants.  But what happens if you put some red ants in the middle of a black ants colony?
Do you really think moving Israel would help anybody? It would just be celebrated as 'another great islamic win' and followed by more terror and delusions of grandeur of Islamic leaders. What is needed is to take out as many of those Islamic 'governments' and replace them with whatever is deemed appropriate to show the people of those countries how to live a life in peace and how big of a lie their religion was/is. Because Islam doesn't mean more than lie to me anyway.
And for those who say "Who gives us the right to judge whether their government is right or wrong and just take over and replace it?" Well... the question is more like can we justify leaving governments in action, where, just one example (enough others have already been posted in this thread), an 8 year old boy gets his arm crushed by a car in public to be permanently disabled as punishment because he was caught stealing? (this really happened in Iran, and there were even photographs taken) Don't they know that kids at that age can't be held fully responsible? I thought their were so superior to Jews and Christians?! This is just sick primitive crap and yes, I say here in public that I KNOW that all countries ruled under Sharia by Islamic leaders are per definition inferior and must be taken over and helped against this unfortunate situation. No goddamn liberal populist can ever tell me this isn't true.
You're calling muslin countries inferior, you're saying their religion is bullshit, you're saying all their goverments are bad, you're calling all non conservatives fascists as liberal populists.  Well, you must be some sort of messiah, thank God he sent you to show us the way.  Before you post any BS I'm jewish, don't practice the religion anyway, and I'm liberal, not populist.  What a shame dude.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6875
Separation of church and state ftw.
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
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Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Separation of church and state ftw.
LOLz, which has no precedence and isn't written anywhere in the Constitution or any other important founding papers.  Pwned FTW.
Raptor1
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its not, but they should be separated
jet burned
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ATG wrote:

http://i8.tinypic.com/24oxfl0.jpg

Please visit the links below
Excluding civilian murdered by soldiers during wartime these have got to be the most absurd executions of all time.
They are gay; hang them.
They brought Bibles to Saudi Arabia; behead them.
She went to classes to learn to read; shoot her.

This my friends, is a preview of life under Sharia ( that's Islamic Law, for you unschooled types ).
Islamic led governments such as those in Iran, Saudia Arabia, Niger, Pakistan, Afganistan, Eygpt and many others have put people to death for mundane acts such as those listed above.
What kind of animal would shoot a woman in the head for wanting to read?
What kind of man could put a noose around another mans neck because they don't like girls?
What kind of a government could sanction and carry out executions of people in this modern time for religious beliefs?
What kind of human fecal matter would destroy thousand year old statues of Budha because it wasn't an Islamic icon.

The answer to all of the above is of course, Muslim.

9-11 and terrorism aside, these are all primary reasons why the West is at war with Islam. Make no mistake, these people will not stop until you either convert to Islam and live under Sharia as a second class citizen, or die.
The United States can't say it, but I can call a spade a spade. This is a crusade, and we must finish it this time. This ideology must be crushed before, like a poisonous cancer, it spreads
We are at war with Islam, and I say it's a fight we need to win.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/22/102249/246
http://therhema.blogspot.com/2006/04/ex … di_11.html
http://www.rawa.org/murder-w.htm

EDIT, I have known many great people who are ethnically Muslim. This is why it's so sad for me; I know these people.
That's a little out of wack and, should I say, extreme, to be taking it out against the entire religion.

Yes, I'm implying you are being a bit of an extremist yourself (you sort of sound like them if you're talking about the whole religion).

Apologies for any offense - its what I'm seeing along with a bit to many contradictions.
ATG
Banned
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Contradictions such as ???
CameronPoe
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

G3|Genius wrote:

the Islam religion has been hijacked by evil.

Let's call the shots as they are: EVIL
How christian of you. Hypocritical godboy. 'Turn the other cheek', 'love thy neighbour as thyself', etc., etc. - I love hypcritical christians - they reaffirm my faith in the fact that christianity is bullshit.
WTF?

Where the hell did he bring Christianity into the equation.  Agnostic little punks get on everyones nerve always spinning everything to their own advantage...Hypocritical godboy, thats the second time I have seen you call someone that.

He is entitled to his opinions as much as you are CameronPoe.
I am entitled to call him a hypocrite because he is well-known for his 'christian' views on other threads.
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

lowing wrote:

Let me pose a hypothetical at you. Lets say Israel is dismantaled, and we bent to the will of the terrorists. Do you really think it ends there? Do you really think Islamic radicals won't continue there attacks on the world?
If not, where, exactly, do you plan on dawing a line in the sand and say NO MORE??

CameronPoe wrote:

Lowing why do keep referring to Israel as 'we'? You are on a completely different wavelength to a lot of Americans and most of Europe there.
I say we because Israel is our ally and the terrorists have made no small talk in advocating the destruction of
anyone that supports Israel.  Plus like I suggest above,the dismantaling of Israel will NOT be the end of it.
Now please answer my hypothetical, I really am curious to your answer
I think radical Islam will die with it's support base - the Israel-Palestine issue and Western intervention in their affairs. Once those issues are rectified the drivers for fundamentalism will largely cease to exist and extremism will gradually decrease to an acceptably miniscule level.
lowing
Banned
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

lowing wrote:

Let me pose a hypothetical at you. Lets say Israel is dismantaled, and we bent to the will of the terrorists. Do you really think it ends there? Do you really think Islamic radicals won't continue there attacks on the world?
If not, where, exactly, do you plan on dawing a line in the sand and say NO MORE??

