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sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Sorry you lost your job, not joking man.  That, beyond any difference we can have, is a real shit.  But, you should blame this administration for the thousands of jobs that have been lost since Bush is president.  You are a worker dude, I don't understand how you defend this guy, considering the problems that middle class are having in America coz of his mistakes in the economy issue.  The only winners here are the Ceos.  That you defend?

No i do not defend corporate greed. not at all

The main deference for me domestically speaking is I am a true believer ( at the risk of sounding cliche'ish)
that in America you can be whatever you want to be, the opportunities are here!! I am a big fan of small govt. and more personal responsibility. I do not want or need the govt. involved in anything in my life except protecting me so I can pursue my LIFE my LIBERTY, and my HAPPINESS. Bush is doing what must be done to protect that freedom, and I support his efforts because to date there have been NO attacks since 911 and several foiled attempts. How on earth can you call that a bad thing??

I appreciate your comments about my job,however, I bounced back rather quickly and was not affected too much by it. Except for the fact that for now I am out of the field I love.

But beyond everyone's personal responsibility, there's a rol that must be taken by any goverment, and this administration missed its obligations.  It's a responsibility of the goverment not to cut taxes to such low levels that it spends more than it earns.  Worse, if you spend all your money in war issues and forget about domestic ones.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I really do have to say that you are over-estimating the threat posed by true Islamic terrorists. To eradicate true Islamic fundamentalism is actually nigh on impossible. It is something that has to be managed. Another attack is inevitable.You still haven't given me your solution to this overblown threat posed to western civilisation.

Genocide? Please. Be serious.

Please don't try and nullify the significance of the deaths of my countrymen by shear arithmetic.

So what exactly DID happen to the Kurds in '88? and What exactly do they mean when the president of Iran calls for the destruction of Israel and all people that support it.

I have never claimed that I had a solution to any of this. I simply do not. I just refuse to accept the notion that it is best to ignore these threats and go home and we will be left alone.

The deaths of your fellow countrymen were tragic but don't play down the significance of the word genocide by trying to call the attacks anything nealy approaching genocide. It was murder pure and simple, not genocide.

Hmmm. Kurds. Muslims if I recall correctly. In fact - isn't Ansar Al Islam a kurdish muslim fundamentalist paramilitary organisation? Please - you have again failed to differentiate between Islamic fundamentalist 'genocide' and a secular despotic regime committing genocide. Iran is calling for the destruction of the state of Israel, not all jews everywhere all across the world. There are about 25000 jews in Iran itself FGS. I think they would have been mincemeat by now if Ahmedinejad was truly genocidal/anti-semitic.

You don't ignore the threats - that is rule number one - do you think I was suggesting that or something?

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Please don't try and nullify the significance of the deaths of my countrymen by shear arithmetic.

So what exactly DID happen to the Kurds in '88? and What exactly do they mean when the president of Iran calls for the destruction of Israel and all people that support it.

I have never claimed that I had a solution to any of this. I simply do not. I just refuse to accept the notion that it is best to ignore these threats and go home and we will be left alone.

The deaths of your fellow countrymen were tragic but don't play down the significance of the word genocide by trying to call the attacks anything nealy approaching genocide. It was murder pure and simple, not genocide.

Hmmm. Kurds. Muslims if I recall correctly. In fact - isn't Ansar Al Islam a kurdish muslim fundamentalist paramilitary organisation? Please - you have again failed to differentiate between Islamic fundamentalist 'genocide' and a secular despotic regime committing genocide. Iran is calling for the destruction of the state of Israel, not all jews everywhere all across the world. There are about 25000 jews in Iran itself FGS. I think they would have been mincemeat by now if Ahmedinejad was truly genocidal/anti-semitic.

You don't ignore the threats - that is rule number one - do you think I was suggesting that or something?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Quotes

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"Remove Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"If the West does not support Israel, this regime will be toppled. As it has lost its raison d' tre, Israel will be annihilated."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

One of their biggest leaders advocates GENOCIDE.....DO I really need to search for Bin Laden quotes now??

If you don't want to ignore the threats, and you don't want to fight the threat, then the only thing left is to succumb to the threat!! This is where we part company Cameronpoe.

lowing wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Quotes

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"Remove Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"If the West does not support Israel, this regime will be toppled. As it has lost its raison d' tre, Israel will be annihilated."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

One of their biggest leaders advocates GENOCIDE.....DO I really need to search for Bin Laden quotes now??

