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2006-08-04 20:43:34
spastic bullet
would like to know if you are on crack
+77|6783|vancouver

Orion5413 wrote:

Then why have they not done anything about them? It is called total war....A general in the union army thought that if you break the will of the population the army will no longer fight. In this case Israel is taking the war to the people. If they don't like being bombed by Israel then they should not have let hezbola attack Israel in the first place....
Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion


Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but understand exactly what it is you're talking about.
2006-08-04 20:44:31
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6772|Global Command
Fancy [ pants ] Pollux     ftw!
2006-08-04 21:21:43
jonsimon
Member
+224|6738

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Israel is doing what needs to be done, and what everyone else is afraid to do. There should be no pussy-footing around with a country that harbors terrorists.
QFE!

All the rest of you are pussys! Along with those Muslim fanatic terrorists, some call men. Reach down and grab whats between your legs. Nothing there? Your a pussy.
Sorry, could you move your head first? It's hard to feel around down there with you sucking.
2006-08-04 21:24:56
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889

jonsimon wrote:

Sorry, could you move your head first? It's hard to feel around down there with you sucking.
And if you look to your left, ladies and gentlemen, you will see a failed attempt at being funny.
2006-08-04 21:28:04
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6770|Portland, OR USA
that's twice in one night.

Am I failing or are you succeeding, FP?
2006-08-04 21:30:51
jonsimon
Member
+224|6738

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Sorry, could you move your head first? It's hard to feel around down there with you sucking.
And if you look to your left, ladies and gentlemen, you will see a failed attempt at being funny.
Try witty, and its a pretty harsh insult actually. Far more clever than the original poster.

I considered arguing with you bumble heads but I realized you're all far too past the point of no return.
2006-08-04 21:34:27
Orion5413
Member
+4|6930|Irving Tx

spastic bullet wrote:

Orion5413 wrote:

Then why have they not done anything about them? It is called total war....A general in the union army thought that if you break the will of the population the army will no longer fight. In this case Israel is taking the war to the people. If they don't like being bombed by Israel then they should not have let hezbola attack Israel in the first place....
Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion


Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but understand exactly what it is you're talking about.
I do know what I am talking about, use your definition and apply it to hezbala? Israel is just responding in kind....
2006-08-04 21:46:21
spastic bullet
would like to know if you are on crack
+77|6783|vancouver
Sorry, I don't mean to imply you don't know what you're talking about.

But just to clarify, are you saying terrorism is justified, as a response to terrorism?
2006-08-04 21:55:08
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889

spastic bullet wrote:

Sorry, I don't mean to imply you don't know what you're talking about.

But just to clarify, are you saying terrorism is justified, as a response to terrorism?
Yes, because a military invasion is exactly what terrorism is. Just like when the U.S. invaded Iraq.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-08-04 21:55:46)

2006-08-04 22:05:26
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6952|Wilmington, DE, US
Congratulations! You've just argued for terrorism!
2006-08-04 22:09:57
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6908|NT, like Mick Dundee

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Flecco wrote:

We should stop pussyfooting around with terrorist harboring countries eh? Well, almost every country on earth harbors terrorists. Weather they know it or not...
How often do you see France launching Qassam rockets into Germany?
France has better rockets to use... But that's beside the point (and Germany would kick their asses again...).

Israel didn't use diplomatic means to work with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah with their blessing? Because that's what we did in Australia after the Bali bombings (Yes, Australians were some of the intended targets in that attack....).

Ikarti, drugs are bad for your brain dude.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2006-08-04 22:11:38
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6952|Wilmington, DE, US

Flecco wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Flecco wrote:

We should stop pussyfooting around with terrorist harboring countries eh? Well, almost every country on earth harbors terrorists. Weather they know it or not...
How often do you see France launching Qassam rockets into Germany?
France has better rockets to use... But that's beside the point (and Germany would kick their asses again...).

Israel didn't use diplomatic means to work with the Lebanese government to get rid of Hezbollah with their blessing? Because that's what we did in Australia after the Bali bombings (Yes, Australians were some of the intended targets in that attack....).

Ikarti, drugs are bad for your brain dude.
Were you paying attention to the context of the statement, perchance?
2006-08-04 22:12:19
spastic bullet
would like to know if you are on crack
+77|6783|vancouver

Orion5413 wrote:

... Israel is just responding in kind....

spastic bullet, responding to the above, wrote:

...are you saying terrorism is justified, as a response to terrorism?

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Yes, because a military invasion is exactly what terrorism is. Just like when the U.S. invaded Iraq.
Think you're maybe putting words in my mouth a little, here.  Just a little.

But if it's a discussion about semantics you want, then no -- technically that was shock&awe-ism, which is totally different.
2006-08-04 22:13:17
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6952|Wilmington, DE, US
How come no one talks about SHOCK AND AWE anymore?
2006-08-04 22:13:53
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889

spastic bullet wrote:

technically that was shock&awe-ism, which is totally different.
https://www.shock-em.com/shocker.gif

Totally different indeed.
2006-08-04 22:27:06
Skruples
Mod Incarnate
+234|6943
There seems to be a double standard being thrown around by alot of the Israel supporters. I'm not going to make any judgements about whether Israel is justified in attacking Lebanon, but heres the way it looks.

Hizbollah attacks Israel by launching attacks on civilian centers. They are branded terrorists. I'm not going to dispute this.

Israel counters by launching attacks on Lebanon, targetting primarily civilian centers, and killing primarily civilians. This is written off as a justifiable military tactic, and furthermore the Lebanese brought it on themselves by allowing Hizbollah to launch attacks. Do you see where I'm going with this? Why isn't Hizbollah in turn justified in attacking Israeli civilians for the same reason? After all, they're "allowing" the Israeli military to kill civilians. An eye for an eye is not going to work.