CameronPoe wrote:

Lowing why do keep referring to Israel as 'we'? You are on a completely different wavelength to a lot of Americans and most of Europe there.
I say we because Israel is our ally and the terrorists have made no small talk in advocating the destruction of
anyone that supports Israel.  Plus like I suggest above,the dismantaling of Israel will NOT be the end of it.
Now please answer my hypothetical, I really am curious to your answer
I think radical Islam will die with it's support base - the Israel-Palestine issue and Western intervention in their affairs. Once those issues are rectified the drivers for fundamentalism will largely cease to exist and extremism will gradually decrease to an acceptably miniscule level.
Well Cameronpoe, I certainly hope you are right, but I feel the perceived victory (and confidence that goes with it) of the destruction of Israel will only fuel the fire for more violence against another group that is on their shit list, mainly, us infidels.
jonsimon
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Wouldn't that be a great case to STOP KILLING THEM?

You know, since you just conceded it MAKES THEM STRONGER.

Besides, you war mongers just like to ethnically stereotype every arab into being a suicide bombing infidel hater.

Seems racist to me.
lowing
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jonsimon wrote:

Wouldn't that be a great case to STOP KILLING THEM?

You know, since you just conceded it MAKES THEM STRONGER.

Besides, you war mongers just like to ethnically stereotype every arab into being a suicide bombing infidel hater.

Seems racist to me.
because the race card is the ONLY defense you can muster, never mind that it has no bearing whatsoever.
GunSlinger OIF II
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The Barbary Treaties :
Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796


...ARTICLE 11.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplo … r1796t.htm
SGT.Slayero
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Fuck Hezbollah Fuck Hamas. BURN IN HELL U ARAB BASTARDS!!!!!!!
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
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SGT.Slayero wrote:

Fuck Hezbollah Fuck Hamas. BURN IN HELL U ARAB BASTARDS!!!!!!!
good one...
SGT.Slayero
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ty ty ty
Capt.J.Tyler
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SGT.Slayero wrote:

Fuck Hezbollah Fuck Hamas. BURN IN HELL U ARAB BASTARDS!!!!!!!
nice one
SGT.Slayero
Member
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oh i hate Hezbollah
Capt.J.Tyler
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LostFate wrote:

9/11 was obviously a very bad thing and the people responsible should be harshly punished BUT retribution should'nt be taken out on the entire islamic world, most of them are decent normal people just like you an me..

Its a small group of people with a large amount of screws lose an they can come from any backround and any religion not just islam..

Lets take it out on the terrorists not the religion they hide behind.
I have to disagree with you, islam itself is the enemy.  In the koran (thats the islamic bible) it says to kill or
injure anyone that will not convert to islam.
the_hitman_kills
Agent 47 wannabe
+32|6694|Inside my APC

Capt.J.Tyler wrote:

LostFate wrote:

9/11 was obviously a very bad thing and the people responsible should be harshly punished BUT retribution should'nt be taken out on the entire islamic world, most of them are decent normal people just like you an me..

Its a small group of people with a large amount of screws lose an they can come from any backround and any religion not just islam..

Lets take it out on the terrorists not the religion they hide behind.
I have to disagree with you, islam itself is the enemy.  In the koran (thats the islamic bible) it says to kill or
injure anyone that will not convert to islam.
same thing can be said about the bible:

Old Testament:
35:2. You are supposed to kill people who work on Sunday.
18:22. Homosexuality is an abomination. All gays to be killed.
31:17-18. Moses says kill all, save the virgins for yourself
2:33-35. God demands killing of women, children, theft of land, theft of cattle.
22:13-21. A bride who is not a virgin will be killed with stones
22:23-26. If a virgin is raped, both she and the man shall be killed


dont attack an entire people or thier faith because of a few lines in a book.
jonsimon
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lowing wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Wouldn't that be a great case to STOP KILLING THEM?

You know, since you just conceded it MAKES THEM STRONGER.

Besides, you war mongers just like to ethnically stereotype every arab into being a suicide bombing infidel hater.

Seems racist to me.
because the race card is the ONLY defense you can muster, never mind that it has no bearing whatsoever.
Its just the card my opposition seems to be so loathe of. Sorry if I know how to strike a chord.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6880|USA

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Wouldn't that be a great case to STOP KILLING THEM?

You know, since you just conceded it MAKES THEM STRONGER.

Besides, you war mongers just like to ethnically stereotype every arab into being a suicide bombing infidel hater.

Seems racist to me.
because the race card is the ONLY defense you can muster, never mind that it has no bearing whatsoever.
Its just the card my opposition seems to be so loathe of. Sorry if I know how to strike a chord.
Nope, it isn't the "race card" I loathe, it is its application by people who have no real defense or argument.
SGT.Slayero
Member
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35:2. You are supposed to kill people who work on Sunday

not true
the_hitman_kills
Agent 47 wannabe
+32|6694|Inside my APC
"Lets kill all the Arabs, but I'm not a racist honest!"

People who belive this are hypocrites.
the_hitman_kills
Agent 47 wannabe
+32|6694|Inside my APC

SGT.Slayero wrote:

35:2. You are supposed to kill people who work on Sunday

not true
35:2
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

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