BF2S Forums 1.4 A no medic option ;)

Well, given that I know that this thread is basically more for entertainment than seriousness, I'm still gonna have to go with my original post on the other thread that spawned the existence of this one.  Take note of my bold print:

TrueArchon wrote:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah...

Claymores are pussy weapons, AND...

Bombers shouldn't be able to reload their ordinance so easily on a runway flyby, AND...

Medics shouldn't have the ability to constantly heal themselves, AND...

Support shouldn't be able to grenade spam and reload so easily, AND...

Chopper pilots shouldn't be able to solo-TV missile and pilot at the same time, AND...

Engineer-armor teams shouldn't be able to repair each other by sitting next to each other, AND...

AND...

AND...

AND...

So, have I stepped on anyone else's preferred sissy way of whoring points yet?

Honestly, this is just a whine-fest here, and some people need to realize that IT'S A GAME, and that every virtual death you gain is not a personal attack on your soul, or who you are as a person.

However, here's a little bit of serious discussion from Bolvis:

BolvisOculus wrote:

Well, the main gripe against snipers is the fact that they throw claymores around as if they were candy.  And, as pussy as running to the nearest cover to like your wounds is, I find that it pales in comparison to the free kills that a sniper gets with his claymore.

Also, yes revives may get you a lot of points but they also help the team.  Each time someone is successfully revived (that is, not killed seconds later) it saves a ticket for the team.  Where as snipers may get a lot of kills, but most don't help the team at all.  They kill someone, get the points and then a medic revives them and nothing is lost.

As much as claymores appear to give free kills, there are still issues that still need to be considered in the overall picture.

1.  Claymores with "Mine FF ON" limit the capability of "farming" free kills.  Sure, most server don't have this option set this way, but that's not to give the snipers or engineers any extra leeway more than it prevents unnecessary TK punishes for ignorance from a teammate.

2.  A sniper only gets 2 claymores, barring an opportunity to get resupply.  A medic is only limited in healing himself by a short time frame. 

3.  Snipers "farm" points by making kills, while limiting deaths.  A medic, on the other hand, "farms" points by running around reviving teammates without limit.  Honestly, and I'm not much an exception to this tendency, but most medics usually have more deaths than kills, but a huge amount of teampoints.  This often brings about a negative feeling against medic players that revive teammates who subsequently die again (and possibly again, again, again...) from the same threat that killed them previously, instead of the medic taking out the threat that killed their teammate in the first place.

4.  Snipers, with their claymores on a "mine FF off" server, can contribute to the team more than what most people think, by placing claymores to protect flags.  Many people consider the "flag defense point" gained as little consolation for team play, but they don't take into consideration the ticket bleed that results when a flag remains in friendly hands.  A well placed claymore, or two, can deter most flag capturing enemies, and at the very least, warn the sniper that someone (or a bunch of someones) are attempting to take a flag.  A medic can't do that same job, while being somewhere else.

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So, my point is...

Yes, I agree that medics are useful as playable kits (as all of them are), but a medic can't fill all the roles that other kits possess (including snipers).  In the end, the concept of a "no -insert kit here- option" is completely rediculous in the general reasoning presented by some people.  In fact, most people's negative opinion toward the kits is generally not based upon sound reasoning, but pure, individual bias.

LT.Victim wrote:

Stfu, your just jealous cause you cant Bunny-hop around and heal yourself..

LMAO
so true

This thread is plain stupid, and yeah I play alotta medic, not for the revive points, but because the ak-101 will rip you apart in my hands..

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

Hi!

This is my counter-thread to the retarded no snipers option thread.
It's a seperate thread because we don't wanna get confused when posting our hatemail and I think after so many threads about how evil the lame snipers are the medics deserve their own thread.

Snipers get so much hate,let's channel this into another direction,shall we?

I think there should be a no-medics-option in 1.4 because if you are really honest - medics are the biggest pussies of the game.

Most of them are Karkandwhores and just pointfarm,but there are a lot of classes which do that.

But medics are pussies in general,hit one and he's pronespamming and bunnyhopping(even worse than some snipers) into safety so he can heal himself in a matter of seconds.
That's the general pussyness of the Medic.
And if you compare Assault with Medic - the Assault doesn't have much more firepower,at least not enough that it justifies the "theoretically" unlimited health of the Medic.
I already can imagine the highly-anticipated infantry only option - medics over medics and pointfarming even worse than on Karkand.