Again, before I get flamed for being a scum-sucking terrorist-loving hippie, I am not disputing Israel's justification for the conflict. However, given Israel's vast military advantage, I find it hard to believe they are incapable of killing less civilians. Furthermore, it is my belief that they're just making their situation much worse by making themselves seem like the bad guys in the eyes of the middle east. What is the average Middle Easterner going to see when he watches the local version of their news? He's going to see alot of dead Lebanese civilians, killed by a country that many influential people are telling them doesn't have a right to exist.

This isn't World War 2. This isn't even Vietnam. The wholesale bombing of civilian targets should not be considered appropriate strategy when attempting to deal with a stark minority of the population. I've made this analogy before, but it fell upon deaf ears. It would be like the United States police throwing a few hundred random people in jail because some criminals happened to operate in their neighborhood. Would you consider that appropriate? Of course not. But somehow it's ok when Israel does it.

Say what you will about Hizbollah, I'm not going to argue. Just don't delude yourself into thinking that bombing schoolchildren is going to help Israel win any wars. It's been said many times, the people that Israel really wants to kill, the terrorists, thrive on civilian deaths. Israel will lose all semblance of moral superiority if they continue on the path they've chosen.
2006-08-04 22:52:24
Sgt.Zubie
Member
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Israel is not being tough enough IMO. Neither are we.
2006-08-04 22:54:48
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
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Sgt.Zubie wrote:

Israel is not being tough enough IMO. Neither are we.
Not tough enough until every Arab's dead?
2006-08-04 23:06:40
Sgt.Zubie
Member
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Until they decide not to kill all of us would be a start. You know the whole death to all infidels bit.
2006-08-04 23:16:46
Orion5413
Member
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spastic bullet wrote:

Sorry, I don't mean to imply you don't know what you're talking about.

But just to clarify, are you saying terrorism is justified, as a response to terrorism?
When you say unlawful who's law are you using? In Islam they are taught that there can never be peace between Jews and Muslims I think it in Saran 9. In Saran 2 (I think 2.9 something) they are taught if they cant convert you they must kill you.

We all know about an eye for an eye.

So  who is being unlawful. Both hezbela and Israel are doing what they believe is right.


What Israel is doing is simply responding in kind. If they where not attacked in the first place then there would be no fighting.

What hezbula did is terrorism what is Israel is doing is called war. Do you see the difference. Israel is not hiding behind another country .... They are openly attacking their enemies. Who have attacked them with no cause to do so. I am not sure you understand, but the rule of law will always allow you to defend yourself when being attacked. No matter what country your in.
2006-08-04 23:28:35
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6952|Wilmington, DE, US

Orion5413 wrote:

spastic bullet wrote:

Sorry, I don't mean to imply you don't know what you're talking about.

But just to clarify, are you saying terrorism is justified, as a response to terrorism?
When you say unlawful who's law are you using? In Islam they are taught that there can never be peace between Jews and Muslims I think it in Saran 9. In Saran 2 (I think 2.9 something) they are taught if they cant convert you they must kill you.

We all know about an eye for an eye.

So  who is being unlawful. Both hezbela and Israel are doing what they believe is right.


What Israel is doing is simply responding in kind. If they where not attacked in the first place then there would be no fighting.

What hezbula did is terrorism what is Israel is doing is called war. Do you see the difference. Israel is not hiding behind another country .... They are openly attacking their enemies. Who have attacked them with no cause to do so. I am not sure you understand, but the rule of law will always allow you to defend yourself when being attacked. No matter what country your in.
They are attacking Lebanon. Lebanon is not their enemy. Hezbollah is.

And from what I understand, the Caliphate was far more accepting of Jews than Europe during the middle ages. Doesn't sound "kill'em all" to me.
2006-08-04 23:31:03
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6772|Global Command

jonsimon wrote:

I considered arguing with you bumble heads but I realized you're all far too past the point of no return.
I'll take that to mean you having nothing intelligent to say and realize that you are in over your head.

Skruples wrote:

Say what you will about Hizbollah, I'm not going to argue. Just don't delude yourself into thinking that bombing schoolchildren is going to help Israel win any wars. It's been said many times, the people that Israel really wants to kill, the terrorists, thrive on civilian deaths. Israel will lose all semblance of moral superiority if they continue on the path they've chosen.
Skrup, love you man but you fail here to see the point.

Hizbollah sets up rocket launchers next to schools hoping that civilians get killed because they know it plays on good peoples heart strings, like yourself.
     It may be that to end the terrorism we/Israel must end the teachings of hate in the Muslim schools, and if that means killing every man, woman and child who is brain washed into believing that the Jews must die, so be it, I guess...
    Again, Muslims living in Israel enjoy more civil right than do Muslims living under Sharia, and if Israel started displaying imperialistic tendancies by invading other countries for land I would support bombing Tel Aviv.
2006-08-04 23:32:48
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6804
Here's a thought: the rockets are being fired from southern Lebanon.  Beirut isn't in southern Lebanon.  If they want to cut off supply, why are they attacking Beirut?
2006-08-04 23:34:33
Orion5413
Member
+4|6930|Irving Tx
They are attacking lebannon becuse lebannon will not stop hezbula. You may be right about the Caliphate... I am afraid I have not studied that part of history yet. Care to answer about the koran though. I have posed my question to many muslims about the surans and contradictions in the koran but yet not one has ever answer me. I am sorry if I assumed wrong that you are muslim.
2006-08-04 23:37:06
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6952|Wilmington, DE, US
I'm not Muslim, but I know a number of them, and they are not hostile towards me nor demanding I convert. They have not tried to suicide bomb me. They just want to be left alone like everyone else.

I don't know what the Quran says exactly, but I know it's filled with contradictions, along with every other religious text.

 

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