BF2S Forums What does it mean to be anti-semitic?

|AIA| DAS wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:

Agreed...

Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution.
-Wikipedia

HM1{N} said...



Lisik - it's because of people like you that I see why Israel will probably be nuked back to the stone age.

It's because of people like you that I see why someone like Mel Gibson hates you.

It's because of people like you that people the world over hate Jews more than they fear Satan.  In fact I've even heard people calling Jews Satan's offspring.

It's because of people like you this vicious cycle of violence still exists.

Lisik - Israel and it's people like you are why there will never be peace.  You people think you are better than everyone else because the world has been "hands-off" on your land stealing, murdering, displacing, human rights violating, genocide furthering, and "screw you-we'll do what we want attitude". 

Frankly, the world is about at it's limit with the Israeli injustices on a day to day basis.  In case you didn't notice, even the U.S. has recently started condemning Israel's actions.  One of these days Israel will have to go it alone, and cease to exist...


People like you....?? In your Opinion...etc. etc.

There is nothing there that says I'm anti-semitic...that isn't even a valid argument you posted.

Is that, or is that not Your Opinion?  If not where is the factual data, if you feel those statements to be true but have no data to back them up, they are by default your opinions.

Are you serious?  There is no data?  o noes this is going to blow up in a minute with data

Ir0n-M@n wrote:

i personally hate israels politics and wars against lower countries and i just love that germany cannot say anything against their politics or politicians because the next thing happening is some journalist or israelite shouting "anti-semitism" "holocoust part2" blablabla -.-

Lower countries? And what do you think Israel is? Freaking Russia, or China? or UK? or The States? Israel happens to be a non-developed country! Have you even been there? There's nothing but sand and old buildings! Of course they have developed sciences and technology, but the country itself is  poorer than Mexico! (and believe me, that's too much to say!) The arab countries, those are rich countries compared to Israel. The problem is that the educational level happens to be lame there, and their governments are as corrupted as the mexican government is!(lol). Israel's way of life happens to be modern and occidental styled compared to the Middle-east standard, but they have no money; I really dont think they are a developed country. Not as France, Sweeden or Germany at all! So, dont tell me they are abusing "lower countries". Cmon! you can do better than that!




Semper Fi!

Last edited by Trooper_Collider (2006-08-03 16:05:53)

I am Jewish.  And I think the government in Israel is wrong.  I've had all kinds of bullshit come at me from some of my family who ARE moderate zionists, I don't care.  I fail to see the logic in the self defence argument, since Israel has claimed the old Palestinian land as theirs.  It doesn't matter that the Arabs fought and lost, this is not the 19th century, and recognized borders should be decided by diplomatic means not war.  When so much is at stake, ie global destruction, who can argue that.  I have sympathy for Jewish people, and any people in trouble, but I am a sceptic of governments and how they run intel and military.  There is no reason, other than the fact that it's a Jewish country, that I should support what has and is happening, it's straight up Bullshit.  Anyone with a basic understanding of problem solving will tell you it's going nowhere but backwards.  I think Israel should leaave those settlements in West bank, perhaps hand them over as good will or at least a portion to the Palestinians and expect a higher standard of conduct.  I've been there to visit family, most of it was barren like mars but some valleys had lush orchards.  I had no Idea at all at the time that most of the trip we drove in and out of the west bank.  It's startling how much weaponry is in that tiny country.  On the hill roads there are pillboxes everywhere, you only have to concentrate a bit to notice them..  Everywhere.  We flew in to a strip in the desert near elat that used to be a military base.  On every corner in Jerusalem at least, there is a jewish soldier on guard with an m16 and or an uzi.  Some have bayonets on.  There is a strong sentiment in the military against what has been ordered by the irrational government.  The world should listen to the soldiers that have aligned and petitioned to stop occupying West Bank, they say it's wrong, people are just living in shit conditions, there is a high chance of revolt.  Israel has put Jewish people in harm's way, military and civilian,  in accordance with their twisted agenda.  More Jewish settlements are being built in the West Bank than in Israel.  It's a deliberate strategy, meanwhile the new settlements take facilities and cut off the rest of the WB from power, water, medical, markets for food etc.
I can't possibly agree with the government.   
If you call me an anti semite then you're pretty dim since I am Jewish myself.

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-08-03 14:09:31)

HM1{N} wrote:

Trooper_Collider wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

Does anti-semitism now of a sudden also mean that if you are against Israel you are anti-semitic?  I know I'm only an educated person with a high IQ, but I don't see the correlation...

So, can anyone else come up with a definition of anti-semitism that is actually TRUE?

Geez! and you say you have high IQ? Hello? The correlation is that Israel happens to be the JEWISH STATE! If you don't understand that then you dont understand nothing about the Jewish people and its history. Dont you listen to the news? They say all the time things like: "The jewish army", "The hebrew forces ", "The israelite defenses", etc. Why? Bcoz almost all people that live in Israel are JEWISH!! So, if you are against Israel, you are experiencing a form of antisemitism called: "Antizionism". And dont tell me that "Some of my best friends are jewish" coz that's a form of antisemitism too!


Semper Fi!

anti-zionism does NOT equal anti-semitism.  If you think that, then I suggest you look up the meaning.

Israel being a Jewish state has nothing to do with making me anti-semitic.  By your logic, since I don't like a lot of things the U.S. government does, and I speak out against them, then I am: anti-catholic...protestant...christian...asian...chinese...baptist...democratic (<--- that may be true)...etc, etc, etc...in other words you are saying I am a total racist and hate everyone.  Not really logical, huh?

