BF2S Forums What does it mean to be anti-semitic?

kr@cker wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

What's the word for someone wants to genocide all Muslims?  They need to coin a phrase for that because it's getting bloody rampant these days, sometimes even from people who throw the word anti-Semite around.

muslims are no different than the kkk, using religion to promote racism and genocide, at least until you consider the fact that those views are the actual teachings of the koran and is supported by the religion's top brass, whereas the klan misquotes the bible and is completely disregarded by the christian faith, in fact it was christians that put the klan in it's place




this is where someone like bubbalo brings up the crusades

no, this is the point were I agree with you about racism is bad.  then I ask you if you feel your message is watered down because of what's in your sig.

that's crystal clear...put THAT in your sig instead so there is no duality included.  or keep it and let people assume the exact opposite of what you wish to say.

unfortunately, we have had this debate before...my opinion is that recognizing the differences just increase the gulf...why stoop to that level.

my grandparents were somewhat racist.  my parents are little less.  and me, well i just hate people who are intolerant of other cultures, and the dutch.  i honestly believe that by ignoring it, it becomes less and less with every generation.

WTF is royal enfield anyways?

back on topic - is there ever going to be an end to this israel/arab debate?  it seems that both sides are perpetuating the violence and we ought to state out of it, or better yet not get in deeper...it's not going to end well for either side so why increase our exposure...

why aren't we ALL discussing solutions instead of assigning blame?  oh, i like to waste time too.

The rebuttal. . . .  The crusades were a delayed response to centuries of Muslim aggression! It grew to such a problem, in the 11th century that the Christians were forced to recapture their lands taken by muslims!!! The crusades were started in the defense of Christianity, NOT religious imperialism!!

It was more of the fact that Christians and Arabs were SHARING a peaceful co-existence, and that was broken by continued Muslim hostility towards the Christians.  Remember the Holy lands are a cohabitation of many faiths and peoples, not just Muslims!

Ummm well. . .not quite

In 638, Jerusalem was sacked by the Muslims my friend, and thats what started the continued Muslim aggression.  They were rutinely persecuted and mistreated by the muslims!!! I could list tons of muslims persecutions on the Christians before the Christians FINALLY sacked up and attacked.  Keep in mind the First Crusade didnt start till Pope Urban called for it at the counsil of claremont in 1095!!  Thats 457 years of continued Muslim mistreatment!!!!!

I've got a minor in history dude, albeit my major study revolves around more modern history, but I know my ancients pretty well. . .

Last edited by fadedsteve (2006-08-07 18:53:33)

Muslim trouble makers had been having agreat time throughout Asia and the Middle East.
What brought on the crusades were Muslims raiding into parts of Europe.
Rape pillage and murder.
Good to see they are consistant.
A link , for you.

SUMMARY: There was already a history of tension between the Christian world and the Muslim world going centuries back in time. Until now it had been fought mainly in Spain and Sicily, but with the change of rulers over Jerusalem in 1070, the treatment of pilgrims to the holy city became so bad that Europe reacted. Still it took a couple of decades before the reaction came - the crusades.

http://lexicorient.com/e.o/crusades_05.htm
Spain was the area of the cross territory incurrsions by the Muslims in about 600 A.D.

Last edited by ATG (2006-08-07 19:13:23)

beuller.....beuller..!!!!!

Um. The Christains took jeruselam through blood and death, they ravaged the whole town into submission. The Saracens retook it without killing a single resident.

Score? Christians -352 Muslims 1

jonsimon wrote:

Um. The Christains took jeruselam through blood and death, they ravaged the whole town into submission. The Saracens retook it without killing a single resident.

Score? Christians -352 Muslims 1

nice of you not to count the thousands of christian dead prior to the wars, the pilgrim path to israel was in some places littered with bones, you were cautioned if you saw anyone you knew among the dead not to stop and attempt burial because you would soon join them, you were best to hurry in to city limits where at least you could perhaps find some marginal safety amongst other christians, but this was then still no guarantee. The pilgrimage of murders led to the establishment of the Knights Templar, stationed at various outpost on the path to Jerusalem to help protect the travelers. With the upgraded protection however also came escalated violence. This coupled with the raids into europe referenced by ATG is what led to the first crusade. Now if you were retaking a city populated by those that had slaghtered your people for hundreds of years would you treat them with kid gloves?

fadedsteve wrote:

Umm. . .  they (Christians) never would have taken the city or have attacked anyone if they hadn't they been fucked with for almost 450 years!! Sometimes enough is enough. . . .

Shall I bust out the history books again. . . to shut you liberal pundits UP!!!

You are SORELY mistaken Jon, you have no clue what your talking about. . .

Fucked with for over 450 years? By who?! THE GODDAMN VATICAN DOES NOT TAKE THE SLIGHTEST OUNCE OF SHIT FROM ANYONE. They certainly wouldn't take 450 years of it.

Well, at least he admits it.............

Flecco wrote:

CyrusTheVirus wrote:

What does it mean to be anti-semitic? Well - being anti-semitic is to be anti-jewish. Israel is a land born out of the horrors of the holocaust for the tortured souls of judaism. A land created by jews, fought for by jews and run by jews. Criticism of how the jews defend themselves is a kick in the teeth for those who suffered the horrors of the holocaust and to me amounts to anti-semitism.

Check the link in my post and in my sig, are you saying they are anti-semitic? Pretty big stretch of the imagination there. Oh, it wasn't really created by the jews either, sure the concept was theirs but it was a big shiny christmas present from the UN and the British to say sorry for not kicking the crap out of Hitler sooner.

I regret to inform you that the jews created the state of Israel. THe UN plan was not implemented and all the Brits did was pull out under increasing pressure from the chaos that surrounded them. Once the jews had established what seemed to be a stable state countries then began to recognise them as a legitimate nation.

Those orthodox jews crack me up - they remind me of the bleeding heart liberals (communists) who are constantly trying to chip away at the values that made my country - the United States of America - great. Funny thing is - if those orthos went anywhere near Palestinian 'territory' they'd be lynched in less than twenty seconds.