BF2S Forums Is the F2000 as strong as the M203?

Hidden&Aiming, why is that your name when you and your stats say that you're neither hidden, nor aiming?

I'm actually amazed that you have spent so much time with the 'nade launcher, I'm not critical of it or anything, I'm just surprised you havn't gotten bored with it yet. I suppose there is satisfaction in the repeated blast kill. Since you have so much experience with it, I'll pass saying you go into the "N00b-Tube" class, as I'm pretty sure you have enough skills to drop a bomb on someone from quite a way away. In saying that, If I see you on a server, I will shoot you from about a K away with the Sniper rifle before you can come up and blast me.

And just asking, but don't you find it fun to shoot and kill someone with a weak(er) weapon. I think you will find satisfaction in doing that too.

Last edited by Tyferra (2005-11-28 15:44:28)

Hidden&Aiming wrote:

I did choose Assault, not Associal worker class!

Can you define the bold word please?

kilroy0097 wrote:

There are those that use the Grenade Launcher attachment to clear rooms, take out entrenched enemy, fire into large groups of  infantry, take out vehicles, etc.

Then there are those that use the Grenade Launcher as their primary killing weapon in all situation near or far regardless of number of enemy merely because it kills with one hit and does not require dodging, aiming and firing profficiency.

There is the correct way of using the weapon according to its common usage in the real world and then there is the noob tubeing way of using it which only exists in BF2.

I don't care if you use every single weapon in the arsenal to its fullest abilities. Do what you want as it's your game as much as it's mine. However I am still going to call it noob tubing and in my mind I'm still going to rank it some place between Dolphin Diving and Bunny Hopping.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Im not fond of the so-called n00b tubing, but in all fairness, I was tubing on a couple of maps today with my F2000 and I definately see how much easier the game is to rack up points with it.

Personally, however, I like a challenge and the satisfaction of being able to use many different weapons than just one easy kill weapon.  But, to each his own.

And yes, I agree, it seems the nade launcher on the F2000 is a bit weaker and less accurate than the others, given the fact I have barely used the others.

Tyferra wrote:

Hiddedn&Aiming, why is that your name when you and your stats say that you're neither hidden, nor aiming?

I'm actually amazed that you have spent so much time with the 'nade launcher, I'm not critical of it or anything, I'm just surprised you havn't gotten board with it yet. I suppose there is satisfaction in the repeated blast kill. Since you have so much experience with it, I'll pass saying you go into the "N00b-Tube" class, as I'm pretty sure you have enough skills to drop a bomb on someone from quite a way away. In saying that, If I see you on a server, I will shoot you from about a K away with the Sniper rifle before you can come up and blast me.

And just asking, but don't you find it fun to shoot and kill someone with a weak(er) weapon. I think you will find satisdfaction in doing that too.

But Tyferra, if you killed Hidden&Aiming from far enough away that he couldn't hit you with the Noob tube, you would be using t3h H@X!!

And I agree with Kilroy. I'm cool with using it every once in a while to kill a jeep or clear a room, but always using it even when it's one on one just shows that you're a weak player.

ApathyCrusade wrote:

You're manipulating the game so you always win.

Yeah, report that to to EA and have them deleteted my account please. (I feel so guilty. )

Tyferra wrote:

If I see you on a server, I will shoot you from about a K away with the Sniper rifle before you can come up and blast me.

1. I'm pretty good at spotting snipers and it isn't so hard to take them out with single shot mode.
2. How the hell are you supposed to hit me when the only way I move is hopping around like the goddamn Easter bunny?

MurrayP wrote:

LOL hiddenandaiming... your not even 2-1 with it... if its so good, why cant you get 2 kills-per-death with it?

You see my number one map? Happens often enough that there is someone shooting at me in a small corner.
So most of those deaths are selfkills. Useless but happens...

I witnessed the most incredible thing the other day.  I was wandering around Warlord last night as an Engineer with the 7-shot shotgun (My new FOTM, that wep is a blast) when I spotted an assault with his back to me.  I fired one shot at him which hit, but didn't kill him.  Oops! Forgot to reload before and that was my last bullet, so rather than doing the smart thing and pulling out the pistol I backed around the corner again and went prone while I was reloading figuring he didn't see where I had come from.

Then just a second later came the most amazing thing I've seen yet in this game.  Here comes the assault around the corner midflight, prone, looking right at me. Dead.  Nade right in my face ,  The look on my face being witness to my first ever strafing-dolphin-tubing must have been one of pure shock-and-awe.