So,let's sum up:
Overpowered weapons for the class,
cowardly run-and-heal-attitude,
the ability to easily rack up points without any combat skill
,etc.,etc..

And yet,a lot of medics are the biggest whiners(especially against claymores,that's where their healthpack doesn't help) of the game.

So,how can anyone be a bigger pussy than by playing medic?

Let the drama begin....

You spent 112+ hours a medic so i guess your a big pussy like the rest of us medics .

No GL, no body armour...

You see, both Medics and Snipers are pussies. I know snipers get annoyed at medics becuase unless they get a headshot they will never kill a medic becuase he can just healhimself instantly. I guess medics are worse than snipers. They get some of the best guns in the game, grenades + loads of point abilities + basically infinite health. This is why you get all the high rankers being medic, so they can heal themselves and come back with nades and a G36E and wipe the entire squad out with all that diving throwing nades/medpacks/infinite health crap.

You need to get those headshots. I usually make them pay by shoving a GL on their face when someone comes to revive, 2 more free kills.

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

Hi!

I already can imagine the highly-anticipated infantry only option - medics over medics and point farming even worse than on Karkand.

This I agree with 100%.  I hate the idea of infantry only for 2 reasons. 

First is the fact that the BF series has always been a little different in the way that it has big open maps and vehicles too.  Now the infantry whores, who are mostly medics are getting their way and so we are going to end up with BF becoming an big open plan infantry game.  We may aswell call it 'Counter Strike: City Maps' and stick the game in the huge pile marked 'Generic FPS Crap'.  Yawn!

This brings me on to my second point which was covered by the original poster.  Once 1.4 is out and the 'infantry only' option included (as it will be) then I full expect to see Karkand 24/7 servers everywhere with 64 medics running about like headless chickens.  You cannot say I am wrong, after all what would the point be in playing AT or engineer? 

OK, so some might play support, sniper or spec-ops but I doubt there will be many.  Whats the point in playing spec-ops?  Just about all your C4 is good for is destroying commander assets and you will lose a gun fight with a medic 9 times out of 10. 

Then you have the sniper.  OK, fine if you can get a headshot every time but if you don't the medic will be able to hide and heal himself with one of the 30+ medic packs that will no doubt be nearby.  You'll soon get bored of that.

So support may be the only other option.  There are benefits to it but I still think the majority of players will go for the medic because of the point gain.

I for one will not be playing on any 'infantry only' servers.  As for the medic.  I agree, they do moan and whine more than most.  They are the laughing stock of the battlefield with their suicidal and pathetically desperate efforts to get one more revive.  I hate them when I am revived infront of the tank that just killed me.  I hate them when they revive me when I have no ammo.  I hate seeing one bunny hop little a f**king moron with a med-pack in their hand.

Having said all that, when I do need healing or reviving the medic is my best friend.

Doggehspike wrote:

Infantry only will probably be made up off medics snipers and support, snipers to spam claymores, medics to heal themselves and support for unlimited ammo.

Dude, i think your right. Without vehicles there is no balance. no need for that AT, Engineer or Spec Ops class anymore, might as well take them out too, there all useless without vehicles. Everyone just run around as medic/support and point farm.

Bf2 has gone to hell in a hand bag, and the new IO mode proves EA/DIce listens to whiners.

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

Pubic wrote:

No GL, no body armour...

And that's the perfect excuse for having virtually unlimited health?

The body armour keeps you alive longer,yes....for about half a second.But for having this you are very slow.
And the GL has a smaller blast radius than the grenades,it's not much better than handgrenades(and in SF the assault only gets grenades too,on some maps).

Every kit has its drawback,except the medic.

Snipers are pretty much in a world of hurt when in close combat and depend on ammo and health.

SpecOps have the ability to destroy vehicles - but no bodyarmour and a weak carbine(weak compared to assault rifle).And they depend on ammo/health aswell.

Anti-tanks can also destroy vehicles(although 3 hits are ridiculous) and are great in closecombat with the DAO-12 and the body armour but are literally lame,waaay too slow.And they depend on team mates for long range engagements.