If you don't want to ignore the threats, and you don't want to fight the threat, then the only thing left is to succumb to the threat!! This is where we part company Cameronpoe.

Um, he never talks about killing anyone. He says the state should be removed etc many times, even referring to the regime in so many words, but never genocide.

I am sorry "DESTROYED" is not a synonym for "REMOVED" no matter how much you want it to be.

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Please don't try and nullify the significance of the deaths of my countrymen by shear arithmetic.

So what exactly DID happen to the Kurds in '88? and What exactly do they mean when the president of Iran calls for the destruction of Israel and all people that support it.

I have never claimed that I had a solution to any of this. I simply do not. I just refuse to accept the notion that it is best to ignore these threats and go home and we will be left alone.

The deaths of your fellow countrymen were tragic but don't play down the significance of the word genocide by trying to call the attacks anything nealy approaching genocide. It was murder pure and simple, not genocide.

Hmmm. Kurds. Muslims if I recall correctly. In fact - isn't Ansar Al Islam a kurdish muslim fundamentalist paramilitary organisation? Please - you have again failed to differentiate between Islamic fundamentalist 'genocide' and a secular despotic regime committing genocide. Iran is calling for the destruction of the state of Israel, not all jews everywhere all across the world. There are about 25000 jews in Iran itself FGS. I think they would have been mincemeat by now if Ahmedinejad was truly genocidal/anti-semitic.

You don't ignore the threats - that is rule number one - do you think I was suggesting that or something?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Quotes

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"Remove Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"If the West does not support Israel, this regime will be toppled. As it has lost its raison d' tre, Israel will be annihilated."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

One of their biggest leaders advocates GENOCIDE.....DO I really need to search for Bin Laden quotes now??

If you don't want to ignore the threats, and you don't want to fight the threat, then the only thing left is to succumb to the threat!! This is where we part company Cameronpoe.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-19 03:48:04)

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

No i do not defend corporate greed. not at all

The main deference for me domestically speaking is I am a true believer ( at the risk of sounding cliche'ish)
that in America you can be whatever you want to be, the opportunities are here!! I am a big fan of small govt. and more personal responsibility. I do not want or need the govt. involved in anything in my life except protecting me so I can pursue my LIFE my LIBERTY, and my HAPPINESS. Bush is doing what must be done to protect that freedom, and I support his efforts because to date there have been NO attacks since 911 and several foiled attempts. How on earth can you call that a bad thing??

I appreciate your comments about my job,however, I bounced back rather quickly and was not affected too much by it. Except for the fact that for now I am out of the field I love.

But beyond everyone's personal responsibility, there's a rol that must be taken by any goverment, and this administration missed its obligations.  It's a responsibility of the goverment not to cut taxes to such low levels that it spends more than it earns.  Worse, if you spend all your money in war issues and forget about domestic ones.

If we don't win this war, you are going to have REAL domestic issues to worry about.

What domestic issues?? I am smack in the middle of this crap and I found another job, am paying my bills, and living my life. How has this administration PERSONALLY affected your daily life?? As far as the defict goes, why are you worried about it, are YOU getting the monthly statement for it?

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Quotes

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"Remove Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"If the West does not support Israel, this regime will be toppled. As it has lost its raison d' tre, Israel will be annihilated."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

One of their biggest leaders advocates GENOCIDE.....DO I really need to search for Bin Laden quotes now??

If you don't want to ignore the threats, and you don't want to fight the threat, then the only thing left is to succumb to the threat!! This is where we part company Cameronpoe.

As jonsimon said in the above quotes he makes no reference to destroying an ethnicity, only a nation. As such, he isn't advocating genocide. It's like what the US is demanding in Iran except with gigantically more vehemence and bloodthirst. It's like this - if Israel gave back Palestine to the Palestinians he wouldn't bother trying to kill Israelis. Remember Israelis do not equal Jews and Jews do not equal Israelis. Genocide is directed against an ethnicity not a nation or a regime.

The only problem with this guys, is he is threatening to destroy an entire nation and ALL who support it if they don't leave. Israel has just as much right to exist as Iran. Do you honestly think Israel will pull down its flag because a terrorist told them to? If they did, do you not consider that negotiating with terrorists? Are you actually advocating bending to the terrorists will so no one gets hurt??
You really don't consider wiping a nation of Jews off the face of the earth, an advocation for genocide? The only way this man will get his way is by death and destruction, the Jews will never give up Israel.

