Thank you for being objective...that's my whole point all along.Jainus wrote:
Mmmm so help me out here cos I'm confused; where in any of that is the anti-semitic bit?|AIA| DAS wrote:
*HM1{N} and Ahmadinejad High Five*HM1{N} wrote:
First: Israel is not a country, it's a state.
Second: Israel is not your only safe ground, it is your only UNSAFE ground. Yet you try to hold on to your stolen land for all it is worth.
Third: Why is his country a "gay cunt"? Because you are so much better in Israel? It's remarks like that which only reinforce my opinion that Israel should cease to exist.
Fourth: You have the typical Zionist view; if you're against Israel you're anti-semitic. It looks like it's coming buddy, so you better start stretching. If you don't you won't be able to kiss your ass goodbye.
Note: the latest polls in the U.S. show that more people disapprove of Israel's actions than approve. There is a definite swing in our backing for Israel going on. You are about to lose your only friend...
Meanwhile |AIA| DAS looks on this post in glee...*Pumps fist* Ladies and Gentlemen of the Forum, I rest My Case.
Israel is bombed to hell by terrorists; so its not safe ground is it? Unless you call the possibility of being bombed daily safe i suppose.
He says Israel should cease to exist, not that Jews should cease to exist.
If we actually look at what 'anti-semitic' means; it is hatred of Jews, not Israel, Jews. Israel has lots of Jews in it, but you can still be against Israel and not against Jews. To attempt to shoe-horn HM1{N} into an anti-semitic straight jacket isn't going to work; he is anti-Israel, but not anti-Jew. And more than that, he probably doesn't have a problem with the Jews having a State, only with a state oppressing people inside her borders (to put my words in his mouth. From what i've read of HM1 this is what I think his position is)
very well put togeather post.
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Heyo,
You mean the fence to keep the child killing suicide bombers out? Seems to me that the fence and targeted assasination is workin pretty well to me. You may support terrorists however I for one know 241 families that could give a rats ass about the Lebenon debacle that Hezbola started. Those people who want US to send in peace keepers obviously have forgotten the 241 Marines killed by these terrorists in their barracks.
You mean the fence to keep the child killing suicide bombers out? Seems to me that the fence and targeted assasination is workin pretty well to me. You may support terrorists however I for one know 241 families that could give a rats ass about the Lebenon debacle that Hezbola started. Those people who want US to send in peace keepers obviously have forgotten the 241 Marines killed by these terrorists in their barracks.
Semites are peoples who speak Semitic languages; the group includes Arabs, Aramaeans, Jews, and many Ethiopians.
So being anti-semitic is hating all Jews and Arabs.
So for the Israelis to refer to the Arabs as anti-semitic is in fact incorrect rather the Arabs are Anti-Israelii.
So being anti-semitic is hating all Jews and Arabs.
So for the Israelis to refer to the Arabs as anti-semitic is in fact incorrect rather the Arabs are Anti-Israelii.
No, he means the fence used to penn up the Palestinian people so that they cannot get the necessary means for survival.negolien wrote:
Heyo,
You mean the fence to keep the child killing suicide bombers out? Seems to me that the fence and targeted assasination is workin pretty well to me. You may support terrorists however I for one know 241 families that could give a rats ass about the Lebenon debacle that Hezbola started. Those people who want US to send in peace keepers obviously have forgotten the 241 Marines killed by these terrorists in their barracks.
Why was that fence built in the first place? I'll tell you:
Because Israel was afraid of being bombed because they stole the land, murdered the people, etc, etc, etc...
That's what happens when you sytemmatically murder people and steal their land. You get blown up by suicide bombers with nothing left to live for...Israel took all of that away from them.
Actually, they probably do want something done. Families of the dead in wars often want to see a resolution to the conflict. You really cant speak for them.negolien wrote:
Heyo,
You mean the fence to keep the child killing suicide bombers out? Seems to me that the fence and targeted assasination is workin pretty well to me. You may support terrorists however I for one know 241 families that could give a rats ass about the Lebenon debacle that Hezbola started. Those people who want US to send in peace keepers obviously have forgotten the 241 Marines killed by these terrorists in their barracks.
well if u count bombing Lebanon into the stonage lol ya I'm sure they do want somthing done.
everybody who is in their situation(have the war at home and everyday can be the last,for both sides) will understand and accept the israel attacks. all palestine and libanon attack are "trow the stone and hide the hand" type so every time they attack a terrorist a civilian die because that fag lives surrounded by civilians, and whos fault? israel for attack the terrorist or the terrorist for hide there?HM1{N} wrote:
Third: Why is his country a "gay cunt"? Because you are so much better in Israel? It's remarks like that which only reinforce my opinion that Israel should cease to exist.
