Yes, that makes sense.Miller wrote:
but those people were radicals born, and raised in Britain. My opinion is we send everything we have into the middle east.
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I'm fine with that. I am a Christian. You don't need church in this religion to connect with God.aardfrith wrote:
I take it you'd favour closing all Christian churches in the US and Ireland because of the IRA, INLA, UDF, etc. then? Here in the UK we've suffered far more from supposedly Christian terrorists than Muslims.Miller wrote:
...We should also close all mosques in the US and Britain. It's war now people, no one is innocent.
Are you kidding me?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Are you Kidding me? The laws in the UK Protect Muslims and others with More protections than British born citizens. There's more concessions made to Muslims in the UK than even France allows. If you review history, Most of the Infamous terrorists have either lived or stopped over to the UK. Why you say? Because they are Protected there. If America would only Close down these places and Track every business owner of Mideastern on Muslim decent, maybe we could Get someplace with these whack jobs.brome wrote:
No.Miller wrote:
We should also close all mosques in the US and Britain.
I'd have to say I almost totally disagree with you. I am uncomfortable with the way that Britain and most of the rest of Western Europe have become part and parcel with America. This is a result of that.
So Christianity is better than Islam now is it?Miller wrote:
I'm fine with that. I am a Christian. You don't need church in this religion to connect with God.aardfrith wrote:
I take it you'd favour closing all Christian churches in the US and Ireland because of the IRA, INLA, UDF, etc. then? Here in the UK we've suffered far more from supposedly Christian terrorists than Muslims.Miller wrote:
...We should also close all mosques in the US and Britain. It's war now people, no one is innocent.
Ten-fourThis isn't about muslims, its about terrorists. all the talk about closing mosques is done by school kids. Adults know the differece between a muslim and a terrorist!. why turn this in to a race-hate thread? . 99.9% of muslims are as pissed off as the rest of us about what is going on,
Are you saying that he is ignorant enough to accept Hitler's ideals? I do believe his idea was to kill all Jews, Who did nothing to him.brome wrote:
Are you kidding me?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Are you Kidding me? The laws in the UK Protect Muslims and others with More protections than British born citizens. There's more concessions made to Muslims in the UK than even France allows. If you review history, Most of the Infamous terrorists have either lived or stopped over to the UK. Why you say? Because they are Protected there. If America would only Close down these places and Track every business owner of Mideastern on Muslim decent, maybe we could Get someplace with these whack jobs.brome wrote:
No.
I'd have to say I almost totally disagree with you. I am uncomfortable with the way that Britain and most of the rest of Western Europe have become part and parcel with America. This is a result of that.
You are either baiting us (which I think is most likely - but I'm gona carry on arguing) or you really are so ignorant that you do not realise the answer to every problem is not to persecute the entire race who you think are responsible?
So Fucking true it scares me. Racial Profiling FFS, DUH, Its Mideastern young males perpetrating the crimes so Who the fuck do you look for? The Black guy in the tie and suit? WTF.spacebandit72 wrote:
I'm not saying close all the mosques and crap like that all I want to see is a muslim group to publicly protest the terrorism.
The American muslims need to stand up and let their voices be heard or else it's too easy to take the "kill em all" attitude.
As for racial profiling, we need to do that a bit. Not that it should be a bad thing. If you know a murder was performed by a white male in his thirties, you'll be picking on allot of white males in his thirties. It's just the way it is. We can't help the color we are Born with.
I never said Christianity is better than Islam, all I said was that we don't need a church to connect with God.brome wrote:
So Christianity is better than Islam now is it?Miller wrote:
I'm fine with that. I am a Christian. You don't need church in this religion to connect with God.aardfrith wrote:
I take it you'd favour closing all Christian churches in the US and Ireland because of the IRA, INLA, UDF, etc. then? Here in the UK we've suffered far more from supposedly Christian terrorists than Muslims.
Stop now, before you embarass yourself and everybody you claim to speak on behalf of even further. That is not what I said. Exclusion is not the answer. You cannot do that, and it will not workMiller wrote:
Are you saying that he is ignorant enough to accept Hitler's ideals? I do believe his idea was to kill all Jews, Who did nothing to him.brome wrote:
Are you kidding me?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Are you Kidding me? The laws in the UK Protect Muslims and others with More protections than British born citizens. There's more concessions made to Muslims in the UK than even France allows. If you review history, Most of the Infamous terrorists have either lived or stopped over to the UK. Why you say? Because they are Protected there. If America would only Close down these places and Track every business owner of Mideastern on Muslim decent, maybe we could Get someplace with these whack jobs.
You are either baiting us (which I think is most likely - but I'm gona carry on arguing) or you really are so ignorant that you do not realise the answer to every problem is not to persecute the entire race who you think are responsible?
Yes, they are Americans. Well, most of them are.PRiMACORD wrote:
I'm white.Erkut.hv wrote:
Hypocrisy FTWPRiMACORD wrote:
Just because you're a country hick
Because of all the racism this shit is causing towards them
Idiots FTW.They shouldn't have to do anything, they are AmericansErkut.hv wrote:
Then tell your Muslim friends to hold a fucking march for once in their lives and condemn terrorism on television.Miller wrote:
Muslims have been here for a long ass time, most of them hate terrorists more then we do.
