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PRiMACORD wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:

You give him too much credit, He does not distinguish between Zionist and Jews.
Your quotes tell a different story, good job not proving your point.
"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets," he said. "(It) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet."

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said.  http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

Jews, not Zionists...
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You know what the funniest fact is in all this, Is that some of the Palestinian Leadership actually recognizes, Israel has the right to exist, and disagrees with his comments.

Saeb Erekat, the chief Palestinian negotiator and member of the Palestinian Legislative Council, stated: "Palestinians recognise the right of the state of Israel to exist and I reject his comments. What we need to be talking about is adding the state of Palestine to the map, and not wiping Israel from the map.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ah … and_Israel
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated. He also appeared to again question whether the Holocaust really happened.
He's right, Israel is a permanent threat to the Middle-East. Israel's occupation of foreign land is indisputable proof of this.
If in his opinion what happened in WWII was not a holocaust, its his opinion. Most Americans also don't consider a holocaust the murdering of thousands of Japanese at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and condemning generations more to the effects of radioactive exposure.

|AIA| DAS wrote:

"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."
If the Zionist regime doesn't resolve the terrorists problems in Israel, it probably will fall sooner or later. Not saying that there will be civil war in Israel, just that the Israeli people will eventually call on other leaders.

|AIA| DAS wrote:

Ahmadinejad provoked a world outcry in October when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

On Friday, he repeated his previous line on the Holocaust, saying: "If such a disaster is true, why should the people of this region pay the price? Why does the Palestinian nation have to be suppressed and have its land occupied?"
Quoted from...http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/14/D8GVSUC0H.html
That is a excellent point. Why do the Palestinian people pay the price?

|AIA| DAS wrote:

You give him too much credit, He does not distinguish between Zionist and Jews.
Granted that may be true. But what leader of today deserve credit? Bush? Blair? Come on, the guy is just as good (or as bad) a his western colleagues. He's just on e other side.

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|AIA| DAS wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:

You give him too much credit, He does not distinguish between Zionist and Jews.
Your quotes tell a different story, good job not proving your point.
"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets," he said. "(It) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet."

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said.  http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

Jews, not Zionists...
So saying the word "Jew" means you hate them?

I don't see him saying kill all the jews.
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PRiMACORD wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

Your quotes tell a different story, good job not proving your point.
"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets," he said. "(It) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet."

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said.  http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

Jews, not Zionists...
So saying the word "Jew" means you hate them?

I don't see him saying kill all the jews.
No You asked to show him not distinguishing between Zionist and Jews.  He talks of destroying Israel, and not recognizing Israel as a state, and he mentions that everyone who caused the 'mythelogical attrocites' (his ideolog, not mine) should give the Jews a place to live instead of Palestine.

No one said he said KILL All Jews, Just the ones in Israel.
Hey Primacord, Why don't you pick one arguement at a time, you're confusing yourself.

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|AIA| DAS wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:


"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets," he said. "(It) deals very severely with those who deny this myth but does not do anything to those who deny God, religion, and the prophet."

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said.  http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

Jews, not Zionists...
So saying the word "Jew" means you hate them?

I don't see him saying kill all the jews.
No You asked to show him not distinguishing between Zionist and Jews.  He talks of destroying Israel, and not recognizing Israel as a state, and he mentions that everyone who caused the 'mythelogical attrocites' (his ideolog, not mine) should give the Jews a place to live instead of Palestine.

No one said he said KILL All Jews, Just the ones in Israel.
Hey Primacord, Why don't you pick one arguement at a time, you're confusing yourself.
""Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

Look, he refers to the government as a Zionist regime. He uses the word Zionist when refering to the, gasp, government.

He does distinguish between Zionists and Jews.

Try again.
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said.  http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

Jews, not Zionists...
This is a different speech, he is not saying Jews should wiped from the earth, he is stating a very good point: Why didn't Europe compensate the Jews with a piece of their own land?
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Either way doesn't it mean WAR?

David vrs. Goliath, or some such thing.
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Why didn't they give the Jews land?  Because acoring to them and the Balfour declaration, Israel is legally the property of the jewish people.  Learn your history - the land rights, as much as they are, belong to the jews according to international law
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Sabertooth71 wrote:

Why didn't they give the Jews land?  Because acoring to them and the Balfour declaration, Israel is legally the property of the jewish people.  Learn your history - the land rights, as much as they are, belong to the jews according to international law
Because according to them it belongs to them???? Yeah, great argument.

The Balfour declaration???? Coe on, was issued by the British govermant, like they had any say on what to do with other countries territory. But they were the superpower at the time, so I guess they could...

And besides, I found this very interesing line of the Balfour declaration: ""nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"

You should dig a little deeper than that before claiming tol know history.

EDIT: Minor corrections

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EVieira wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said.  http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

Jews, not Zionists...
This is a different speech, he is not saying Jews should wiped from the earth, he is stating a very good point: Why didn't Europe compensate the Jews with a piece of their own land?
It was under British mandate at the time....They did...
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

EVieira wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel," Ahmadinejad said.  http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

Jews, not Zionists...
This is a different speech, he is not saying Jews should wiped from the earth, he is stating a very good point: Why didn't Europe compensate the Jews with a piece of their own land?
It was under British mandate at the time....They did...
Check the post above, about the Balfour declaration
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel. In a speech during an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders, Ahmadinejad also called for an immediate halt to fighting in Lebanon between Israel and the Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/03/AR2006080300629.html

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said today the solution to the Middle East crisis was to destroy Israel, state-media reported.
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.a … =y9yxz948x
Sorry, both of those are journalists interpreting his statements.  You give me a statement in which he either calls for the destruction of Israel, or declares that all Jews are Zionists, and you'll have something.
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|AIA| DAS wrote:

It was under British mandate at the time....They did...
It was under their mandate but it was not their land.  There is a difference.
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heard from the same piece of news from a Israeli friend who serves in their special forces, and he said Iranians were found fighting side by side with the Hizbollah.
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mikeshw wrote:

heard from the same piece of news from a Israeli friend who serves in their special forces, and he said Iranians were found fighting side by side with the Hizbollah.
So there are Iranian simpathizers of the Hezbollah? Oh, what a surprise. Hezbollah recruits Iranians, so what? Whats the point? I'm sure you'll find plenty of Syrians and Saudis and a just about any Arab nationality within their ranks. Heck, I just remembered: A Brazillian was killed among the Hezbollah ranks these past weeks, it was on the news around here. So I guess you think Lula is out to destroy Israel too now...
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I agree thats it's niether surprising, nor without precedent.
My question was, do you think its true or is it b.s?

I say, well duh, it's no surprise.
And no biggy. There is all sorts of Americans serving with the IDF.
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Indeed, it also doesn't say whether they are current members: they may be leftovers from the group's formation.

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