Fourth: You have the typical Zionist view; if you're against Israel you're anti-semitic. It looks like it's coming buddy, so you better start stretching. If you don't you won't be able to kiss your ass goodbye.
Note: the latest polls in the U.S. show that more people disapprove of Israel's actions than approve. There is a definite swing in our backing for Israel going on. You are about to lose your only friend...
in my opinion like the that sig muslims of middle east tend to destroy every good thing they have, from the big buddas of afganistan to countries,lebanon when was founded was rich and stable because all rich persons gave the money to lebanon banks, but what can make one of the richest countries of the area become in a warzone? hezbola, in the begining muslims were a minority and cristinans were a lot, now is the opposite.
being anti-israel is one thing but being pro-islamic makes me sick, because how persons support people who didnt evolve since middle age, who only think in war, who prefer killing people to give something good to his kids,who dont think the problem of his country isnt israel because are the terrorist of his country, because when u are neigbour of israel u can make 2 things think like lebanon and palestine and live a never end war, or do it like kuwait live and let the other live. AND STOP WITH THOSE CRAP OF LIBERTY OF PALESTINE, BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
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It doesn't matter if they don't know what to do with a government, it DOES MATTER THAT THEY BE ALLOWED TO LIVE THEIR LIVES. ISRAEL IS EXTERMINATING THEM. PALESTINIAN GENOCIDE.aqempty wrote:
everybody who is in their situation(have the war at home and everyday can be the last,for both sides) will understand and accept the israel attacks. all palestine and libanon attack are "trow the stone and hide the hand" type so every time they attack a terrorist a civilian die because that fag lives surrounded by civilians, and whos fault? israel for attack the terrorist or the terrorist for hide there?HM1{N} wrote:
Third: Why is his country a "gay cunt"? Because you are so much better in Israel? It's remarks like that which only reinforce my opinion that Israel should cease to exist.
Fourth: You have the typical Zionist view; if you're against Israel you're anti-semitic. It looks like it's coming buddy, so you better start stretching. If you don't you won't be able to kiss your ass goodbye.
Note: the latest polls in the U.S. show that more people disapprove of Israel's actions than approve. There is a definite swing in our backing for Israel going on. You are about to lose your only friend...
in my opinion like the that sig muslims of middle east tend to destroy every good thing they have, from the big buddas of afganistan to countries,lebanon when was founded was rich and stable because all rich persons gave the money to lebanon banks, but what can make one of the richest countries of the area become in a warzone? hezbola, in the begining muslims were a minority and cristinans were a lot, now is the opposite.
being anti-israel is one thing but being pro-islamic makes me sick, because how persons support people who didnt evolve since middle age, who only think in war, who prefer killing people to give something good to his kids,who dont think the problem of his country isnt israel because are the terrorist of his country, because when u are neigbour of israel u can make 2 things think like lebanon and palestine and live a never end war, or do it like kuwait live and let the other live. AND STOP WITH THOSE CRAP OF LIBERTY OF PALESTINE, BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
if israel kills people that usually could waste his life to kill others one, i dont care. a good example is irak they dont kill US marines because are difficult and only may kill 1-6 aprox but they prefer killing inocent people on markets(30-60) because makes the same impact on tv
Firstly, To set the record straight, this thread was a 'Nuh Unh' to a previously closed thread. Where I stated that his comments 'Smelled like Anti-Semitism' I Never called him an Anti Semite.Jainus wrote:
Further to my earlier post, lets have a look at the post that started all this off with |AIA| helpfully stating his case.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution.
-Wikipedia.Lets all note the key part of this sentence; "I see why...", not why you deserve to be or anything even close. Only that HM1 can see why. Understanding someones point of view is not the same as agreeing with it.|AIA| DAS wrote:
HM1{N} said...