No, you implied it. "They are inferior cause they need a church as part of their religion" Learn to accept differences, not run from themMiller wrote:
I never said Christianity is better than Islam, all I said was that we don't need a church to connect with God.brome wrote:
So Christianity is better than Islam now is it?Miller wrote:
I'm fine with that. I am a Christian. You don't need church in this religion to connect with God.
That's actually the FIRST valid argument I've heard against muslims. +1 for you good sir.spacebandit72 wrote:
The thing is, if you don't want to be picked on or profiled, or your religion to be looked down upon... you have a right and responsibility to defend it.
By not defending themselves it cast a shadow over all Muslims.
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Yeah because they are going to prance around singing praises to Allah while shooting Ak47s in the air.PRiMACORD wrote:
There are 10 million Muslims in the US, every one I've met is friendly and as normal as they come.
Seriously, go out and meet a Muslim.
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Well, you must not read newspapers or watch the news. We have protesters all over the place. Plus, you cannot equate the war in Iraq with Muslims in America. We don't need to protest the Iraq stuff because the individuals are being tried and/or investigated.brome wrote:
@LaidBackNinja: Well no. By the same logic I can criticise you for not getting up and protesting to your governent about Gauntanimo Bay, or the rape of that 14-year-old Iraqi girl and the murder of her family by US soldiers, for example. I could tell you that if you did not want your country to be "picked on or profiled, or to be looked down on" you should go and "do something about it".
Are these seriously your opinions? I'm starting to think I'm being wound up. I hope so...
I agree that they have a right to respond, and there are and have been Muslims decrying terrorist attacks. You just haven't heard about it. That might be the medias fault. Then again, it might be your own for not seeking it. I disagree with your statement that they must defend their beliefs to people. Muslims have a responsibility to distance themselves from fanatics, but they do not have to defend themselves against a witch hunt. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, one of the main pillars of our justice system?spacebandit72 wrote:
The thing is, if you don't want to be picked on or profiled, or your religion to be looked down upon... you have a right and responsibility to defend it.
Judging a group of people based on a few's actions is ignorant. I am going to leave it at that. Go out and meet a muslim if you question the sincerity of Muslims. I am not talking about going up to the first Arab guy you see and introducing yourself, then saying, "Hey, he seems like a nice guy." Go out and get to know a Muslim, find out where he stands on terrorism, on religious issues, on moral issues, and then tell me you question the sincerity.spacebandit72 wrote:
By not defending themselves it cast a shadow over all Muslims. You can call it what you like and you can call people country hicks all you like but it does not change the fact that even non hicks like myself have questions about the sincerity of the Muslims.
Oh, OK. "We" have people for that. But you personally are not protesting, are you? I do read the newspapers, I watch the news. But any person of Islamic origin I know will be the first to condemn the terrorists. And by your own argument they should not need to protest about the current plot because it is being "investigated", and people have been arrested. 21 people, I think.spacebandit72 wrote:
Well, you must not read newspapers or watch the news. We have protesters all over the place. Plus, you cannot equate the war in Iraq with Muslims in America. We don't need to protest the Iraq stuff because the individuals are being tried and/or investigated.brome wrote:
@LaidBackNinja: Well no. By the same logic I can criticise you for not getting up and protesting to your governent about Gauntanimo Bay, or the rape of that 14-year-old Iraqi girl and the murder of her family by US soldiers, for example. I could tell you that if you did not want your country to be "picked on or profiled, or to be looked down on" you should go and "do something about it".
Are these seriously your opinions? I'm starting to think I'm being wound up. I hope so...
Because some people believe you're not on this planet onceBUDFORCE wrote:
Im not going to point the finger at any religion or whatever, but seriously, why cant people just chill the fuck out, drink a few beers listen to some decent music, and chill the fuck out.
People take things too seriously, you are only on this planet once, why spend it being pissed off and trying to suiicde bomb someone.
sometimes I laugh at humanity for how fucked up it can be, and I feel sorry for them.
Live life!
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Your an idiot. Just go away. Planes crashed into the WTC building, the pentagon, and a field in PA.justice wrote:
I think it says it all that us british managed to stop something which was more difficult to stop, and the americans couldn't stop 9/11, even though they had intelligence of a possible attack, and locations on the terrorists, and have more resourced than the British. Leads back to all the conspiracy theories.
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..dude? I'm not American.brome wrote:
@LaidBackNinja: Well no. By the same logic I can criticise you for not getting up and protesting to your governent about Gauntanimo Bay, or the rape of that 14-year-old Iraqi girl and the murder of her family by US soldiers, for example. I could tell you that if you did not want your country to be "picked on or profiled, or to be looked down on" you should go and "do something about it".
Are these seriously your opinions? I'm starting to think I'm being wound up. I hope so...