BF2S Forums What do you think of Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld?

Hellfire(Fish) wrote:

Bush is just a little rich boy, who did coke as a kid, lied about serving in the military to look good, has a father with a position of power (and money), and who got together with the rest of the upper ranking officials of the GOP and planned a presidential election strategy on little more than the ignorance of most christian voters, and the severe lack of people voting period. Who is now running this country into the ground with such blatant disregards for our constitution such as the patriot act, and the support of almost the entire Republican party, who don't have the balls to stand up and go against their leader when they think something is wrong. Who ALSO uses cheap propaganda, fear tactics, and hazy logic to keep himself elected during a war HE started in a country that was doing FINE without our help. (one of the few in the middle east that didn't have religous turmoil before we took it over) And all while crying "Terror alert Fuscia!" and using slogans like "Un-American" "Hates America" "Protecting Freedom"
It all just sickens me.

By the way, I voted Evil, and I AM an American.

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

Whoa whoa lowing please... keep your masturbatory fantasies to yourself, especially if they involve picturing me at my computer. I didn't know my "wet kisses and nibbles" thing would get you all hot and bothered. I recommend casual encounters on craigslist.org, it's a great place to post "Closeted fortysomething Bush butch seeks boytoy with lucious liberal lips "

I seriously have no doubts that you frequent such sites.

Then you're more dillusional than I thought.

G3|Genius wrote:

Bush will go down as one of our Nation's greatest presidents.

This man represents everything I want in a leader: courage, steadfastness, indifference to moody public opinion, and good conservative Christian values.

I think more people need to do some research before they come to a conclusion.  If all you watch is CNN, you will hate Bush.  If you want to get real news, avoid the TV altogether.

Jesus said, "the poor will always be with you."  Yet we still give money to the poor, and that is a good thing.  On the same wavelength, there will always be terrorists.  This does not mean ignore them.  We need to address the problem rather than giving up and coming home.

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hellfire(Fish) wrote:

Bush is just a little rich boy, who did coke as a kid, lied about serving in the military to look good, has a father with a position of power (and money), and who got together with the rest of the upper ranking officials of the GOP and planned a presidential election strategy on little more than the ignorance of most christian voters, and the severe lack of people voting period. Who is now running this country into the ground with such blatant disregards for our constitution such as the patriot act, and the support of almost the entire Republican party, who don't have the balls to stand up and go against their leader when they think something is wrong. Who ALSO uses cheap propaganda, fear tactics, and hazy logic to keep himself elected during a war HE started in a country that was doing FINE without our help. (one of the few in the middle east that didn't have religous turmoil before we took it over) And all while crying "Terror alert Fuscia!" and using slogans like "Un-American" "Hates America" "Protecting Freedom"
It all just sickens me.

By the way, I voted Evil, and I AM an American.

Ya got proof for all of this, or are you just venting?? He actually did coke as a kid? He really did NOT serve in the military?

The war in Iraq was started in 1991, not 2002. THe war in Afghanistan was started on 911 and not by Bush.

As far as planes flying into building killing 3000 people, and embassy bombings, and war ship bombings, and world wide terror activity, would suggest a little more to this threat than just scare tactics and propaganda.

Please, if and when the fight comes back to America, I don't want you backing me up, I would rather have you in front so you could be kept an eye on. Another terrorist lap dog!!.sighhhhhhhhhhh

I agree with Hellfire.  And proofs, i gave you hundreds of proofs.  Reread the posts before this one.   As far as I know there was no afghan people in the attacks in 9/11, why didn't Bush go after Saudi Arabia then?  If Bin Laden was at Afghanistan, it's another story, but who the hell you think gave him training?  Then Bush should go after US.

Last edited by Vintageologist (2006-08-19 05:31:32)

Spearhead wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hellfire(Fish) wrote:

Bush is just a little rich boy, who did coke as a kid, lied about serving in the military to look good, has a father with a position of power (and money), and who got together with the rest of the upper ranking officials of the GOP and planned a presidential election strategy on little more than the ignorance of most christian voters, and the severe lack of people voting period. Who is now running this country into the ground with such blatant disregards for our constitution such as the patriot act, and the support of almost the entire Republican party, who don't have the balls to stand up and go against their leader when they think something is wrong. Who ALSO uses cheap propaganda, fear tactics, and hazy logic to keep himself elected during a war HE started in a country that was doing FINE without our help. (one of the few in the middle east that didn't have religous turmoil before we took it over) And all while crying "Terror alert Fuscia!" and using slogans like "Un-American" "Hates America" "Protecting Freedom"
It all just sickens me.

By the way, I voted Evil, and I AM an American.

Ya got proof for all of this, or are you just venting?? He actually did coke as a kid? He really did NOT serve in the military?

The war in Iraq was started in 1991, not 2002. THe war in Afghanistan was started on 911 and not by Bush.

