BF2S Forums My roommates view on the Isreal/lebannon thing

The definition of terrorism is not general or across the board. Many different schools of thought define it in different ways. Its pretty common lately to quote the old military manual definition of terrorism because its vague enough to define just about everything as terrorism. Therein you can villify whomever of your choosing.

Although i think its a relevant point saying the capability effects thier status its the tactics chosen being their methods and targets that define them. Namely futile underhanded attacks that serve no purpose but revenge never being effective in a nature to actually elicit any semblance of victory. Also thier targets of choice is typically civilian which could never succeed as far as a military campaign.

Does Hezbollah think katyusa'ing Israeli civilians hurts the IDF ? Granted that Israel could use a little more restraint to avoid civlian casualties I believe they never purposefully target them.

PRIMACORD wrote:

With that said, the katyusha rocket attacks have mostly killed soldiers while Israeli attacks are mostly killing civilians.

Bullshit not one IDF soldier has died to a katyusha. As far as knowing how many Hezboallh members to civilians have died you are talking out of your ass. It's certain they've killed many Hez members and they dont run around counting the bodies and telling reporters. Apparently you dont know but those rockets are artillery they dont have a fucking clue what they are hitting other than hoping the coordinate they are aiming at has civilians in the vicinity. Notice youll hear they launch 4 hundred in a day and 2 people get injured?

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PRIMACORD wrote:

With that said, the katyusha rocket attacks have mostly killed soldiers while Israeli attacks are mostly killing civilians.

Bullshit not one IDF soldier has died to a katyusha. As far as knowing how many Hezboallh members to civilians have died you are talking out of your ass. It's certain they've killed many Hez members and they dont run around counting the bodies and telling reporters. Apparently you dont know but those rockets are artillery they dont have a fucking clue what they are hitting other than hoping the coordinate they are aiming at has civilians in the vicinity. Notice youll hear they launch 4 hundred in a day and 2 people get injured?

Hezbollah militia:
165 killed

Israel:

Civilians:
41 killed
1,293 injured (of which 1,200 lightly injured or treated for shock)
300,000 displaced

Soldiers:
82 killed
254 wounded
2 captured

Lebanon

Civilians:
1002 killed
3,500 injured
One million displaced

Soldiers:
35 killed
80 wounded
350 captured


Not one IDF soldier killed by rockets, lol?

Last edited by PRiMACORD (2006-08-10 20:56:08)

I think we have that already. We call them terrorist.

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PRIMACORD wrote:

With that said, the katyusha rocket attacks have mostly killed soldiers while Israeli attacks are mostly killing civilians.

Bullshit not one IDF soldier has died to a katyusha. As far as knowing how many Hezboallh members to civilians have died you are talking out of your ass. It's certain they've killed many Hez members and they dont run around counting the bodies and telling reporters. Apparently you dont know but those rockets are artillery they dont have a fucking clue what they are hitting other than hoping the coordinate they are aiming at has civilians in the vicinity. Notice youll hear they launch 4 hundred in a day and 2 people get injured?

An IDF volunteer from the US was killed by one yesterday.

PRIMACORD wrote:

Not one IDF soldier killed by rockets, lol?

Yes idiot.. I guess I'll have to explain to you again what a katyusha rocket is. Katyusha is a russian artillery rocket  invented in 1939. Its accuracy is very low espcially due to the operators having little to no skill calculating azimuth and apiture. To date all the the IDF losses have been inside of Lebanon not to artillery but to gueriila tactics IED's mines and the occasional anti tank missile hitting a Merkava.

Peruse this website and see if you can spot any IDF soldeirs dying to artillery.

Jusster wrote:

Neither can you.

There is no way you can prove your point that the IDF as killed more Hezballah solders then civilians.

Exactly.. unlike primacord here I dont pretend like I know exactly what is going on. Furthermore I NEVER said the IDF has killed more or alluded to the fact that I know exactly anything about statistics. All these preliminary numbers are surely innacurate but his numbers are easily slanted. I'm not really going tto present these numbers as irrefutable facts but these are unbiased numbers imo.

lebanon
315 soldiers
605 civilians

israel
65 soldiers
36 civilians

I'm sure Israel disputes the 600 civilians. Point being you and I dont know and I choose not to pretend like I do.

Yes a source reporting thier own losses. Being a professional military and world power they dont lie about what happens to them in the very least. Pictures of the soldiers whom have families.. a public record ..and you would call that a lie ?

ncc6206 wrote:

Okay my two cents....
1. Israel is "defending" itself. No one told Hezbollah to go in and capture those soldiers.  They were the aggressors. Even the Saudis stated they had overstepped their bounds. 
2. You can bash the US for being an sponsor for terrorist but then again you say this from the freedoms given to its citizens.  Try that in Lebanon I dare you.

Yeah...but who went in with TANKs to go on for "SAR" Mission?!
Everybody knows that its ridiculous  to search someone with Tanks...

And yeah the Saudis stated the Hizbullah are the aggressors...cause most of the Arabian League Leadership (incl. Saudi Arabia) is Sunite...while Hizbullah is Shiite...and the League secretly rub their hands cuz Israel is doing the dirty work for em...cuz they are afraid that the Shiites gain to much power. And guess who's also Shiite? Yes...IRAN who btw. is supporting em...so its not so easy down there...

Last edited by Jeopardia_Ferdy (2006-08-11 10:54:35)