Needless to say, I admired this wonderful display so much that I proceeded to choose the Sniper kit and spent the rest of the round following this guy around.  I was hit #1 fan!  By the end of the round it was Jodah3 - 8, N00bt00b - 1 (did you know that you can actually toss a hand grenade from the roof of the building just north of the middle flag over the fence onto the flag thats just inside the palace compound? -- best of the 8 kills by far)

Anyways, moral of the story, don't complain, just get even.  I have no complaints against the "n00btube", just don't come complaining when you draw undue attention because of it.

Last edited by Jodah3 (2005-11-28 16:31:56)

Since people who use the GL as a noob tube don't seem to understand it. Let me explain. in the real work grenades for grenade launcher are designed so that they have to travel spinning without stopping in the air for about 15 meters before they will explode. this is a safety feature so that people don't kill themselves. Other modern games that have GLs such as the Delta Force Series and Join operation games by novalogic are a good example. They use this real world feature so that if the grenade doesn't travel about 15-20 meters it wont explode. If Dice was to code this into the game you wouldn't hear as many people complain about getting hit with a grenade.

Why? because at that distance they have a chance to take you out, but at the unrealistic range of 2 feet they have no chance and the weapon wouldn't even work. Honostly the only complaint i have with Bf2 is that they did not put a min range on the GLs like in real life. I use the GL and last i checked i was ranked lik 35 or 40 K overall with it. But i very rarely use it at less than abotu 10 meters unless someone surprises me and i have it out. (twitch reaction.), Group of infantry, or i run out of bullets in my clip and its quicker to switch to gl than reload a clip.

Now noobtoobers listen up. People are not complaining about getting naded so much as that you are doing it at pointblank range. If Dice put a minimum distance on the GLs like realworld weapons. (since BF2 was supposed to contain a fair amount of realism while still being a game) this would balance it out a bit more. Yes people would still complain about noobtoobers, but it would be far less than now. And the ones that did would just be whining asshats/

So to sum up my arguement.

Good: Useing grenade launcher at 10-15 meters or more is just fine. Shorter distances are fine when agaisnt groups of infantry or a few other instances.

Bad: Noobtubing is using it exclusively at pointblank range especially when you kill yourself repeatedly doing it. Noobtubers are also the kind of people that if they miss with the GL at pointblank it never occurs to them to switch to their main gun and use bullets instead they try and reload the weapon to use it again at point blank.

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Anyway now on to topic.

I prefer the g36c or e over the f2000. but as to the grenade launchers. The m203 has a bigger blast radius but less accurate. Atleast i'm more accurate with the F2000GL. Others may be different. It's like anything amatter of oppion. I know people who have sf and have the g36e unlocked but still think the m16 is better and so use it. I think the m36e is so i use it instead.

I've seen some deviation stats that say this or that weapon is more/less accurate. But found that in practice in game thats not always the case because those studies can't factor in human factor.

So in my oppion m203=less accurate more explosive radius f2000gl equal less power  more accuracy. But when you consider those implication they are even.

Why? because with the f2000 you are more likely to actually hit the person with the grenade but the m203 you will hit next to them. Either is a kill because of the different blast radiuses.

So though they have different stats when you get down to it they are the same, against infantry anyway.

Last edited by Blankwindow (2005-11-28 16:51:14)

Tyferra wrote:

Homeschtar, why would I be using, as you so call it, t3h H@X? Sniper rifles have a longer range than GLs.

I was being sarcastic.

H&A you may not have seen it but it happens. I've done it more than once on 32 player servers. Though it wasn't easy i had to basically always be in the thick of it. I didn't play as a longer sniper i was working with a full squad and rarely got any kills past about 150 meters because it was all close work. Basically i had a high score because of the combonation of kills, kill assistic, and flag points. (Captue, Defend, Nuetral, ect). I think i hd about 50-70 points the several times i've done it.

though without the 5 guys i was working with it would not have been possible. (squad was 1 meds, 1 support, 2 assault, and 1 antitank, and myself as sniper. The medic stayed back out of the fighting most of the time just kept healing and reviving us. I think he ended with like 40-50 team points and only had like 3 or 4 kills.


edit: oh and i only got about 15-20 kills most of the points were flag or  kill assist points, but it worked out.

Last edited by Blankwindow (2005-11-28 21:21:42)