As far as planes flying into building killing 3000 people, and embassy bombings, and war ship bombings, and world wide terror activity, would suggest a little more to this threat than just scare tactics and propaganda.

Please, if and when the fight comes back to America, I don't want you backing me up, I would rather have you in front so you could be kept an eye on. Another terrorist lap dog!!.sighhhhhhhhhhh

As someone else in another thread said :

other people live, while lowing exists

lowing is a scared little war mongerer.  He can't accept the fact that America is not the most vulnerable country ever in human history, he can't accept the fact that in the Global War on Terror, about 0.1 percent of people died compared to WW2, and anyone who disagrees with him and his delusion that the US will be nuked by the end of the decade by a bunch of criminals and that hundreds of thousands of terrorists will pop up instantly in our backyard and begin killing us, he calls a terrorist lapdog, a pussy, and an America hater.

You're right lowing, when there's a civil war in the USA because of neo fascists like you, most of us will probably be on the other side.  But oh well, not like you'll care or even accept the fact that people are allowed to disagree with you, because that would mean that most people besides you are un American pussy terrorist lapdogs.  sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-08-19 12:43:02)

Hellfire(Fish) wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ya got proof for all of this, or are you just venting?? He actually did coke as a kid? He really did NOT serve in the military?

The war in Iraq was started in 1991, not 2002. THe war in Afghanistan was started on 911 and not by Bush.

As far as planes flying into building killing 3000 people, and embassy bombings, and war ship bombings, and world wide terror activity, would suggest a little more to this threat than just scare tactics and propaganda.

Please, if and when the fight comes back to America, I don't want you backing me up, I would rather have you in front so you could be kept an eye on. Another terrorist lap dog!!.sighhhhhhhhhhh

First, I don't have concrete proof for all of it, but then again, neither did we when we went into a country that "definitely" had weapons of mass destruction, and didn't.  And do you have proof he DID serve in the military?
and also, those planes got  there because the watchdog organizations set up to protect us from this sort of stuff did nothing about it with information saying something was likely to happen. Not to mention how people criticize the "liberal" media, then says nothing as Fox News goes about touting Bush as the greatest thing that has ever happened to this country, while simultaneously calling liberals and democrats "unamerican" and "America haters"  While our own president goes on to subsidize BILLIONS of dollars to the oil companies that already make BILLIONS off of us.  Seems kind of odd that we would give them MORE money after they keep jacking up prices for no real reason.
And to be honest, if terrorists actually got around to mounting an attack on this country, which they will if we keep spending money, lives, and our reputation worldwide on a war in a country across the globe, pretty soon the terrorists will be bringing the fight to us, and they won't just be afghans. You can't just go around pissing people off willy nilly and have no one stand up and fight back.
Also, Sigh only has one h, and if I was a terrorist lap dog I would probably not even bother saying anything about the president. If anything he seems to be helping the terrorists out by giving them more reasons to get new recruits to fight us.

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

As someone else in another thread said :

other people live, while lowing exists

lowing is a scared little war mongerer.  He can't accept the fact that America is not the most vulnerable country ever in human history, he can't accept the fact that in the Global War on Terror, about 0.1 percent of people died compared to WW2, and anyone who disagrees with him and his delusion that the US will be nuked by the end of the decade by a bunch of criminals and that hundreds of thousands of terrorists will pop up instantly in our backyard and begin killing us, he calls a terrorist lapdog, a pussy, and an America hater.

You're right lowing, when there's a civil war in the USA because of neo fascists like you, most of us will probably be on the other side.  But oh well, not like you'll care or even accept the fact that people are allowed to disagree with you, because that would mean that most people besides you are un American pussy terrorist lapdogs.  sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I also took on Lowing at first, but then I realized that's not his fault, he was bought by the propaganda.  They showed him and other thousands that America without Bush is lost against the terrorists.  They showed him that the muslins are all fundamentalists that hate America.  They brainwashed him bad.  What they didn't show is that Bush and co. are the most dangerous enemy to America.  From the distanct view, what a great president Clinton was.  I used to be more conservative and now I see all in a different way, and I became "leftier", but I am, like Malcolm, still in the middle.

Now, where we part company is what exactly to do about it. For me, all I am saying is kill all of your own people all you want, you screw with the US and you will pay for it. Your stance of just needing to understand the terrorists and listen to them after they just killed 3000 civilians in America alone is completely unacceptable to me. If you really want this war to end peacefully, then these Muslim radicals need to stop killing civilians or keep getting killed themselves. I do not agree with negotiations with terrorists.

If anyone is brain washed it those of you think the whole world will turn in the garden of Eden if Israel is destroyed. Their goal, as it has been stated is world conversion to Islam, and death or enslavement to those that do not. You are advocating giving them Israel in hopes they will leave us alone. Tell me again who is scared?

