BF2S Forums support for the terrorists????????!!!!!!

lowing wrote:

Jeopardia_Ferdy wrote:

Yeah but the fact that Israel nearly acts in the same way the third reich did (ie. achieving soil for their people in the east...) makes me angry...they should know best as they were the one who suffered most from the third reich...but by still taking money from Germany and doing the same thing Germany did back then makes em even worse...think Germany showed em how it is done...
and oh anyone remember how the second world war started? didn't Germany "claimed they were attacked first" by Poland? sounds familiar huh?

BTW: War never determines who is right, only who is left...

"yeah but"........that is enough said in regards to the question of where and how Hezzbollah conducts itself in battle.

I never read that Germany claimed that they were attacked by Poland, but if they did, I bet it was viewed as  ridiculous as the claim that Israel is the aggressor in all of this and the poor "PEACE LOVING" Muslims are the victims.

BTW: "Give me liberty or give me death"

I never said the muslim are peace loving...just wanted to say israel should know better...but by behaving like this (ie. like an axe in the forrest=) they are not any better than the germs in WWII...

Never heard of Hitlers quote: "seit 5.45 Uhr [...] wird zurückgeschossen." engl.: "since 5.45 o'clock [...] we are firing back." (just search google or wikipedia plz) Never said it was true but sounds familiar...

lowing wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Israel and Lebanon have been involved in tit for tat attacks since the formation of Israel. Consider that 60 years ago millions of Palestinians moved of their land fled to Lebanon, became citizens and therefore voters. Hezbollah represented this  section of the Lebanese community. Now however, with the indiscriminate and collective punishment dealt out by Israel/USA Hezbola represents allot more of the population. Israel's tactic has been to "shock and aww" (were has this tactic failed before? were did they learn it from?) to convince the ppl of Lebanon that the struggle is futile. Infact they are radicalizing the whole country and neighboring countries too.
Anyone who argues that the taking of prisoners by Hezbollah is Terrorist kidnappings is obviously just waking up to what has been going on for a generation over there. Israel has been air striking and artyin' Lebanon for years. I would call that an act of war. War has been raging in the middle east for years, its just dressed up as arabs at it again! Therefore the solders taken were POW's.

The Shelling of Qana took place on April 18, 1996 in Qana, a village located southeast of Tyre, in Southern Lebanon, when Israeli artillery, returning fire against Hezbollah forces in the area, hit a Fijian UNIFIL compound in the village. Around 800 Lebanese civilians had taken refuge there to escape the fighting, of whom 106 were killed and around 116 others injured. Four UNIFIL soldiers were also seriously injured.

Above is one example of again disproportionate aggression. 106 civilians killed and 4 IDF solders killed. The Kill to death ratio for the Israeli army would be quite impressive, if it wasn't heavily bolstered by civilians.

Any mention where EXACTLY the Hezzbolah fighters were launching attacks from or hiding after they carried out there attacks. It wouldn't be among the civilian population ( women and children) now would it? Of course not.

I guess it would be "disproportionate" for Israel to defend itself against Muslim nations that have openly and continuously call out for its destruction and the extermination of all the Jews.

And where do they call for the "extermination of all the Jews"? Oh wait, they don't. That's your words. What are you, an anti-semite?

rawls wrote:

It seem like everyone who wants Israel to stop aggression has the ideal that Israel can live in peace if only they do what the Arab/Muslims want. Is there a list of things Israel has to do in order for the violence to completely end? I don't believe there exist such a list. I believe Israel will always be under attack. Either Israel is wiped out or their enemies are. Look at the post above me. That guy is so dense. Look what he wrote:

"And where do they call for the "extermination of all the Jews"? Oh wait, they don't. That's your words. What are you, an anti-semite?"

I'm sure we can find numerous links to prove that statement is bullshit.

As for my first three sentences, they are truth. The last is a literary tactic of removing his words from context and forming conclusions from them in an attempt to emphasize his own poor use of context.

