Poll

Was the new plane Hi-Jack plot bullshit from GWB administration

Yes26%26% - 24
No73%73% - 68
Total: 92
Fat guy in speedos
Banned
+5|6712
Haven't anyone noticed lately that they try to get people scared with such news as Path train tunnel plot unfoiled,
mass murder Plane hi-jack unfolded. I sense that it was planted in a way.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6896

Fat guy in speedos wrote:

Haven't anyone noticed lately that they try to get people scared with such news as Path train tunnel plot unfoiled,
mass murder Plane hi-jack unfolded. I sense that it was planted in a way.
I'd say it was more likely to be bullshit from the Blair administration, if bullshit it turns out to be.
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|6993|Chicago.
Are you kidding me!?

It was not a lie. And I severly doubt it is a lie. This was a legitimate threat. And it has been taken care of.
eagles1106
Member
+269|6826|Marlton, New Jersey.
oh god, here comes the flaming and heavy arguements...

Last edited by eagles1106 (2006-08-11 17:38:56)

lordgeno
Enemy Bush Spotted!
+18|6956|asshole of the planet, NM, USA
I still have alittle faith in our government, and the governments of our allies.  Besides if it is bullshit, Bush isn't smart enough to do it.  Someone else in some other agency had to do it.
siciliano732
Member
+202|6892|New York
your an idiot....
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|6868|Home of the Escalade Herds
I'm going to vote no since it occured in the UK and was thwarted with help from Pakistan.

The only part that rubs me the wrong way is the fact that they are once again using planes. You'd think they would stay away from that area given all the security reinforcement in that area.

Who knows really, these are fucked up times.
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|6993|Chicago.
I won't flame this thread. I just find it ridiculous that when Terrorists are stopped dead in their tracks, everyone screams conspiracy and lies. Thats all.
Fat guy in speedos
Banned
+5|6712

siciliano732 wrote:

your an idiot....
Thanks you just eat what they feed you.
I say think for my self and question authority.
BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|6993|Chicago.

Fat guy in speedos wrote:

siciliano732 wrote:

your an idiot....
Thanks you just eat what they feed you.
I say think for my self and question authority.
I think for myself as well.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6927|United States of America
Governments aren't horror movie producers. Their goal is not "to get people scared" as far as I know. However, if it is, I would be extremely surprised and have reason to be dubious.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6824|SE London

Sounds real enough to me.

If only the US intelligence services had done the same with 9/11, which they had warnings of - they just ignored them.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6824|SE London

DesertFox423 wrote:

Governments aren't horror movie producers. Their goal is not "to get people scared" as far as I know. However, if it is, I would be extremely surprised and have reason to be dubious.
Many governments are kept in power for a long time by keeping people scared.

Iraq, North Korea, the USSR, to some extent China and half of Africa.
The Nazis also employed this tactic, so I wouldn't put it past the Bush Administration.

Not that I think the Bush Administration had anything to do with 9/11 or the recent attack in Britain or any of the other major terrorist attacks across the world - unless you count creating the organisations the terrorists work for and letting them get wildly out of hand. The CIAs anti communist freedom fighter groups, like Al Quaeda, have turned out to be quite a nuisance, maybe arming, funding and training them wasn't a good idea - a bit like it wasn't a good idea backing Saddam in the 80's.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6896
The warnings have been there for about 11 years, the only modification is the alleged suicide element and the origins/destinations.  I'm still not making any judgements about the authenticity until more information is revealed, but it's interesting to know that this is not a new technique:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oplan_Bojinka#Phase_I wrote:

Airline bombing plot

The next plan would have involved at least five Al-Qaeda operatives, including Yousef, Khan, Shah and two more unknown operatives. Starting on January 21, 1995 and ending on January 22, 1995, they would set the bombs on 11 United States-bound airliners that had stopovers all around East Asia and Southeast Asia. All of the flights had two legs. The bombs would be planted inside life jackets under seats on the first leg, when each bomber would disembark. He would then board one or two more flights and repeat. After all of the bombers planted bombs on all of the flights, each man would then catch flights to Lahore, Pakistan. The men never needed U.S. visas, as they only would have stayed on the planes on their first legs in Asia.

United States airlines had been chosen instead of Asian airlines to maximize the shock toward Americans. The flights targeted were listed under operatives with codenames: "Zyed", "Majbos", "Markoa", "Mirqas" and "Obaid". Obaid, who was really Abdul Hakim Murad, was to hit United flight 80, and then he was to go back to Singapore under another United flight which he would bomb. [1] [3] [5]

Zyed, probably Ramzi Yousef, was to hit Northwest Flight 30, a United Flight going from Taipei to Honolulu, and a United Flight going from Bangkok to Taipei to San Francisco [1] [6]

The bombs would have been timed before the operatives stepped off the planes. The aircraft would have blown up over the Pacific Ocean and the South China Sea almost simultaneously. If this plan worked, several thousand would have perished, and air travel would have been shut down worldwide for days, if not weeks. The U.S. government estimated the prospective death toll to be about 4,000 if the plot had been executed.
[edit]