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-08-19 13:59:06)

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

lowing wrote:

Now, where we part company is what exactly to do about it. For me, all I am saying is kill all of your own people all you want, you screw with the US and you will pay for it. Your stance of just needing to understand the terrorists and listen to them after they just killed 3000 civilians in America alone is completely unacceptable to me. If you really want this war to end peacefully, then these Muslim radicals need to stop killing civilians or keep getting killed themselves. I do not agree with negotiations with terrorists.

If anyone is brain washed it those of you think the whole world will turn in the garden of Eden if Israel is destroyed. Their goal, as it has been stated is world conversion to Islam, and death or enslavement to those that do not. You are advocating giving them Israel in hopes they will leave us alone. Tell me again who is scared?

Exactly.  I actually agree with your entire statement right there. 

But it's the way you're saying it is what bugs me : you're making it sound like all Islamic terrorists are under one roof, when in fact they differ greatly in the ways they fight, what they really believe in, what they're fighting for, etc.  The terrorists in Iraq have NOTHING to do with the terrorists who detroyed the WTC.  I agree, we need to do something, that's why I think our invasion of Afgahnistan was a necessary one.  But Iraq, on the other hand, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of line right there.  The Afgahnistan and Iraq wars draw a fine line between self-defense and imperialism. 

But as far as your statement above, I don't think (actually, I know) that no one in the US actually listens and wants to negotiate with terrorists (except maybe 0.000001 percent of liberals, the extremist communist militant ones).  But for the most part you're under a delusion that liberals want to negotiate and listen to the terrorists.  The fact is, most libs view them as you do : criminals who don't give a shit about innocent people.  As far as Israel goes, they have a terrorist government just like Lebanon, maybe not to that extreme, but they definately aren't the peaceful, good willed kind of government that they'd like everyone to think of them as.

Just remember, terrorism is an abstract noun.  You can't combat terrorism, it'd be like trying to fight against nightmares or seasickness

I do put Islamic terrorist under "one roof". That is the roof labeled "HUNTERS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS for the GOAL of MOVING FORWARD THEIR OWN AGENDAS".

I don't really want to get into the reasons as to why we are in either country, you and I have been over that so much I could type it all blind folded now.

So let me ask this, instead of destroying Israel and "see what happens" with the Muslim radicals,which has been suggested by the majority of you, why don't the Arab nations surrounding Israel leave them the hell alone, and lets see what happens then. I am convinced that Israel is not interested in anything except a peaceful existence, and the ONLY nations that need to worry about Israel are the ones that constantly screw with Israel.

It is an all or nothing position with the Arab nations, Israel did in fact pull out of Gaza and out of the west bank last year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel's_u … ment_plan, at the detriment to Sharon and his office. This apparently wasn't good enough. Again it is all or nothing with the terrorists, and since we both agree on NO NEGOTIATIONS, what is it we are left with?? We succomb or we fight, the thrid option eludes me.

Hellfire(Fish) wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ya got proof for all of this, or are you just venting?? He actually did coke as a kid? He really did NOT serve in the military?

The war in Iraq was started in 1991, not 2002. THe war in Afghanistan was started on 911 and not by Bush.

As far as planes flying into building killing 3000 people, and embassy bombings, and war ship bombings, and world wide terror activity, would suggest a little more to this threat than just scare tactics and propaganda.

Please, if and when the fight comes back to America, I don't want you backing me up, I would rather have you in front so you could be kept an eye on. Another terrorist lap dog!!.sighhhhhhhhhhh

First, I don't have concrete proof for all of it, but then again, neither did we when we went into a country that "definitely" had weapons of mass destruction, and didn't.  And do you have proof he DID serve in the military?
and also, those planes got  there because the watchdog organizations set up to protect us from this sort of stuff did nothing about it with information saying something was likely to happen. Not to mention how people criticize the "liberal" media, then says nothing as Fox News goes about touting Bush as the greatest thing that has ever happened to this country, while simultaneously calling liberals and democrats "unamerican" and "America haters"  While our own president goes on to subsidize BILLIONS of dollars to the oil companies that already make BILLIONS off of us.  Seems kind of odd that we would give them MORE money after they keep jacking up prices for no real reason.
And to be honest, if terrorists actually got around to mounting an attack on this country, which they will if we keep spending money, lives, and our reputation worldwide on a war in a country across the globe, pretty soon the terrorists will be bringing the fight to us, and they won't just be afghans. You can't just go around pissing people off willy nilly and have no one stand up and fight back.
Also, Sigh only has one h, and if I was a terrorist lap dog I would probably not even bother saying anything about the president. If anything he seems to be helping the terrorists out by giving them more reasons to get new recruits to fight us.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Canadianinvasion wrote:

Exactly, but liberals dont care about that, its a vietnam situation again. People care about ending the war, not knowing what it is about. It is to LIBERATE COUNTRIES! It is all about giving these people the freedoms America is known for. Protesters that want their loved ones back dont understand that THEY SIGNED UP FOR THE MILITARY. If they were/are going to be killed, It comes with the job. In Vietnam, we pulled out because of a Liberalistic president, Where would we be if Gore was in office during 9/11?