You guys sound like you approve of his words and support him, as just misunderstood. He is a terrorist


What do you think will happen to those Jews in Iran the second he starts destroying Israel??

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-19 04:45:10)

ATG wrote:

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Please visit the links below
Excluding civilian murdered by soldiers during wartime these have got to be the most absurd executions of all time.
They are gay; hang them.
They brought Bibles to Saudi Arabia; behead them.
She went to classes to learn to read; shoot her.

This my friends, is a preview of life under Sharia ( that's Islamic Law, for you unschooled types ).
Islamic led governments such as those in Iran, Saudia Arabia, Niger, Pakistan, Afganistan, Eygpt and many others have put people to death for mundane acts such as those listed above.
What kind of animal would shoot a woman in the head for wanting to read?
What kind of man could put a noose around another mans neck because they don't like girls?
What kind of a government could sanction and carry out executions of people in this modern time for religious beliefs?
What kind of human fecal matter would destroy thousand year old statues of Budha because it wasn't an Islamic icon.

The answer to all of the above is of course, Muslim.

9-11 and terrorism aside, these are all primary reasons why the West is at war with Islam. Make no mistake, these people will not stop until you either convert to Islam and live under Sharia as a second class citizen, or die.
The United States can't say it, but I can call a spade a spade. This is a crusade, and we must finish it this time. This ideology must be crushed before, like a poisonous cancer, it spreads
We are at war with Islam, and I say it's a fight we need to win.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/22/102249/246
http://therhema.blogspot.com/2006/04/ex … di_11.html
http://www.rawa.org/murder-w.htm

EDIT, I have known many great people who are ethnically Muslim. This is why it's so sad for me; I know these people.

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

As jonsimon said in the above quotes he makes no reference to destroying an ethnicity, only a nation. As such, he isn't advocating genocide. It's like what the US is demanding in Iran except with gigantically more vehemence and bloodthirst. It's like this - if Israel gave back Palestine to the Palestinians he wouldn't bother trying to kill Israelis. Remember Israelis do not equal Jews and Jews do not equal Israelis. Genocide is directed against an ethnicity not a nation or a regime.

The only problem with this guys, is he is threatening to destroy an entire nation and ALL who support it if they don't leave. Israel has just as much right to exist as Iran. Do you honestly think Israel will pull down its flag because a terrorist told them to? If they did, do you not consider that negotiating with terrorists? Are you actually advocating bending to the terrorists will so no one gets hurt??
You really don't consider wiping a nation of Jews off the face of the earth, an advocation for genocide? The only way this man will get his way is by death and destruction, the Jews will never give up Israel.

You guys sound like you approve of his words and support him, as just misunderstood. He is a terrorist


What do you think will happen to those Jews in Iran the second he starts destroying Israel??

Again, jews and Israel, different things.  I have jewish blood so I'm not defending muslims, but I think Palestine and Israel have both right to be there, now how the hell do you solve the problem?  You can't.  If you think about a solution, well send it to UN, coz nobody knows how to deal with this neverending war.  Do you really think that this will stop until Israel is "removed".  They'll not stop.  Israel unfortunely has 2 options: stay and live at war forever or leave the place and rearm the country anywhere else.  It sounds brutal and unfair but it's how things are, and the extremists won't change, assume it.  They're extremists.  You can kill them, but there'll be more and more.  If they kill you they won, if you kill them they won too.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Again, jews and Israel, different things.  I have jewish blood so I'm not defending muslims, but I think Palestine and Israel have both right to be there, now how the hell do you solve the problem?  You can't.  If you think about a solution, well send it to UN, coz nobody knows how to deal with this neverending war.  Do you really think that this will stop until Israel is "removed".  They'll not stop.  Israel unfortunely has 2 options: stay and live at war forever or leave the place and rearm the country anywhere else.  It sounds brutal and unfair but it's how things are, and the extremists won't change, assume it.  They're extremists.  You can kill them, but there'll be more and more.  If they kill you they won, if you kill them they won too.

I will agree with that.

Let me pose a hypothetical at you. Lets say Israel is dismantaled, and we bent to the will of the terrorists. Do you really think it ends there? Do you really think Islamic radicals won't continue there attacks on the world?
If not, where, exactly, do you plan on dawing a line in the sand and say NO MORE??

Lowing why do keep referring to Israel as 'we'? You are on a completely different wavelength to a lot of Americans and most of Europe there.

Last edited by lowing (2006-08-19 05:11:56)