BF2S Forums Evolution theory can be called a fact now.

Yeah, micro-evolution has been proven. Common ancestry hasnt.

alpinestar wrote:

It is relatively very new discovery in reverse engineering the evolution, this discovery is one of the biggest in our lifetimes.
Aug. 7, 2006 - University of Utah scientists have shown how evolution works by reversing the process, reconstructing a 530-million-year-old gene by combining key portions of two modern mouse genes that descended from the archaic gene.

http://www.unews.utah.edu/p/?r=073106-1
(large pictures of lab mice on the website)

I think it is now safe to say that evolution is a fact ?

GO U OF U!!!!!

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Oh God [ ]

Here we go again, how about teach both and let people decide for themselves omg why is this such a big deal.  And how does REMOVING a gene from a MOUSE make EVOLUTION for HUMANS a FACT???

Waiting.

I do not think they allow genetic testing on humans as far as my memory recalls, common sense and also I wouldn't want to see it but I am sure if you were the test subject during this discovery you would look like a monkey with iguana like limbs

Last edited by alpinestar (2006-08-15 14:51:35)

Bertster7 wrote:

It doesn't - the title of this thread is somewhat misleading. It is, however, important evidence of how long term evolution works. More work along the same lines may well lead to the eventual proof - many years from now - of how humans evolved from ape-like mammals and what we were before that.

Yeah I know that, making sure you guys are on the same page!!!

I find it hard to believe that a bunch of simple organism evolved into something as complex as a sea anemone:

it's all the same, it all took a loooooooong time, and it's a slow progression from simple to complex, and sometimes back to simple.  ( evolution side )
all forms of life are astounding, considering this planet had none 3.8-4 billion years ago

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-08-15 22:06:32)

Unfreaking believable, two posts that actually make )*(@#*(@ sense, and that are not just discrimantly dismantling an opposite theory/idea.  OMFG, thank you both!!!

+1

Last edited by AlbertWesker[RE] (2006-08-15 22:36:31)

Pubic wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

Liar. I hunted the dinosaurs to extinction.

I'm surprised it came from the University of Utah though. While I was out in Salt Lake the place had a reputation to be slightly religiously skewed, not nearly as much as BYU though.

Isn't Utah the mormon capital of the world?

Yes, pretty much so.  They migrated there from Massachusetts I think because people were pissed off that they were polygamists.  They kinda frown on that type of thing now, though. Anyway, anyone got anything to add to this topic that isn't about Mormons?

deadawakeing wrote:

is their any hope left for religion?

if this is true, then I guess religion is complete bullshit right?

Wow, you do know how to read right??

So what exactly implies that religion is bullshit??  I mean thats cool if thats your opinion, because I can respect that, but to try to tell someone else that their belief is false.  Hmmm?

snuten_i_sjoholmen wrote:

Of course evolution theory is correct.. What did you think? That god designs everything? Animals that live in cold places get much fur to protect them and so on.. Its so simple to understand.

Don't know if you're talking to me, I never stated it was false, and that is a really simple statement that doesn't really back anything up more than yeah duh, but how does the disprove anything? It only proves something.  How do you know that God didn't create Evolutionism just so we could converse about it here???

messfeeder wrote:

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

Evolutionism

LOL I'll have to remember that term.

And how is that wrong???


(Dictionary.com)
ev·o·lu·tion·ism   Pronunciation Key  (v-lsh-nzm, v-)
n.

   1. A theory of biological evolution, especially that formulated by Charles Darwin.
   2. Advocacy of or belief in biological evolution.

messfeeder wrote:

mKmalfunction wrote:

Yeah, evolution is a fact. Everything evolves, anyone can see that. But I still refuse to think we're "Highly evolved apes."

We share DNA with them, but according to something I read, we share even more with dogs.

Basically, some of our "building blocks" are shared with other creatures, but that doesn't mean 600000 years ago we were apes. Nor does this disprove an existence of 'God' or a higher power.

Well put.  Does it make some people feel good to call others ignorant?

And if evolution is simulated in a laboratory, then I think that would point even more to intelligent design.

BTW, I believe that all things evolve, as it is obvious that things adjust to their environment.  However, I think it is crazy to say that man came from monkey [or relative/ancestor of monkey! God, you effin get the damn point!].  Inside we are more similar to pigs than monkies.  There is a difference between individual adjustments within a species and species evolving into other species.  And why the hell are monkies still around but the the closer "in-between" ancestor is gone?  Wouldn't they be more common?  Anyway, I see a lot of stretching of facts when people try to link us to other creatures.  I think that it takes more faith to believe that everything magically appeared out of nothing than to believe that everything was intelligently designed by an omnipotent creator.

My $0.02.

evolution can't be simulated in a labratory because it takes too long. Inteligent design is a silly idea.

Why are apes still around and there are no in between stages still around? That is at least a simple question to answer. It is because humans evolved from a common primate ancestor and different spieces of ape took different (less successful) evolutionary branches. Less evolved examples of man HAVE been found, just not for every stage. The in between stages would not be around today because they have evolved into proper humans - in the same way that you would not find less evolved primates around today, apes today have evolved just as much as humans have, but in a different way.

There is so much evidence showing that man evolved from early primates, that belief in any sort of intelligent design, for which there is no evidence at all is silly. I believe it is possible for there to be some sort of higher power that set the Big Bang and the events suceeding it in motion, although it is unlikely - but there is no evidence to suggest otherwise, so who knows.

What is KNOWN, is that creation as depicted in the bible or any other religious text is, at least literally, wrong.

Wow, they can go back 530 million years with gene construction and prove that mice couldn't blink when air was blown in their face. They can go back 10 million years and prove humans were shorter too. That doesn't prove that we originally came from bacteria. When they can recontruct the genes of a mouse and come up with a fish, then I'll be truly shocked.

Last edited by M1-Lightning (2006-08-16 09:02:46)

Erkut.hv wrote:

M1-Lightning wrote:

Wow, they can go back 530 million years with gene construction and prove that mice couldn't blink when air was blown in their face. They can go back 10 million years and prove humans were shorter too. That doesn't prove that we originally came from bacteria. When they can recontruct the genes of a mouse and come up with a fish, then I'll be truly shocked.

We can do all that, but can't cure cancer?

Shocking isn't it?