Vietnam was never about liberating anyone. It was about trying to secure a french hold over the land in order to deprive the soviets of a potential ally. Every endevour during the cold war was selfishly intended to remove a potential soviet ally.

More than that, it was to deny the Soviets a convenient warm water port. Also, as some have it, it was one of many ways of spending the Soviets into the ground.

lowing wrote:

As far as Bush and the military, look it up, he served, although there is controversy about 6 months or so during his service.

As for this, it never ceases to amaze me how liberals bring that up, when they poo-poo'd Clinton's own bit of draft-dodging as irrelevant.

Hellfire(Fish) wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hellfire(Fish) wrote:

If we are going to mention someone pushing their own agenda at the cost of innocents, how bout how illegal Jewish immigrants founded Israel by taking up arms and using terrorism to get the British and the Palestinians off them?

They killed innocent Palestinians for their land and what did we do?
We gave em a pat on the back, recognized them as a state, and started selling them weapons...(correct me if I am wrong here)

Ok you are wrong.

"On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable. "


pulled from,

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace%20Proce … f%20Israel

Actually, 1947 was when the UN Recognized Israel as a state, NOT when the jews started taking land illegally.
There is actually a topic going on about this right now in this very forum. > http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=39998


And as for the flying planes into buildings killing 3000 people....
We had intel saying they were planning something, we had people on terrorist watch lists going to pilot school wanting to learn how to fly planes, not how to land them.
And we did nothing about it.
They attacked us because they are a radical group that just plain hates America. (If I remember right)
But all we've done since then is justify their actions by screwing around halfway across the globe in a country that had NOTHING to do with this. I REPEAT, NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE TERRORISTS.
This only pisses people off, which makes more terrorist recruits for more anti-American attacks. See the logic?
Terrorism isn't something you can fight with an army, it's something that is best fought through PREVENTATIVE MEASURES, like for example NOT pissing people off for no reason.

Last edited by lowing (2006-08-20 13:07:12)

Hellfire(Fish) wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Exactly.  I actually agree with your entire statement right there. 

But it's the way you're saying it is what bugs me : you're making it sound like all Islamic terrorists are under one roof, when in fact they differ greatly in the ways they fight, what they really believe in, what they're fighting for, etc.  The terrorists in Iraq have NOTHING to do with the terrorists who detroyed the WTC.  I agree, we need to do something, that's why I think our invasion of Afgahnistan was a necessary one.  But Iraq, on the other hand, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of line right there.  The Afgahnistan and Iraq wars draw a fine line between self-defense and imperialism. 

But as far as your statement above, I don't think (actually, I know) that no one in the US actually listens and wants to negotiate with terrorists (except maybe 0.000001 percent of liberals, the extremist communist militant ones).  But for the most part you're under a delusion that liberals want to negotiate and listen to the terrorists.  The fact is, most libs view them as you do : criminals who don't give a shit about innocent people.  As far as Israel goes, they have a terrorist government just like Lebanon, maybe not to that extreme, but they definately aren't the peaceful, good willed kind of government that they'd like everyone to think of them as.

Just remember, terrorism is an abstract noun.  You can't combat terrorism, it'd be like trying to fight against nightmares or seasickness

I do put Islamic terrorist under "one roof". That is the roof labeled "HUNTERS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS for the GOAL of MOVING FORWARD THEIR OWN AGENDAS".

I don't really want to get into the reasons as to why we are in either country, you and I have been over that so much I could type it all blind folded now.

So let me ask this, instead of destroying Israel and "see what happens" with the Muslim radicals,which has been suggested by the majority of you, why don't the Arab nations surrounding Israel leave them the hell alone, and lets see what happens then. I am convinced that Israel is not interested in anything except a peaceful existence, and the ONLY nations that need to worry about Israel are the ones that constantly screw with Israel.

It is an all or nothing position with the Arab nations, Israel did in fact pull out of Gaza and out of the west bank last year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel's_u … ment_plan, at the detriment to Sharon and his office. This apparently wasn't good enough. Again it is all or nothing with the terrorists, and since we both agree on NO NEGOTIATIONS, what is it we are left with?? We succomb or we fight, the thrid option eludes me.

If we are going to mention someone pushing their own agenda at the cost of innocents, how bout how illegal Jewish immigrants founded Israel by taking up arms and using terrorism to get the British and the Palestinians off them?

They killed innocent Palestinians for their land and what did we do?
We gave em a pat on the back, recognized them as a state, and started selling them weapons...(correct me if I am wrong here)