The bomb

The "Mark II" "microbombs" had Casio digital watches as the timers, stabilizers that looked like cotton wool balls, and an undetectable nitroglycerin as the explosive. Other ingredients included glycerin, nitrate, sulfuric acid, and minute concentrations of nitrobenzene, silver azide (silver trinitride), and liquid acetone. Two 9-volt batteries in each bomb were used as a power source. The batteries would be connected to light bulb filaments that would detonate the bomb. Murad and Yousef wired an SCR as the switch to trigger the filaments to detonate the bomb. There was an external socket hidden when the wires were pushed under the watch base as the bomber would wear it. The alteration was so small that the watch could still be worn in a normal manner. [1] [5] [7]

Yousef got batteries past airport security during his December 11 test bombing of Philippine Airlines Flight 434 by hiding them in hollowed-out heels of his shoes. Yousef smuggled the nitroglycerin on board by putting it inside a contact lens solution bottle.

The density of the explosive cocktail would be about 1.3.

Last edited by UnOriginalNuttah (2006-08-11 18:02:09)

Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6792|UK

The Brits knew about this for months, however I feel a little uneasy about that part, yeah the foiled it so well done, but, you know its not full proof, what if the hi-jackers had a sudden change of heart and did it a day early/late.  Would we be sitting here with the worst terror attack in history on our hands........

I wouldnt say the government wanted to scare us, afterall that is the goal of the 'Terrorists'.

Last edited by Bell (2006-08-11 18:16:17)

Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6959

Fat guy in speedos wrote:

Haven't anyone noticed lately that they try to get people scared with such news as Path train tunnel plot unfoiled,
mass murder Plane hi-jack unfolded. I sense that it was planted in a way.
why the fuck would the US government want to destroy their own country... its just retarded how 911 is planned...
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luckeydogg
Member
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Lemme guess you little hippy loving faggot...  You voted for John Kerry...
zFeinT
Member
+35|6911

PRiMACORD wrote:

I'm going to vote no since it occured in the UK and was thwarted with help from Pakistan.

The only part that rubs me the wrong way is the fact that they are once again using planes. You'd think they would stay away from that area given all the security reinforcement in that area.

Who knows really, these are fucked up times.
Which is perfect reason to cause even more terror.  And lower people's confidence in their government's ability to defend them on planes (which're considered widely the safest method of travel [ from terrorist attacks]).   It's a brilliant plot and it would cause massive fear.    And about them tracking them for months - the longer the operation evolves, the more information you get on who is running it, who exactly is involved... and other intelligence information.   I'm glad it was foiled... aren't we all?
Kamakazai
Member
+0|6720
What are you saying they're gaining from this?
Spumantiii
pistolero
+147|6925|Canada
the us govt didn't gain
the weapons and oil supergiants sure did.  They are also the prime sponsors for the US presidency. 
thechosen1
Member
+7|6750|Austin, Tx

luckeydogg wrote:

Lemme guess you little hippy loving faggot...  You voted for John Kerry...
let me guess, you're in high school?

LMFAO at the most childish reply/remark/comeback i have seen all week!

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha (pause to breathe) bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Last edited by thechosen1 (2006-08-11 19:49:45)

BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7010

BigmacK192 wrote:

I won't flame this thread. I just find it ridiculous that when Terrorists are stopped dead in their tracks, everyone screams conspiracy and lies. Thats all.
Not everyone is screaming conspiracy and lies. Some extreme websites are, a lot of people are taking a healthy dose of scepticism about it all.

I always remain sceptical. These governments, UK & USA, have used these tricks before.

A lot of the time these people are arrested on page 1 of the newspaper but released without charge on page 25.

If they are terrorist, wikid, we got some more.

We will just have to see how this plays out.

Last edited by BN (2006-08-11 19:43:23)

BigmacK
Back from the Dead.
+628|6993|Chicago.

thechosen1 wrote:

luckeydogg wrote:

Lemme guess you little hippy loving faggot...  You voted for John Kerry...
let me guess, you're in high school?

LMFAO at the most childish reply/remark/comeback i have seen all week!

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha (pause to my breathe) bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Actually, I believe that was the most "childish reply/remark/comeback i have seen all week! "
OpsChief
Member
+101|6919|Southern California

Fat guy in speedos wrote:

Haven't anyone noticed lately that they try to get people scared with such news as Path train tunnel plot unfoiled,
mass murder Plane hi-jack unfolded. I sense that it was planted in a way.
is your real name michael moore?  j/k

They have been catching people for decades on various plots, some get through. Is it within the realm of possibility that the administration hatched this as a way to shape our future government?  lol
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6959
fail...  the poster is a moron...  theres no terrorist threat... lmfao...  its all a conspiracy... everyone is in on it
but you... pfffft
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