The truth is, Israel is in too deep to exist as Israel. They should be disbanded. No Arab nation has called for the destruction of the Jews, but rather Israel. Israel is a nation with a Jewish government. They're not even a Jewish nation, they have more arabs than jews. Israel the state needs to be removed and replaced with a new government representative of both Israelis and Palestinians. It is the only democratic thing to do, and it is the only right thing to do.

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Israel and Lebanon have been involved in tit for tat attacks since the formation of Israel. Consider that 60 years ago millions of Palestinians moved of their land fled to Lebanon, became citizens and therefore voters. Hezbollah represented this  section of the Lebanese community. Now however, with the indiscriminate and collective punishment dealt out by Israel/USA Hezbola represents allot more of the population. Israel's tactic has been to "shock and aww" (were has this tactic failed before? were did they learn it from?) to convince the ppl of Lebanon that the struggle is futile. Infact they are radicalizing the whole country and neighboring countries too.
Anyone who argues that the taking of prisoners by Hezbollah is Terrorist kidnappings is obviously just waking up to what has been going on for a generation over there. Israel has been air striking and artyin' Lebanon for years. I would call that an act of war. War has been raging in the middle east for years, its just dressed up as arabs at it again! Therefore the solders taken were POW's.

The Shelling of Qana took place on April 18, 1996 in Qana, a village located southeast of Tyre, in Southern Lebanon, when Israeli artillery, returning fire against Hezbollah forces in the area, hit a Fijian UNIFIL compound in the village. Around 800 Lebanese civilians had taken refuge there to escape the fighting, of whom 106 were killed and around 116 others injured. Four UNIFIL soldiers were also seriously injured.

Above is one example of again disproportionate aggression. 106 civilians killed and 4 IDF solders killed. The Kill to death ratio for the Israeli army would be quite impressive, if it wasn't heavily bolstered by civilians.

Any mention where EXACTLY the Hezzbolah fighters were launching attacks from or hiding after they carried out there attacks. It wouldn't be among the civilian population ( women and children) now would it? Of course not.

I guess it would be "disproportionate" for Israel to defend itself against Muslim nations that have openly and continuously call out for its destruction and the extermination of all the Jews.

And where do they call for the "extermination of all the Jews"? Oh wait, they don't. That's your words. What are you, an anti-semite?

Does anyone wanna post the links for my buddy here or do I really need to do it??

lowing wrote:

To all who posted.

No I know the majority of the ME feels this way, however it is a little disconcerting that the Iraqis whom we are there trying to help recover from a violent regime would protest in favor of this terrorist group. I mean, ok, ya don't like Israel, but to actually support terrorism??!!

You are also correct the 911 bombings count as "screwing with the west" however, we took care of the taliban and let the terrorists know, as well as the hostile ME govts. that, from now on the gloves will be off.

I think we can agree to stay out of the ME, if they agree to leave Israel alone and stop the terror around the world. It is a pipe dream though and will never materialize.

All in all, this article just makes me realize there is no hope for peace in the ME and I will have to be content for peace for the rest of us.

As far as starting the problems with the creation of Israel, it is time to understand these people have been the most persecuted people in the history of the world. They need a place to settle and live in peace. They have as much right to exist in the ME as the Muslims do. But now I am leaning toward staying out of it and let Israel do its thing, (of which we all know they are capable of doing)

100 % agree.  Supporting Hezbollah is just plain wrong, they kill innocents just like the Israeli's.  The whole thing is one giant pile of shit

FlashHeart wrote:

At the end of the day, if it wasn't for oil I'm sure we'd not be messing around in the middle east at all.

....

just worked that out?

JahManRed wrote:

lowing wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Israel and Lebanon have been involved in tit for tat attacks since the formation of Israel. Consider that 60 years ago millions of Palestinians moved of their land fled to Lebanon, became citizens and therefore voters. Hezbollah represented this  section of the Lebanese community. Now however, with the indiscriminate and collective punishment dealt out by Israel/USA Hezbola represents allot more of the population. Israel's tactic has been to "shock and aww" (were has this tactic failed before? were did they learn it from?) to convince the ppl of Lebanon that the struggle is futile. Infact they are radicalizing the whole country and neighboring countries too.
Anyone who argues that the taking of prisoners by Hezbollah is Terrorist kidnappings is obviously just waking up to what has been going on for a generation over there. Israel has been air striking and artyin' Lebanon for years. I would call that an act of war. War has been raging in the middle east for years, its just dressed up as arabs at it again! Therefore the solders taken were POW's.