Engineers are waaay too slow and are useless on mid-to-longrange too.

Support is also very slow and depends on health - only real bonus is ammo up the wazooh.

The assault class has no real drawback for its purpose if the medics weren't equally heavily armed.
Assault should have the most powerful rifles of the game because they completely lack teamwork abilities.

Now the pussy medic depends on nobody - they have all the health they ever need with nearly no recharge time,can revive each other and have no real range limit(only snipers can shoot farther)with their weapons which are as powerful as the assaultclass weapons.
If that isn't overpowered I don't know what is.

Here are some ideas how to balance the class:

1 healthpack at a time,increase recharge time so that they can't do their pussy run-and-heal-limbo over and over again.

Smaller weapon like MP5,MP7 or something similar - if it is all about teamwork with this class you don't need an assault rifle,a PDW(personal defence weapon) is sufficient for doing your job and defending yourself if necessary.

Shock paddles don't work anymore when victim suffered from:
Death by headshot
Death by shrapnel (all explosives)
Death by knife

Shock paddles run out of battery power and need to be recharged either by ammo-bag or supply-crate.

Let all the medics start their bitching now.
If anybody thinks these ideas are ridiculous - there's nothing more ridiculous than the claymorewhiners' demands of making the claymores literally useless again.

All that bullshit from a guy who played over 100 hours as a medic so dont give us crap you dont like medics otherwise why play it for that long ???


Medic 112:29:51 3,657 3,897 0.9384

Your a pussy just like the rest of us medic whores so dont preach shit.

Last edited by Knight`UK (2006-08-18 06:20:49)

Knight`UK wrote:

All that bullshit from a guy who played over 100 hours as a medic so dont give us crap you dont like medics otherwise why play it for that long ???

Medic 112:29:51 3,657 3,897 0.9384

Your a pussy just like the rest of us medic whores so dont preach shit.

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

Jbrar wrote:

you know what's funny Mj.Blindfisch, medic is ur 2nd most playd kit (i'm pretty certain). So ur a pussy urself. besides that, Medics were created by EA to introduce MORE teamwork into the BF series.

Yes,you are right.
988 hours total,624 hours as sniper,112 hours as medic.Total pussy.

Besides,it's just pure logic:
I want to have fun with an assault rifle,I prefer grenades rather than the gl and I get the pussy-bonus.

And teamwork is not subject of the discussion,if the medic-class were about teamwork they would have the MP5 or a weak carbine.

So,anything constructive you've got to add to my "bullshit" or do you just want to repeat your immature "You are a pussy yourself"over and over again?

Last edited by Mj.Blindfisch (2006-08-18 06:41:10)

Knight`UK wrote:

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

So,anything constructive you've got to add to my "bullshit" or do you just want to repeat your immature "You are a pussy yourself"over and over again?

Being a medic earnt you about 10,000+ points with your kills,revives and heals so why bitch about us ?? you made yourself look a cunt by making this thread .You should have removed your stats link before posting and flameing/whineing agaisnt medics.

Yeah,just what I expected.
BTW,you just made yourself look like a stupid retard who can't comprehend your own language in writing.

Knight`UK wrote:

4,998 claymore kills you have .Is that really skill ?? no i dont think so its easy kills and point farming just like the medic so please stfu and post other crap .

4,998 claymore kills in almost 700 hours as a sniper.Pointfarming?On Wake?

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

This is not a Sniper vs. Medics discussion,this is a "Medics are pussies in general and overpowered" discussion.

Last edited by Mj.Blindfisch (2006-08-18 06:59:23)

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

Knight`UK wrote:

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

So,anything constructive you've got to add to my "bullshit" or do you just want to repeat your immature "You are a pussy yourself"over and over again?

Being a medic earnt you about 10,000+ points with your kills,revives and heals so why bitch about us ?? you made yourself look a cunt by making this thread .You should have removed your stats link before posting and flameing/whineing agaisnt medics.

Yeah,just what I expected.
BTW,you just made yourself look like a stupid retard who can't comprehend your own language in writing.

Look you fuckwit your the one who went out of his way to make a post flameing and whineing agaisnt people who play medic and you dont like it one you get shit back .Then sir i ask who is the retard there??