Lisik - it's because of people like you that I see why Israel will probably be nuked back to the stone age.There it is again, "I see why". Not "Mel hates you and i agree" but "I see why".|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you that I see why someone like Mel Gibson hates you."that people [all over] the world hate Jews". Again this isn't a "I hate Jews", its a "people hate them". In the second part of the sentence HM1 is reporting what he has heard without actually giving his opinion on it.|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you that people the world over hate Jews more than they fear Satan. In fact I've even heard people calling Jews Satan's offspring.Lisik was voicing nothing but utter hatred for the terrorists (and the Palestinians). Lisik was taking an extreme and uncompromising position; a mirror image of the position that extremist Palestinians take. Whilst these extremists are calling for death of their enemies, there will be no peace. What HM1 has said is broadly correct and even if you believe he is wrong, there's nothing anti-semitic about that comment.|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you this vicious cycle of violence still exists.This is as close as HM1 gets to anti-semitism (and it isn't even in the same solar system as anti-semitism) where he is actually expressing his own beliefs, but even here there isn't anything about all Jews should die, or any bollocks like that.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Lisik - Israel and it's people like you are why there will never be peace. You people think you are better than everyone else because the world has been "hands-off" on your land stealing, murdering, displacing, human rights violating, genocide furthering, and "screw you-we'll do what we want attitude".
HM1 believes that the Israeli's stole the land to begin with (which is a debate for another thread) and are now murdering, displacing... etc. To say that is not anti-semitism. There people being murdered by both sides, to try and say otherwise from either side is laughable. But no where and not once does HM discriminate against Jews, either as a religion, a race or an ethnic.
|AIA| - Please show me one instance in that post where HM1 is showing a hostility towards Jews (not Lisik the individual but the Jewish people) and I'll happily concede. Until you can, you shouldn't be rubbishing HM's arguments by falsely branding it anti-semitic. Your obviously an intelligent bloke, argue with what he's actually saying.
** Please note that the quotes that are assigned to |AIA| are actually HM's words but with |AIA| bolding up the letters to try and prove his point. **
Therefore, I don't need to show you where HM is being anti-semetic. But his comments about Israel are Anti-Semetic insofar as The Very Creation of the word Israel is from Hebrew text. Where the Children of Jacob, who changed his name to Israel, lived. The Children of Israel, heretofor called the Nation of Israel. Now the Land of Israel or the land of the Jews.
Thus, by stating you wish Israel to be completly destroyed, those comments smack of anti-semitism. If he stated that he simply disagreed with Israel's Policies, that would be something entirely different. But by stating that there should be No Nation of Israel, or that they should cease to exist. Is something else entirely.
Shut up man. You're saying the NATION Israel can do whatever they want because the WORD is jewish. You're not even using logic anymore. I guess you ran out of arguments. He WAS saying that the nation Israel should not exist, in the current context of the discussion the word Israel refers to the nation of Israel. You lose an argument when you have to resort to semantics.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Firstly, To set the record straight, this thread was a 'Nuh Unh' to a previously closed thread. Where I stated that his comments 'Smelled like Anti-Semitism' I Never called him an Anti Semite.Jainus wrote:
Further to my earlier post, lets have a look at the post that started all this off with |AIA| helpfully stating his case.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution.
-Wikipedia.Lets all note the key part of this sentence; "I see why...", not why you deserve to be or anything even close. Only that HM1 can see why. Understanding someones point of view is not the same as agreeing with it.|AIA| DAS wrote:
HM1{N} said...
Lisik - it's because of people like you that I see why Israel will probably be nuked back to the stone age.There it is again, "I see why". Not "Mel hates you and i agree" but "I see why".|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you that I see why someone like Mel Gibson hates you."that people [all over] the world hate Jews". Again this isn't a "I hate Jews", its a "people hate them". In the second part of the sentence HM1 is reporting what he has heard without actually giving his opinion on it.|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you that people the world over hate Jews more than they fear Satan. In fact I've even heard people calling Jews Satan's offspring.Lisik was voicing nothing but utter hatred for the terrorists (and the Palestinians). Lisik was taking an extreme and uncompromising position; a mirror image of the position that extremist Palestinians take. Whilst these extremists are calling for death of their enemies, there will be no peace. What HM1 has said is broadly correct and even if you believe he is wrong, there's nothing anti-semitic about that comment.|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you this vicious cycle of violence still exists.This is as close as HM1 gets to anti-semitism (and it isn't even in the same solar system as anti-semitism) where he is actually expressing his own beliefs, but even here there isn't anything about all Jews should die, or any bollocks like that.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Lisik - Israel and it's people like you are why there will never be peace. You people think you are better than everyone else because the world has been "hands-off" on your land stealing, murdering, displacing, human rights violating, genocide furthering, and "screw you-we'll do what we want attitude".
HM1 believes that the Israeli's stole the land to begin with (which is a debate for another thread) and are now murdering, displacing... etc. To say that is not anti-semitism. There people being murdered by both sides, to try and say otherwise from either side is laughable. But no where and not once does HM discriminate against Jews, either as a religion, a race or an ethnic.
|AIA| - Please show me one instance in that post where HM1 is showing a hostility towards Jews (not Lisik the individual but the Jewish people) and I'll happily concede. Until you can, you shouldn't be rubbishing HM's arguments by falsely branding it anti-semitic. Your obviously an intelligent bloke, argue with what he's actually saying.
** Please note that the quotes that are assigned to |AIA| are actually HM's words but with |AIA| bolding up the letters to try and prove his point. **
Therefore, I don't need to show you where HM is being anti-semetic. But his comments about Israel are Anti-Semetic insofar as The Very Creation of the word Israel is from Hebrew text. Where the Children of Jacob, who changed his name to Israel, lived. The Children of Israel, heretofor called the Nation of Israel. Now the Land of Israel or the land of the Jews.
Thus, by stating you wish Israel to be completly destroyed, those comments smack of anti-semitism. If he stated that he simply disagreed with Israel's Policies, that would be something entirely different. But by stating that there should be No Nation of Israel, or that they should cease to exist. Is something else entirely.
Stop twisting my words to label me anti-semitic. Nobody here is buying what you are selling.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Firstly, To set the record straight, this thread was a 'Nuh Unh' to a previously closed thread. Where I stated that his comments 'Smelled like Anti-Semitism' I Never called him an Anti Semite.Jainus wrote:
Further to my earlier post, lets have a look at the post that started all this off with |AIA| helpfully stating his case.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution.
-Wikipedia.Lets all note the key part of this sentence; "I see why...", not why you deserve to be or anything even close. Only that HM1 can see why. Understanding someones point of view is not the same as agreeing with it.|AIA| DAS wrote:
HM1{N} said...
Lisik - it's because of people like you that I see why Israel will probably be nuked back to the stone age.There it is again, "I see why". Not "Mel hates you and i agree" but "I see why".|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you that I see why someone like Mel Gibson hates you."that people [all over] the world hate Jews". Again this isn't a "I hate Jews", its a "people hate them". In the second part of the sentence HM1 is reporting what he has heard without actually giving his opinion on it.|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you that people the world over hate Jews more than they fear Satan. In fact I've even heard people calling Jews Satan's offspring.Lisik was voicing nothing but utter hatred for the terrorists (and the Palestinians). Lisik was taking an extreme and uncompromising position; a mirror image of the position that extremist Palestinians take. Whilst these extremists are calling for death of their enemies, there will be no peace. What HM1 has said is broadly correct and even if you believe he is wrong, there's nothing anti-semitic about that comment.|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you this vicious cycle of violence still exists.This is as close as HM1 gets to anti-semitism (and it isn't even in the same solar system as anti-semitism) where he is actually expressing his own beliefs, but even here there isn't anything about all Jews should die, or any bollocks like that.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Lisik - Israel and it's people like you are why there will never be peace. You people think you are better than everyone else because the world has been "hands-off" on your land stealing, murdering, displacing, human rights violating, genocide furthering, and "screw you-we'll do what we want attitude".
HM1 believes that the Israeli's stole the land to begin with (which is a debate for another thread) and are now murdering, displacing... etc. To say that is not anti-semitism. There people being murdered by both sides, to try and say otherwise from either side is laughable. But no where and not once does HM discriminate against Jews, either as a religion, a race or an ethnic.
|AIA| - Please show me one instance in that post where HM1 is showing a hostility towards Jews (not Lisik the individual but the Jewish people) and I'll happily concede. Until you can, you shouldn't be rubbishing HM's arguments by falsely branding it anti-semitic. Your obviously an intelligent bloke, argue with what he's actually saying.
** Please note that the quotes that are assigned to |AIA| are actually HM's words but with |AIA| bolding up the letters to try and prove his point. **
Therefore, I don't need to show you where HM is being anti-semetic. But his comments about Israel are Anti-Semetic insofar as The Very Creation of the word Israel is from Hebrew text. Where the Children of Jacob, who changed his name to Israel, lived. The Children of Israel, heretofor called the Nation of Israel. Now the Land of Israel or the land of the Jews.
Thus, by stating you wish Israel to be completly destroyed, those comments smack of anti-semitism. If he stated that he simply disagreed with Israel's Policies, that would be something entirely different. But by stating that there should be No Nation of Israel, or that they should cease to exist. Is something else entirely.
BTW, Israel is a STATE not a NATION, and it is an illegal state at that...they still haven't returned the territories the UN ordered them to DECADES ago.
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No one said that you havering F*ck, Why don't you actually READ BEFORE YOU POST Of course you always spout off drivel, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.jonsimon wrote:
Shut up man. You're saying the NATION Israel can do whatever they want because the WORD is jewish. You're not even using logic anymore. I guess you ran out of arguments. He WAS saying that the nation Israel should not exist, in the current context of the discussion the word Israel refers to the nation of Israel. You lose an argument when you have to resort to semantics.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Firstly, To set the record straight, this thread was a 'Nuh Unh' to a previously closed thread. Where I stated that his comments 'Smelled like Anti-Semitism' I Never called him an Anti Semite.Jainus wrote:
Further to my earlier post, lets have a look at the post that started all this off with |AIA| helpfully stating his case.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution.
-Wikipedia.Lets all note the key part of this sentence; "I see why...", not why you deserve to be or anything even close. Only that HM1 can see why. Understanding someones point of view is not the same as agreeing with it.|AIA| DAS wrote:
HM1{N} said...
Lisik - it's because of people like you that I see why Israel will probably be nuked back to the stone age.There it is again, "I see why". Not "Mel hates you and i agree" but "I see why".|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you that I see why someone like Mel Gibson hates you."that people [all over] the world hate Jews". Again this isn't a "I hate Jews", its a "people hate them". In the second part of the sentence HM1 is reporting what he has heard without actually giving his opinion on it.|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you that people the world over hate Jews more than they fear Satan. In fact I've even heard people calling Jews Satan's offspring.Lisik was voicing nothing but utter hatred for the terrorists (and the Palestinians). Lisik was taking an extreme and uncompromising position; a mirror image of the position that extremist Palestinians take. Whilst these extremists are calling for death of their enemies, there will be no peace. What HM1 has said is broadly correct and even if you believe he is wrong, there's nothing anti-semitic about that comment.|AIA| DAS wrote:
It's because of people like you this vicious cycle of violence still exists.
This is as close as HM1 gets to anti-semitism (and it isn't even in the same solar system as anti-semitism) where he is actually expressing his own beliefs, but even here there isn't anything about all Jews should die, or any bollocks like that.
HM1 believes that the Israeli's stole the land to begin with (which is a debate for another thread) and are now murdering, displacing... etc. To say that is not anti-semitism. There people being murdered by both sides, to try and say otherwise from either side is laughable. But no where and not once does HM discriminate against Jews, either as a religion, a race or an ethnic.
|AIA| - Please show me one instance in that post where HM1 is showing a hostility towards Jews (not Lisik the individual but the Jewish people) and I'll happily concede. Until you can, you shouldn't be rubbishing HM's arguments by falsely branding it anti-semitic. Your obviously an intelligent bloke, argue with what he's actually saying.
** Please note that the quotes that are assigned to |AIA| are actually HM's words but with |AIA| bolding up the letters to try and prove his point. **
Therefore, I don't need to show you where HM is being anti-semetic. But his comments about Israel are Anti-Semetic insofar as The Very Creation of the word Israel is from Hebrew text. Where the Children of Jacob, who changed his name to Israel, lived. The Children of Israel, heretofor called the Nation of Israel. Now the Land of Israel or the land of the Jews.
Thus, by stating you wish Israel to be completly destroyed, those comments smack of anti-semitism. If he stated that he simply disagreed with Israel's Policies, that would be something entirely different. But by stating that there should be No Nation of Israel, or that they should cease to exist. Is something else entirely.
Nice sig you racist...referring to Palestinians as dogs with a nice Israeli Jewish girl standing there???|AIA| DAS wrote:
No one said that you havering F*ck, Why don't you actually READ BEFORE YOU POST Of course you always spout off drivel, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.jonsimon wrote:
Shut up man. You're saying the NATION Israel can do whatever they want because the WORD is jewish. You're not even using logic anymore. I guess you ran out of arguments. He WAS saying that the nation Israel should not exist, in the current context of the discussion the word Israel refers to the nation of Israel. You lose an argument when you have to resort to semantics.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Firstly, To set the record straight, this thread was a 'Nuh Unh' to a previously closed thread. Where I stated that his comments 'Smelled like Anti-Semitism' I Never called him an Anti Semite.
Therefore, I don't need to show you where HM is being anti-semetic. But his comments about Israel are Anti-Semetic insofar as The Very Creation of the word Israel is from Hebrew text. Where the Children of Jacob, who changed his name to Israel, lived. The Children of Israel, heretofor called the Nation of Israel. Now the Land of Israel or the land of the Jews.
Thus, by stating you wish Israel to be completly destroyed, those comments smack of anti-semitism. If he stated that he simply disagreed with Israel's Policies, that would be something entirely different. But by stating that there should be No Nation of Israel, or that they should cease to exist. Is something else entirely.
Your racist attitude towards those not Israeli really show...I have a feeling that anyone who sided with you before now see what you truly are...
Oh yeah, I'm the racist... *Yawn*HM1{N} wrote:
Nice sig you racist...referring to Palestinians as dogs with a nice Israeli Jewish girl standing there???|AIA| DAS wrote:
No one said that you havering F*ck, Why don't you actually READ BEFORE YOU POST Of course you always spout off drivel, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.jonsimon wrote:
Shut up man. You're saying the NATION Israel can do whatever they want because the WORD is jewish. You're not even using logic anymore. I guess you ran out of arguments. He WAS saying that the nation Israel should not exist, in the current context of the discussion the word Israel refers to the nation of Israel. You lose an argument when you have to resort to semantics.
Your racist attitude towards those not Israeli really show...I have a feeling that anyone who sided with you before now see what you truly are...
Clearly everyone can see that... Yet your the one with all the Hate Spewing Posts, Intresting...
Coming from the guy that combatted my post with cursing. Guess your bag of tricks is empty.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Oh yeah, I'm the racist... *Yawn*HM1{N} wrote:
Nice sig you racist...referring to Palestinians as dogs with a nice Israeli Jewish girl standing there???|AIA| DAS wrote:
No one said that you havering F*ck, Why don't you actually READ BEFORE YOU POST Of course you always spout off drivel, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Your racist attitude towards those not Israeli really show...I have a feeling that anyone who sided with you before now see what you truly are...
Clearly everyone can see that... Yet your the one with all the Hate Spewing Posts, Intresting...
MMMhMMM. BTW I specifically used the * so as not to be officially cursing, but if you would prefer.jonsimon wrote:
Coming from the guy that combatted my post with cursing. Guess your bag of tricks is empty.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Oh yeah, I'm the racist... *Yawn*HM1{N} wrote:
Nice sig you racist...referring to Palestinians as dogs with a nice Israeli Jewish girl standing there???
Your racist attitude towards those not Israeli really show...I have a feeling that anyone who sided with you before now see what you truly are...
Clearly everyone can see that... Yet your the one with all the Hate Spewing Posts, Intresting...
My bag of tricks and your head have something in common...
Again with the insults. And cursing is cursing, censored or not.|AIA| DAS wrote:
MMMhMMM. BTW I specifically used the * so as not to be officially cursing, but if you would prefer.jonsimon wrote:
Coming from the guy that combatted my post with cursing. Guess your bag of tricks is empty.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Oh yeah, I'm the racist... *Yawn*
Clearly everyone can see that... Yet your the one with all the Hate Spewing Posts, Intresting...
My bag of tricks and your head have something in common...
mmh you don't like dogs huHM1{N} wrote:
Nice sig you racist...referring to Palestinians as dogs with a nice Israeli Jewish girl standing there???
I just informed PETA about your statement
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ok sorry wrong forum, but I couldn't resist
DAS, open the link I provided. If the creation if Israel is correct according to their Bible (the Talmud...) then why do some jews fight that claim? Why do some deny the state of Israel has anything to do with the Talmud? Or aren't they "real" jews?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
So your saying that if HM said those statements, as his opinions, they would be anti-semitic. Correct? I've already shown you that there not his opinions but for the sake of your... interesting post. I've gleaned this from here to help you find where I'm looking:
And as an aside, there's only two statements that you could pin on HM as his opinions; the one where the "vicious cycle of violence" continues and "why there will never be peace". Neither of those statements are anti-semitic and even with HM conceding those statements as his opinions you still haven't proven the anti-semitism have you? But seen as how to concede that would be to sink your entire argument, I'll wait with anticipation for your retort.
In direct response to your answering comments to my post; I'm intrigued by this bit
Where i do agree with you is talk of Israel being "destroyed". But again, i think you've twisted his words; he's not calling for the Jews to be "destroyed", more that the state should be "destroyed" and I think its more a poor choice of words than anything else. A better one would have been "disbanded" rather than "destroyed", but this still does not in any way make him anti-semitic, only anti-Israel.
**My apologies to HM for putting all these words into his mouth and assuming what his position is; if any of the above is inaccurate, please correct where needed**
But you've never called him an anti-semite... oh really? Ok so whats this bit all about then...|AIA| DAS wrote:
If you read the post I said it smells like snti-semitism, as in those statements reek of anti-semitism. I never called anyone an anti-semite.
We've seen that in and of themselves, they are not opinions. From the posts that I've seen from HM, he does believe those statements to be true, so if we follow your nice little post here, you have called him an anti-semite haven't you? "If [HM] feel those statements to be true... they are by default your opinions" and as the statements "Smelled like Anti-Semitism", you have called him an anti-semite in a roundabout way (which i have to admit was nice and subtle). So... you still want to argue semantics, or do you want to concede that your posts have been over-zealous?|AIA| DAS wrote:
Is that, or is that not Your Opinion? If not where is the factual data, if you feel those statements to be true but have no data to back them up, they are by default your opinions.
And as an aside, there's only two statements that you could pin on HM as his opinions; the one where the "vicious cycle of violence" continues and "why there will never be peace". Neither of those statements are anti-semitic and even with HM conceding those statements as his opinions you still haven't proven the anti-semitism have you? But seen as how to concede that would be to sink your entire argument, I'll wait with anticipation for your retort.
In direct response to your answering comments to my post; I'm intrigued by this bit
We've just seen that you already have called him an anti-semite so I'll skip the first bit. Now then, the word 'Israel' and its origins are not what HM is arguing about. He is attacking the state of Israel, as in the government, military and its policies with regards to the surrounding environment. That little history lesson you've given bares no relevance to what he's actually said. Nice bit of research, but completely pointless when used here.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Therefore, I don't need to show you where HM is being anti-semitic. But his comments about Israel are Anti-Semetic insofar as The Very Creation of the word Israel is from Hebrew text. Where the Children of Jacob, who changed his name to Israel, lived. The Children of Israel, heretofor called the Nation of Israel. Now the Land of Israel or the land of the Jews.
So now we get to the real meat of the matter. As I've hopefully pointed out to you, it is with Israel's policies that HM has the problem. We've covered that it is entirely possible to be anti-Israel without being anti-semitic; your history lesson as proof of the link is frankly crap. To use a word's origins to link anti-Israel with anti-semitism leaves you in deep shit when Jews don't agree with Israel's policies and actions. What are you going to do? Call those Jews anti-semites? Interesting position you've now got yourself in.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Thus, by stating you wish Israel to be completly destroyed, those comments smack of anti-semitism. If he stated that he simply disagreed with Israel's Policies, that would be something entirely different. But by stating that there should be No Nation of Israel, or that they should cease to exist. Is something else entirely.
Where i do agree with you is talk of Israel being "destroyed". But again, i think you've twisted his words; he's not calling for the Jews to be "destroyed", more that the state should be "destroyed" and I think its more a poor choice of words than anything else. A better one would have been "disbanded" rather than "destroyed", but this still does not in any way make him anti-semitic, only anti-Israel.
**My apologies to HM for putting all these words into his mouth and assuming what his position is; if any of the above is inaccurate, please correct where needed**
As soon as you belive this is right, you can stop trying to 'liberate' other countries.aqempty wrote:
AND STOP WITH THOSE CRAP OF LIBERTY OF PALESTINE, BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
Remember Iraq? It seems America doesn't know what to do with Liberty.
DAS do you pick your racially charged statements and pictures out of a bag every morning? You can't expect anyone t take you seriously, calling people anti semitic while onpenly insulting communists, arabs, you're contradicting yourself. And your attitude stinks man, another person with no tolerance for anything outside his lifestyle?|AIA| DAS wrote:
MMMhMMM. BTW I specifically used the * so as not to be officially cursing, but if you would prefer.jonsimon wrote:
Coming from the guy that combatted my post with cursing. Guess your bag of tricks is empty.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Oh yeah, I'm the racist... *Yawn*
Clearly everyone can see that... Yet your the one with all the Hate Spewing Posts, Intresting...
My bag of tricks and your head have something in common...
No correction needed.Jainus wrote:
So your saying that if HM said those statements, as his opinions, they would be anti-semitic. Correct? I've already shown you that there not his opinions but for the sake of your... interesting post. I've gleaned this from here to help you find where I'm looking:But you've never called him an anti-semite... oh really? Ok so whats this bit all about then...|AIA| DAS wrote:
If you read the post I said it smells like snti-semitism, as in those statements reek of anti-semitism. I never called anyone an anti-semite.We've seen that in and of themselves, they are not opinions. From the posts that I've seen from HM, he does believe those statements to be true, so if we follow your nice little post here, you have called him an anti-semite haven't you? "If [HM] feel those statements to be true... they are by default your opinions" and as the statements "Smelled like Anti-Semitism", you have called him an anti-semite in a roundabout way (which i have to admit was nice and subtle). So... you still want to argue semantics, or do you want to concede that your posts have been over-zealous?|AIA| DAS wrote:
Is that, or is that not Your Opinion? If not where is the factual data, if you feel those statements to be true but have no data to back them up, they are by default your opinions.
And as an aside, there's only two statements that you could pin on HM as his opinions; the one where the "vicious cycle of violence" continues and "why there will never be peace". Neither of those statements are anti-semitic and even with HM conceding those statements as his opinions you still haven't proven the anti-semitism have you? But seen as how to concede that would be to sink your entire argument, I'll wait with anticipation for your retort.
In direct response to your answering comments to my post; I'm intrigued by this bitWe've just seen that you already have called him an anti-semite so I'll skip the first bit. Now then, the word 'Israel' and its origins are not what HM is arguing about. He is attacking the state of Israel, as in the government, military and its policies with regards to the surrounding environment. That little history lesson you've given bares no relevance to what he's actually said. Nice bit of research, but completely pointless when used here.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Therefore, I don't need to show you where HM is being anti-semitic. But his comments about Israel are Anti-Semetic insofar as The Very Creation of the word Israel is from Hebrew text. Where the Children of Jacob, who changed his name to Israel, lived. The Children of Israel, heretofor called the Nation of Israel. Now the Land of Israel or the land of the Jews.So now we get to the real meat of the matter. As I've hopefully pointed out to you, it is with Israel's policies that HM has the problem. We've covered that it is entirely possible to be anti-Israel without being anti-semitic; your history lesson as proof of the link is frankly crap. To use a word's origins to link anti-Israel with anti-semitism leaves you in deep shit when Jews don't agree with Israel's policies and actions. What are you going to do? Call those Jews anti-semites? Interesting position you've now got yourself in.|AIA| DAS wrote:
Thus, by stating you wish Israel to be completly destroyed, those comments smack of anti-semitism. If he stated that he simply disagreed with Israel's Policies, that would be something entirely different. But by stating that there should be No Nation of Israel, or that they should cease to exist. Is something else entirely.
Where i do agree with you is talk of Israel being "destroyed". But again, i think you've twisted his words; he's not calling for the Jews to be "destroyed", more that the state should be "destroyed" and I think its more a poor choice of words than anything else. A better one would have been "disbanded" rather than "destroyed", but this still does not in any way make him anti-semitic, only anti-Israel.
**My apologies to HM for putting all these words into his mouth and assuming what his position is; if any of the above is inaccurate, please correct where needed**
It's sad to see the hatred on here for other people that are not Jewish. DAS and Lisuk, and the others who make similar statements just don't get it...Israel is having to deal with all of this because of it's policies over the last 60 years.
Yes Israeli Jews need a home. I have never denied that; but to get that home by theft, and murder, and brute force is wrong. Putting aside religion, how can anyone as a human being, condone what the State of Israel has done to have a "home"?
I know this analogy has been used before, but it REALLY IS like this:
Today the U.N. states that all Muslims have a right to a home in Israel that is 50% of Israel's total land. This new state is called "Jannah". The U.S. then stops providing arms and repair parts to the Israeli Jews and arms the Muslims in Jannah with the latest weapons and technology.
The Muslims then decide they don't have enough land, and through wars with Israel, they take more. They then build a fence around the Israeli Jewish settlements, keeping the Israelis in and saying who and what can go where/when...
The Muslims grow, they decide they need more land so they go through the fence, bulldoze the houses with the Jews inside (killing the occupants), and use their military to kill anyone who stands in their way. They then move the fences and build settlements there, forcing the Jews that were displaced to live in squalor.
Those Jews, with no more military, decide they have nothing to live for and proceed to start blowing themselves up in Muslim cafes. The world and the U.S. labels them terrorists for fighting back the only way they can.
The Muslims then occupy Israel for 20 years, ignoring all U.N. resolutions requiring them to leave. They keep Jewish prisoners in Muslim Jails for 30 years until a right wing Christian group that was formed to protect Israeli Jews because of Muslim aggresion kidnaps 2 Muslim soldiers.
The Muslims from Jannah then invade Israel, and through relentless bombing and artillery level whole cities and towns, killing mostly civilians. The civilian to soldier death ratio is almost 100:1.
The world and the U.S. backs Jannah, stating that the Jews in Israel are terrorists because the fought back the only way they could.
How does that sound for an analogy?
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