The Shelling of Qana took place on April 18, 1996 in Qana, a village located southeast of Tyre, in Southern Lebanon, when Israeli artillery, returning fire against Hezbollah forces in the area, hit a Fijian UNIFIL compound in the village. Around 800 Lebanese civilians had taken refuge there to escape the fighting, of whom 106 were killed and around 116 others injured. Four UNIFIL soldiers were also seriously injured.

Above is one example of again disproportionate aggression. 106 civilians killed and 4 IDF solders killed. The Kill to death ratio for the Israeli army would be quite impressive, if it wasn't heavily bolstered by civilians.

Any mention where EXACTLY the Hezzbolah fighters were launching attacks from or hiding after they carried out there attacks. It wouldn't be among the civilian population ( women and children) now would it? Of course not.

I guess it would be "disproportionate" for Israel to defend itself against Muslim nations that have openly and continuously call out for its destruction and the extermination of all the Jews.

lowing, I it is a fast depleating minority, a radicalised secion of the arab countries that are making these threats. Unfortunatly the numbers seam to be growing. This collective punnishment crap has wore thin here. Blair might have to quit over this because  84% of the population want a cease fire. And everyone is well pissed off. We get all this destruction on our TV's here ever night so I can only presume that you dont see the channels I see, because if there is any compasion in you, you would be shouting about your government stopping this madness. Blair's own government are filing there resignations over this stance of not calling an immediate cease fire to start talks to stop kids getting blowen to shit!

I support "stopping the maddness", but in reality it will never happen. Israel pulled out of Gaza and Jerusalem as part of the "Road map to peace", yet they still got attacked. It will never end there. Hell even if the Muslims wipe Israel of the face of the earth, do you honestly believe their violent behavior will stop?

Hell, there are no Jews in Iraq, yet the civilians and terrorists are killing each other by the droves, both groups Muslims mind you, however we have Shi'ite Muslims killing Sunni Muslims.

I have another challenge.

For all of those against Israel in here, find me one article that would give evidence that the Muslim world would finally live in peace if Israel was destroyed. If I can read 1 article, I will more likely buy into your argument that Israel is the aggressor. Or you can post links that show Israel's aggression to the rest of the world as proof. Cuz I can show you links that prove Muslim aggression outside of Israel, and threats made to other countries by Muslims. Who in the world are threatened by Israel, other than those nations that continually attack it??

There is NO SUCH THING AS A "PALESTINIAN" (they are homeless arabs!!!!!!) If anything they should go by their biblical name (since they are so historically sensitive)as the Philistines!! Whom launched incursions into Judea(Israel) even then, history repeating itself at all. . . .

Egypt owned Gaza(where the Philistines lived) before the Jews owned all of Palestine, Jordan owned the West bank!!! The Jews were given all the land in between(which is modern day Israel).  The jews got INVADED(6day war) by all their neighbors, and took all that territory from everybody(which is not much land in actuality). They (the "palestinians) are just ARABS that got stuck in the middle of it all! simply Arabs without a home!!! The old biblical name for that are of land is Palestine, both Jews and Arabs lived in Palestine, so technically Israel is Palestine. 

So Jews are "Palestinians" TOO!!!!!!!!!!!! But the arabs dont want to be a part of Israel, so instead of calling themselves Israelis, they call themselves "Palestinians". . .

Have any of you guys seen how big the muslim world is. . . .ITS HUGE! Now with that said, look at Israel, its a sliver of nothing, a blip on the map.  Why is it, that the arabs have to have ALL THAT land to be happy?? Why is it that arabs CONSTANTLY say that Israel needs to be wipped off the map??

So basically we have a bunch of homeless Arabs PISSED at the fact that they have no home, and no other arab nation will take them under their wing. . . .