Now remember, by saying I am anti-semitic you are basically implying I'm a Jewish racist.  Don't think my Jewish ex would agree with you there buddy.

Yeah, but we dont happen to say about America (USA) things like: "The WASP State" (that would be being anti-american), or "The Protestant State", or "The Baptist State". The fact is that when we call Israel "The Jewish State" is bcoz the history of its foundation itself is based on profound and deep jewish religious values that led jews from all over the world to create their modern state. Do you know what's their Constitution? The Bible and the Talmud for Xhrist sake! (Lol, and the say they are modern people). We cant talk about Israel without talking about religion(s), sionism, diaspore, Holocaust, dozens of wars, masssive immigrations (aliyah-return to Israel), IDF, you name it! It's all history about the jewish people! The very foundation of their political concept (Sionism) it's religious based. "...When the jews return to Zion...". I understand what you mean, and I happen to agree, but unfortunately due to the context we are dealing with here, almost all people all the time when talking about Israel do it with a deep antisemite feeling due to religious differences (you know, the jews are the guys that killed Christ and so on). One thing I'd say about israelies (not israelites) is that they're nuts indeed, (no offense) but that's a different story.

Semper Fi!

Last edited by Trooper_Collider (2006-08-03 16:09:30)

Trooper_Collider...just stop. Your barely legible posts don't prove any sort of point, let alone a reasonable one, and you mentioned something about being anti-Mexican while crying about anti-Zionism being anti-Semitism. Good day.

Last edited by Ikarti (2006-08-03 17:50:21)

Trooper_Collider wrote:

Ir0n-M@n wrote:

i personally hate israels politics and wars against lower countries and i just love that germany cannot say anything against their politics or politicians because the next thing happening is some journalist or israelite shouting "anti-semitism" "holocoust part2" blablabla -.-

Lower countries? And what do you think Israel is? Freaking Russia, or China? or UK? or The States? Israel happens to be a non-developed country! Have you even been there? There's nothing but sand and old buildings! Of course they have developed sciences and technology, but the country itself is  poorer than Mexico! (and believe me, that's too much to say!) The arab countries, those are rich countries compared to Israel. The problem is that the educational level happens to be lame there, and their governments are as corrupted as the mexican government is!(lol). Israel's way of life happens to be modern and occidental styled compared to the Middle-east standard, but they have no money; I really dont think they are a developed country. Not as France, Sweeden or Germany at all! So, dont tell me they are abusing "lower countries". Cmon! you can do better than that!

P.S.: I may sound anti-mexican, but that's a different threat.


Semper Fi!

Uh. We give them 2 billion a year in aid. They ain't poor.

Trooper_Collider wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

Does anti-semitism now of a sudden also mean that if you are against Israel you are anti-semitic?  I know I'm only an educated person with a high IQ, but I don't see the correlation...

So, can anyone else come up with a definition of anti-semitism that is actually TRUE?

Geez! and you say you have high IQ? Hello? The correlation is that Israel happens to be the JEWISH STATE! If you don't understand that then you dont understand nothing about the Jewish people and its history. Dont you listen to the news? They say all the time things like: "The jewish army", "The hebrew forces ", "The israelite defenses", etc. Why? Bcoz almost all people that live in Israel are JEWISH!! So, if you are against Israel, you are experiencing a form of antisemitism called: "Antizionism". And dont tell me that "Some of my best friends are jewish" coz that's a form of antisemitism too!


Semper Fi!

Saying that Anti-Semite means Anti-Jewish is a well know misnomer.

That's like saying 'Anti-Arab' means 'Anti-Muslim'.

IfAnti-Zionism is as form of Anti-Semitism then support for forced overthrowing of the Taleban and Saddam's Regime is Anti-Islamist, and therefore Anti-Muslim and therefore Anti-Arab and therefore racist.  If your logic stands up, that is.

HM1{N} wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:

PuckMercury wrote:

so let me get this straight.  You made an entire thread to say, "Nuh-uh!!" ??

Agreed...

Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution.
-Wikipedia

HM1{N} said...



Lisik - it's because of people like you that I see why Israel will probably be nuked back to the stone age.

It's because of people like you that I see why someone like Mel Gibson hates you.

It's because of people like you that people the world over hate Jews more than they fear Satan.  In fact I've even heard people calling Jews Satan's offspring.

It's because of people like you this vicious cycle of violence still exists.

Lisik - Israel and it's people like you are why there will never be peace.  You people think you are better than everyone else because the world has been "hands-off" on your land stealing, murdering, displacing, human rights violating, genocide furthering, and "screw you-we'll do what we want attitude". 

Frankly, the world is about at it's limit with the Israeli injustices on a day to day basis.  In case you didn't notice, even the U.S. has recently started condemning Israel's actions.  One of these days Israel will have to go it alone, and cease to exist...


People like you....?? In your Opinion...etc. etc.

There is nothing there that says I'm anti-semitic...that isn't even a valid argument you posted.

Sorry, he pwned you and wins the argument, imop

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_Semitism

Wikipedia wrote:

Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution.

Is Lisik banned?

you're trying to piss people off, aren't you ...

jonsimon wrote:

DesertFox423 wrote:

From what I'm reading here, the Jews don't have a right to their own country and shouldn't be allowed to exist in the region?

The Jews have a right to whatever they can take. If they form a country on their own, they have a right to maintain that country. However, the UN created Israel, and Israel has no right to exist on land the UN did not have the jurisdiction to give. Israel is a travesty of a nation and should be disbanded, the people there, however, should be left in peace.

do you grasp how contradictory what you just said is?  I mean completely and utterly self destructive paradoxical kind of contradictory?