Actually, neither Hamas nor Hizballah take that line. They merely wish to kick Israel out of the Middle East. Even Al Qaeda's stated aim is merely to create a Muslim superstate.Sgt.Zubie wrote:
Until they decide not to kill all of us would be a start. You know the whole death to all infidels bit.
Will every one just try reading the friggen Koran.... Its in their text plain as day.Bubbalo wrote:
Actually, neither Hamas nor Hizballah take that line. They merely wish to kick Israel out of the Middle East. Even Al Qaeda's stated aim is merely to create a Muslim superstate.Sgt.Zubie wrote:
Until they decide not to kill all of us would be a start. You know the whole death to all infidels bit.
It also says other things regarding Jews and Christians that contradict what you're pointing out. Your point?Orion5413 wrote:
Will every one just try reading the friggen Koran.... Its in their text plain as day.Bubbalo wrote:
Actually, neither Hamas nor Hizballah take that line. They merely wish to kick Israel out of the Middle East. Even Al Qaeda's stated aim is merely to create a Muslim superstate.Sgt.Zubie wrote:
Until they decide not to kill all of us would be a start. You know the whole death to all infidels bit.
Have you read the Koran?Orion5413 wrote:
Will every one just try reading the friggen Koran.... Its in their text plain as day.
On page 2 you say you don't know the text of the Koran and now on page 3 you do? OK...
Back on topic...I think if more of us would try to understand what is driving this conflict we woulds be less willing to feel sorry for the poor terrorist. This conflict will never end. Peace in the middle east is a Joke.
Back on topic...I think if more of us would try to understand what is driving this conflict we woulds be less willing to feel sorry for the poor terrorist. This conflict will never end. Peace in the middle east is a Joke.
i don't know it extensively but I know parts.
All i can say is war is not a pretty thing. But Isreals actions are not justefiable
Orion: I say again, have you read the Koran?
I have yet to finish the book....there are only 114 Surans I have not finished reading it yet but I am getting thereBubbalo wrote:
Have you read the Koran?Orion5413 wrote:
Will every one just try reading the friggen Koran.... Its in their text plain as day.
How else to better understand thy neighbor and or friend / enemy?
So you can, then, give us a quote or two with page references?
Anybody here ever read the Old Testament? Here's a nice little story, told through the universally, um... endearing medium of Lego people. Click on the arrows to go through the story -- it takes about 2 minutes if you read slow, like me.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is not a good basis for judging all Christians by. Even the ones who claim to believe the Bible is the unedited, unaltered, inerrant Word of God.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is not a good basis for judging all Christians by. Even the ones who claim to believe the Bible is the unedited, unaltered, inerrant Word of God.
They who disbelieve ... such are rightful owners of the Fire, they will abide therein.--13:5
nothing major there the standard rant about if you dont belive you go to hell...
nothing major there the standard rant about if you dont belive you go to hell...
8:13 That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment.
Hmm. How much of that aid would go to the people, and how much to the fighters? Very hard to guess, eh?
8:67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
ok last one.....9:6 And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
ok last one.....9:6 And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.
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You made four posts in 5 minutes.
You could have just.....you know....... made 1 or edited the first one.
Anyway, I prefer my stance the whole religion thing, all are bad and they all have parts that can be interpreted as "kill the others".
You could have just.....you know....... made 1 or edited the first one.
Anyway, I prefer my stance the whole religion thing, all are bad and they all have parts that can be interpreted as "kill the others".
But instead of BREAKING its will, it's managed to multiply it. Bad idea.Orion5413 wrote:
Then why have they not done anything about them? It is called total war....A general in the union army thought that if you break the will of the population the army will no longer fight. In this case Israel is taking the war to the people. If they don't like being bombed by Israel then they should not have let hezbola attack Israel in the first place....
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
my bad got carried away....cleaning it up now
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im sick of this crap too ! i wish i was a giant with a giant buldozer so i would lift them all up and throw them to the floor ... go ahead fukkers keep the kill machine going til they are all DEAD < DEAD < DEAD < DEAD < DEAD ??? DEAD !!!!! damn i do enjoy my life Stop the MADNESS!
hezbollah aint terrorists, they are freedom fighters, the got created last time israel messed around in libanon. israel is all bloody wrong here and hezbollah got a right to fight them.
Or maybe they think that hiding behind civilians will force IDF forces to take them on with ground troops, man to man since they conventionally stand no chance vs IDFs military might? They're using WW2 relics vs 20th century technology, fighting conventionally is not an option. Obviously this fails and the term 'civilian shield' is meaningless since Israel will bomb the shit out of you no matter where you are or who you are hiding behind. Civilian shield, more like civilian napkin.ATG wrote:
I'll take that to mean you having nothing intelligent to say and realize that you are in over your head.jonsimon wrote:
I considered arguing with you bumble heads but I realized you're all far too past the point of no return.Skrup, love you man but you fail here to see the point.Skruples wrote:
Say what you will about Hizbollah, I'm not going to argue. Just don't delude yourself into thinking that bombing schoolchildren is going to help Israel win any wars. It's been said many times, the people that Israel really wants to kill, the terrorists, thrive on civilian deaths. Israel will lose all semblance of moral superiority if they continue on the path they've chosen.
Hizbollah sets up rocket launchers next to schools hoping that civilians get killed because they know it plays on good peoples heart strings, like yourself.
It may be that to end the terrorism we/Israel must end the teachings of hate in the Muslim schools, and if that means killing every man, woman and child who is brain washed into believing that the Jews must die, so be it, I guess...
Again, Muslims living in Israel enjoy more civil right than do Muslims living under Sharia, and if Israel started displaying imperialistic tendancies by invading other countries for land I would support bombing Tel Aviv.
Why don't you think this over logically in your head and figure out what you would do if you were a small organization facing a relatively massive army. You'll soon realize that you don't have a lot of options. I'm not excusing Hizbollahs activities, all i care about is civilian casualities.
Who's killing more innocents, the Hizbollah or Israel?
Israel.
Who is making sure terrorism will be around for decades to come.
Israel.
The Old Testament foretells the coming of Christ after that we have the New Testament where Christ teaches Love and Peace...spastic bullet wrote:
Anybody here ever read the Old Testament? Here's a nice little story, told through the universally, um... endearing medium of Lego people. Click on the arrows to go through the story -- it takes about 2 minutes if you read slow, like me.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is not a good basis for judging all Christians by. Even the ones who claim to believe the Bible is the unedited, unaltered, inerrant Word of God.
Jesus says love your enemies
Mohammad teaches kill your enemies
Are there crazy Christians who justify murder? Sure, there are some.
What's my point? Militant/extreme Islam is a problem for all peace loving free people.
I guess USA is an Islamic country since we sure as hell do not love our enemies, we blow em up.Sgt.Zubie wrote:
Jesus says love your enemies
Mohammad teaches kill your enemies
Militant/extreme anything is a problem for all peace loving free people. The number of "crazy Christians who justify murder" is a matter of perspective. I wouldn't want anybody thinking GWB represents my religion.Sgt.Zubie wrote:
The Old Testament foretells the coming of Christ after that we have the New Testament where Christ teaches Love and Peace...spastic bullet wrote:
Anybody here ever read the Old Testament? Here's a nice little story, told through the universally, um... endearing medium of Lego people. Click on the arrows to go through the story -- it takes about 2 minutes if you read slow, like me.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is not a good basis for judging all Christians by. Even the ones who claim to believe the Bible is the unedited, unaltered, inerrant Word of God.
Jesus says love your enemies
Mohammad teaches kill your enemies
Are there crazy Christians who justify murder? Sure, there are some.
What's my point? Militant/extreme Islam is a problem for all peace loving free people.
Isn't the Old Testament as much a part of the Christian Bible as the New? And isn't it also the part of the Bible Christians share with Judaism, and therefore arguably more relevant than the New, in this context?
I'll be honest -- I don't think a lot of Christians even try to be even-handed in this particular dispute. They almost always seem to want to side with Israel, no matter what the facts are. If anybody here is a Christian, good for you, but tell me so I know before we start discussing this.
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Thank God none of you are or ever will be world leaders. Civilian deaths are part of any war. I bet you that you would've argued against the US's involement in WW2 had we killed a few civilians in Nazi Germany. Isreal has been attacked and threatened throughout the decades and they are responding like they should...relentlessly. They are surrounded by countries that harbor terrorists that regularly attack Isreal, and there are even countries such as Iran proclaiming the annihilation of Isreal. They are responding the way the US should've responded after 9/11.