Also isnt fair to say that if in fact the arabs/palestinians get a state, wont they be fucked anyway?? There are no natural resources, all the jobs are in Israel (that pay any money), they have nothing to export(except terrorism).  Its POINTLESS, this whole "occuping arab land" shit that the arabs do, is a basic excuse to further hate jews and continue anti-semitism throughout that area of the world. 

And we (the good ole USA) get roped into all this crap, because Israel is our ally!! Its an amazing cycle of plain ole HORSESHIT!!!!

I hope the jews continue to BOMB THE SHIT out of Lebanon, blast those pricks back further into the stone age, more than they already are!!!

Last edited by fadedsteve (2006-08-06 05:59:28)

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

lowing, I it is a fast depleating minority, a radicalised secion of the arab countries that are making these threats. Unfortunatly the numbers seam to be growing. This collective punnishment crap has wore thin here. Blair might have to quit over this because  84% of the population want a cease fire. And everyone is well pissed off. We get all this destruction on our TV's here ever night so I can only presume that you dont see the channels I see, because if there is any compasion in you, you would be shouting about your government stopping this madness. Blair's own government are filing there resignations over this stance of not calling an immediate cease fire to start talks to stop kids getting blowen to shit!

I support "stopping the maddness", but in reality it will never happen. Israel pulled out of Gaza and Jerusalem as part of the "Road map to peace", yet they still got attacked. It will never end there. Hell even if the Muslims wipe Israel of the face of the earth, do you honestly believe their violent behavior will stop?

Hell, there are no Jews in Iraq, yet the civilians and terrorists are killing each other by the droves, both groups Muslims mind you, however we have Shi'ite Muslims killing Sunni Muslims.

I have another challenge.

For all of those against Israel in here, find me one article that would give evidence that the Muslim world would finally live in peace if Israel was destroyed. If I can read 1 article, I will more likely buy into your argument that Israel is the aggressor. Or you can post links that show Israel's aggression to the rest of the world as proof. Cuz I can show you links that prove Muslim aggression outside of Israel, and threats made to other countries by Muslims. Who in the world are threatened by Israel, other than those nations that continually attack it??

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/edi … tAgain.php

Iran explicitly states the solution is to remove the Israeli regime.

http://www.brokennewz.com/displaystory. … 357wipeass


http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgu … m_the.html


My favorite quote is:  “The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon reach the entire world”

I am sure YOU WILL disect this quote into meaning something harmless, but I will take it at face value.

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060803_MainstreamPressDeliberatelyMisrepresentsIranianPMYetAgain.php

Iran explicitly states the solution is to remove the Israeli regime.

http://www.brokennewz.com/displaystory. … 357wipeass


http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgu … m_the.html


My favorite quote is:  “The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon reach the entire world”

I am sure YOU WILL disect this quote into meaning something harmless, but I will take it at face value.

Its easy to make someone sound evil through misquoting. That's the part of the argument my article makes. Until you can dispute that argument, your quotes are useless.

As for the map quote, specifically, he used an arabic phrase that more literally translates to "removed from the pages of history." He also specified the Israeli regime, no the country. Of course, biased American media can't spread anything without Israels OK.

See  I told ya. LOL

Here is the whole paragragh please point out where I mis quoted him.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, … 47,00.html


Believe it or not, he has said more than what you cite.

Last edited by lowing (2006-08-06 07:08:36)

lowing wrote:

Beuller, ................Beuller...

Save Ferris. Better yet save jonsimon, he's sick. Whats he got?  I think it's called "lackofcommonsense'. Very contagious. It's already affected Cameron, Jennings, and numerous other bf2'ers.

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/04/iraq.main/index.html


I find this quite disturbing and this support goes against all the efforts to bring peace and stability to Iraq. This now proves to me that Iraq is a waste of time.

I say it is time to leave the ME with a warning, "Kill yourselves all you want, but the second you screw with the west you are dead".

Fuck em. Annihilate the bastards. We try and bring them freedom and they can't seem to realise that. I say fuck em.