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He was speaking of BF 1942 where you could "sail" ships.... And you can not sink the aircraft carriers in BF2 anymore.

don't be so sure about that, in our country we still have battleships:
cruisers and destroyers i mean.

Last edited by |DS|crazytaliban|DS| (2005-11-26 06:36:41)

you apparently know jack about us naval activity then.

nameless, the subs are one of the most powerful things our navy has, the nuclear class submarine can stay underwater for like 6 or 8 months or something ridiculous like that at a time.  If our country ever gets attacked, they are our last line of attack being strategically positioned throughout the world.

As a USN submariner, who participated in the opening festivities of Iraqi Freedom, our subs are our FIRST line of attack.  As for the battleship issue, the only battleships still in ANY fleet, are the USS Wisconsin and USS Iowa, both in the reserve fleet, not on active duty.  For that matter, the Wisconsin has already been turned into a muesium in Norfolk, and the Iowa is searching for a home on the west coast to become a muesium.  The day of the big gun is gone.

Yeah, battleships are just not up to the current standards in modern warfare, hence why many are retired or being converted into museums as Joker said.  They was a time when yes they had their uses, but modern day war shows that now aircraft carriers are the real dominators of the seas.  Again this is why many different countries have them as the core units for their fleets.  They have the ability to strike nearly anyware, and with their sea escort and air protection, they are almost invincible.

Joker13641 wrote:

As a USN submariner, who participated in the opening festivities of Iraqi Freedom, our subs are our FIRST line of attack.

precisely. that's why they sit in the cold water in the pacific and make like a black hole, waiting for launch orders.

oh, and marines = navy's gophers

Last edited by ayb (2005-11-26 09:29:24)

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Yeah... you know little about the Navy.  And, when's the last time you took a good examination of the Marine Corps seal?  Take a read around the edges.


The last battleship to really see service was the USS Mossouri, which was decomissioned in the mid-90's.  Big guns became pretty moot with modern Naval Aviation and cruise missiles.

As for submarines, they sure as hell do see activity.  I'm not sure the exact ration, but we have a requirement that at least 1/3 (I think that's right) of our SSBNs be deployed at all times (big ballistic missile subs...  you know, the ones that could flatten a dozen or so Russian cities from any ocean on the planet).  I'm pretty sure that 1-2 attack subs are standard kit for any carrier battle group, and they're also an excellent vehicle for deploying SEALs.  Also... they're used to give our P-3's practice, because they don't get much otherwise, following a Chinese sub, from what I've heard, is about like trailing newlyweds with tin cans hanging from their bumper.  A Kilo would be a challenge, but for the most part anyone who's bought one or some of those from the Russians (like Iran) are too scared to submerge them, because their ill-skilled crews might not be able to surface again.  We even have a brand new attack sub class, starting with the USS Seawolf...  last I heard it was still doing shakedowns, but it may be deployed already.

Finally, it's not really an aircraft carrier.  The Essex is a Wasp Class Amphibious Assault Ship, LHD-2.  Also, unlike as shown in "The Iron Gator", you're not likely to see an Army Apache on the deck, and you will never, ever see F-18's (unless it's perhaps the crashed wreckage of one)...  they're just not big enough, and don't have the catapults and arrestor cables necessary for traditional fixed-wing craft.  And it's Nimitz class CVNs that have a compliment of about 5k...   if a gator freighter carrys that many, then they must pack those Marines in the bilges like a can of sardines (looked it up, the crew is about 1k, total compliment with the Marines is 3k).

Last edited by Lazarus Tag'lim (2005-11-26 11:46:57)

Paladus902 wrote:

Yeah, battleships are just not up to the current standards in modern warfare, hence why many are retired or being converted into museums as Joker said.  They was a time when yes they had their uses, but modern day war shows that now aircraft carriers are the real dominators of the seas.  Again this is why many different countries have them as the core units for their fleets.  They have the ability to strike nearly anyware, and with their sea escort and air protection, they are almost invincible.

Don't know much about naval ships, but it has always seemed to me that aircraft carriers are very vulnerable to airstrikes and submaries.  An airplane can launch a fire and forget missile from pretty far away.  Submarines are stealthy and also can fire torpedo from a pretty safe distance.  Also, what about cruise missiles?  Can't those take out a carrier pretty easy?

Just curious if anybody can enlighten me on the dynamics of a carrier/carrier fleet.

AGEIS (spelling) cruisers are great at swatting incoming air attacks.

Psycho wrote:

superfly_cox wrote:

An airplane can launch a fire and forget missile from pretty far away.

Never saw an airplane intentionally launch a FIRE, but they will deploy flares when needed. LOL. There are two types of missles Active and Passive.

Passive missles are generally heat seekers. Since they are passive (i.e. locate and lock onto heat sources, but don't send out any signal of their own) planes do not know they are targeted. Their only warning is once the missle is airborn. Then, IF they know they are targeted and IF they have time, they can deploy flares in an attempt to evade the missle. However, I know that many/most US passive missles also employ UV in tandem with IR (heat) when locking on to a target. Flares cannot trick UV locks.

Active missles employ sonar or similar technologies that send out a signal and lock onto "echos" that come back. With these types of systems the pilot will know that the missle is locking onto him as soon as it becomes active. What's more, the signal allows the pilot to lock onto the AA and take him out.

nope, i wasn't wrong in my writing but i should have put quotes when writing "fire and forget" which describes a missile system that is fired and then becomes ‘autonomous’, working out the co-ordinates for where it should be going for itself.   consider the AGM-84D Harpoon which has a range of 172.74 miles (277.95 km) when launch from an aircraft.  how can a carrier protect itself at that range?  especially if you launch multiple fighters equiped with these types of missiles.  Can you gaurantee that you take em all out?  Reminds me of a scenario describe in Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising.