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Sgt.Zubie wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

JaMDuDe wrote:

Muslims are taking over the world. I like to compare them to bunnies. They have the same reproduction rate and education. Majority of muslims are peaceful. But there are still over 100 million of them who want to kill all non-muslims and force everyone to follow their beliefs. And the majority of muslims who are peaceful probably dont want to stop them.

Over 100 million people who want to kill non-muslims? Well I know several and I have yet to experience a knife in my back. Come to think of it when I was in the West Bank in Palestine, hotbed of some of this fundamentalism, I also survived unscathed after wandering through the streets of several towns without any security whatseover. I even had lengthy conversations with several of them. I must have just gotten lucky. I'll know better next time. Thanks for the warning Jamdude.

But why would they want to hurt a scrawny pale Irishman...you're on there side don't get mad it's a joke...I saw it in the other thread.


edit...i forgot to add pale

LOL

Foxhoundmgw wrote:

Two points.

1. Very thought provoking as has already been said.
2. It's hate propaganda.

Why? Let me ask you a question in return.
If I state that Americans are fat lazy and obnoxious, with a lust to be the biggest power the world has seen or will ever see, how many flames will I get from people who are shocked and insulted by the statement?
And how many people will try to show me the error of that opinion?
How about if I said all blacks are killers and rapists? That would make me a hatemonger too.

But because this person uses the blanket term Muslims in this text, which is an amazing and insightful piece, on all other fronts..... people salute and cheer for him. And I find that sticks in my throat.

Dr Chong wrote:

Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"?

Those who know me will tell you I can offend anyone I talk to within 5 minutes of talking to them. Political Correctness is for those who's guilt complex dominates their choices IMO.

Accuracy however? That I give a shit about.

Thanks, you're the first one who disagreed to give a few reasons why.

I disagree it is hate propaganda though. Here's why, peaceful Muslims do nothing to stop the carnage, they sit on the sidelines either secretly hoping the extremist will prevail or are to scared to stand against them. Either way they do not deserve any special consideration.

Going by the undertones of the good Dr's email, the following statement is fully true.
The only peaceful Muslim is a dead Muslim.
By the same undertones, the next statement is also fully true
The only peaceful member of any creed or race, is a dead one.

Joshua wrote:

Shall We Play A Game?

Sgt.Zubie wrote:

Thanks, you're the first one who disagreed to give a few reasons why.

I disagree it is hate propaganda though. Here's why, peaceful Muslims do nothing to stop the carnage, they sit on the sidelines either secretly hoping the extremist will prevail or are to scared to stand against them. Either way they do not deserve any special consideration.

Not to be an asshole to you my man, but don't contradict your original post.

Dr Chong wrote:

5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no
difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see
http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm )

Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom hear of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or any others.

We can't assume that there are only the two 'camps' of 'peaceful Muslim' you mention, there is at the very least a possibility of a third camp: dead ones who stood up to the people investing their all into this 'Holy War against the Infidels'.

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

JaMDuDe wrote:

Muslims are taking over the world. I like to compare them to bunnies. They have the same reproduction rate and education. Majority of muslims are peaceful. But there are still over 100 million of them who want to kill all non-muslims and force everyone to follow their beliefs. And the majority of muslims who are peaceful probably dont want to stop them.

Over 100 million people who want to kill non-muslims? Well I know several and I have yet to experience a knife in my back. Come to think of it when I was in the West Bank in Palestine, hotbed of some of this fundamentalism, I also survived unscathed after wandering through the streets of several towns without any security whatseover. I even had lengthy conversations with several of them. And there was those times I went to Jordan and Morocco too. I must have just gotten lucky. I'll know better next time. Thanks for the warning Jamdude.

Similarly, a few of my friends and acquaintances have been to Iran, Lebanon, Egypt and Libya and most concurred that arabs were the kindest, most generous and most welcoming people they had met outside of IReland. The crafty buggers were obviously biding their time for the right moment to strike at the west and to kill us all with gigantic simitars!!

yeah boy, I bet those Muslims would be great at kids birthday parties.

I looked and I just can't seem to find any links on Muslim violence. Oh well I guess you are right.

First hand evidence proving generalisations to be incorrect. Everybody remember the difference between what a minority is and what a majority is?

Foxhound wrote:

Sgt.Hubie wrote:

Thanks, you're the first one who disagreed to give a few reasons why.

I disagree it is hate propaganda though. Here's why, peaceful Muslims do nothing to stop the carnage, they sit on the sidelines either secretly hoping the extremist will prevail or are to scared to stand against them. Either way they do not deserve any special consideration.

Not to be an asshole to you my man, but don't contradict your original post.

Dr Chang wrote:

5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no
difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see
http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm )

Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom hear of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or any others.

We can't assume that there are only the two 'camps' of 'peaceful Muslim' you mention, there is at the very least a possibility of a third camp: dead ones who stood up to the people investing their all into this 'Holy War against the Infidels'.

The original post is not my writing so I can not contradict it. I agree with most of it but not all. Actually I just threw it our for discussion, I'm still working daily on my own feelings.

-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

Most biased pile of rubbish I've read in a while.  Almost tops the Obsession film: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc … 2246845611

dude it dosen't affect your country, STAY THE FUCK AWAY from this thread.

It affects everyone. You are being the typical "ethnocentric yank" and it's that attitude that has got the US into the position it is in now.

Or would you like us Britons to start-up a thread discussing how the US was the second biggest source of funding for the IRA for 30 years and how every president and agency turned a blind eye to it?

No? Didn't think so. Sounds a little too much like Al-Qaeda and Afghanistan doesn't it?

You think you have the whole story. You think muslim extremists have no cause to be angry at your country. There is so much your government and news media have never told you about US foriegn policy over the last 60 years.

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Foxhoundmgw wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Come to think of it when I was in the West Bank in Palestine, hotbed of some of this fundamentalism, I also survived unscathed after wandering through the streets of several towns without any security whatseover. I even had lengthy conversations with several of them. And there was those times I went to Jordan and Morocco too. I must have just gotten lucky. I'll know better next time. Thanks for the warning Jamdude.

This is personal experience (and sarcasm). Most of us have seen pictures of Cameron in foreign lands.

lowing wrote:

yeah boy, I bet those Muslims would be great at kids birthday parties.

I looked and I just can't seem to find any links on Muslim violence. Oh well I guess you are right.

This is called... well, we all know what it is. But it might be deemed impolite of me to state it.

Come to think of it, I never got fucked in the ass by a redneck in 'britches' when I visited a friend in Alabama.

But because it happens in films and you can read of it happening on the internet, I must have just imagined I wasn't anally violated and Cameron really did get a 'Jihad on his ass'.

Thank you for showing us the error of our ways lowing.

Ahhh so I guess the middle east must be next on your family vacation huh??......If not, why the hell not, Cameronpoe did it just fine.

Last edited by lowing (2006-08-06 19:34:13)

Sgt.Zubie wrote:

2. Why were we attacked?

Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms.

I couldn't disgree more.

They are angry about 60 years of US foreign policy.

They are angry that US culture is steamrollering their own. I don't mean democracy and freedom. I mean christian values being forced upon muslims. I mean a starbucks and a mcdonalds on every streetcorner where a local trader used to make local traditional food and coffee. That their traditional cultural values are being forcefully replaced with the american worship of money and use of capitalism to justify everything, whille the US has spent 60 years working hard to ensure that no-one else has the freedoms and government that they want - instead the US has intervened time and again to ensure that foriegn governments are of a type most desirable to the US, not necssarily the local peoples.

Wouldn't you be angry? Wouldn't you want to strike at such an oppressor and try to get them to leave your countries affairs alone?

"Bullshit!" I hear you say?

Chile - the US installed Pinochet after toppling the democratically elected socialist government.
Venezuela.
Argentinas US-backed Military Junta installed after...etc.
Grenada - invaded because the locals democratically elected a socialist government.
Korea.
Vietnam.
Iraq - yes Saddam was one of your boys, installed so the shi-ite majority wouldn't get seats in a democratically elected government.
Spain.
Panama - not the invasion, but the guy you had to oust; Noreiga(sp?) was yours too.

And thats just off the top of my head.

In 1997 a former head of the CIA went on record to say that his primary post-WWII mission was to facilitiate the "dismantling" of the British and French commonwealths to strengthed US power. By admission that is *hundreds* of governments that the US had a hand in changing - for their own designs not the benefit of the locals.

You even had a hand in toppling Edward Heath's socialist government in Britain.

Supposedly one of your closest allies.

They are not jealous.

They. Are. ANGRY.

And they are convinced that they are fighting for their freedom from US oppression.

http://www.archives.gov/national-archiv … rters.html

Read those three documents. Think about how your government has acted during the last 60 years.

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