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Poseidon wrote:

Last I checked, it wasn't israel wanting to destroy all countries around them. The majority of arab countries want israel wiped off the planet.

No, Israel's the one stealing the land.

FoShizzle wrote:

Completely comical, the French will "condemn" their actions while at the same time selling them components of the equipment necessary to enrich the damned uranium.  Example - Iraq.

uh, you mean Iran.

Good point and when the first nuclear bomb or dirty bomb strikes Israel what will these guys say then - probably will be hard to find the cowards who hide behind their keyboards of mass stupidity

Kaboom.

Bubbalo wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Last I checked, it wasn't israel wanting to destroy all countries around them. The majority of arab countries want israel wiped off the planet.

No, Israel's the one stealing the land.

Stealing eh?   Every country has stolen land at one time or another.

jonsimon wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

You'd also be incited to resistence through whatever means necessary if you were born in an oppressed pseudo state under the military rule of your neighboring country.

As for your comment with WWII, you're not making sense. I can't even understand what you're trying to say. Try being more descriptive.

Yes, because blowing yourself is totally the answer to everything. I really don't understand why they couldn't have settled it through diplomacy. Perhaps it's their brute nature (Which you are all supporting) in which they hate anyone non-muslim. Including you. And yet, you seem to support them. And don't even pull the "Oh, well Israel is a terrorist org. too because they killed civilians!" EVERY WAR HAS CIVILIAN CASUALTIES. There's just a difference on who's doing it intentionally (Hamas/hezbollah) and who's not.

And on my comment about WWII, I was talking about the 2K in pearl harbor. You're right, I forgot to add that.

Was entering a war and totally wiping out most of europe and germany disproportionate response to having 2K people killed at Pearl Harbor? I wouldn't say so, as it was necessary to stop the war. So was the Atomic Bomb. It's just like todays situation.

How can the Palestinians negotiate? Israel is wiping them off the earth. You can't negotiate with a bulldozer or a gun. The Palestinians have no resort but to rebel through violent means and attract as much attention to their plight as possible.

As for intent, Israel is wholesale bombing residential and suburban areas. Unless you believe every single person in Lebannon (including the children, elderly, and newborns) is a terrorist millitant, then Israel is intentionally targeting citizens as well.

In WWII, the US never wiped out anyone besides the two Japenese cities hit by the bombs. Which, by the way, were a disproportionate response and should not have happened. Japan was willing to surrender before we dropped the bomb, and Pearl harbor was preventable.

Whatever your smoking I want some. Man if you believe all that shit that comes out your arse you must be tripping.

AAFCptKabbom wrote:

FoShizzle wrote:

Completely comical, the French will "condemn" their actions while at the same time selling them components of the equipment necessary to enrich the damned uranium.  Example - Iraq.

uh, you mean Iran.

Good point and when the first nuclear bomb or dirty bomb strikes Israel what will these guys say then - probably will be hard to find the cowards who hide behind their keyboards of mass stupidity

Kaboom.

Actually, it was Iraq that the French sold the reactor to.  That was about a decade or more ago, I can't remember the exact year though.  However, the reactor had an unfortunate encounter with an Israeli missile before it could be set up.

I think youll find the UN observers emailed saying they were observing hezbolla static rocket positions being set up in and around the compound, and that it was no longer safe to patrol.

Next the atomic bomb. The japanese were releasing videos proud of the fact that in schools they had drills were a siren went off then everybody ran outside, with 10ft sharpened bamboo sticks and started stabbing the air. This was a drill for when US paratroopers landed.

your right you know they were ready to surrendur, pearl harbour was preventable (isnt hindsight great) and no they didnt really land on the moon / the US capture hundreds of aliens every day and hide them [/sarcasm]

The US looked at how many men it took to take each little Island and estimated they would suffer over 3 million (ish lol, point being many many more than died in the bombs) casualties before they conquered japan that was why they were allowed to do it.

WW1, one terrorist assasinates some little countries leader. Germany and Russia have a huge War, millions die started by an assasination in a pretty much unrelated country in the balklands. Point being these wars dont just start over the even in question, its everything that builds up to it, the event itself is just a catalyst, it tips the countries over the edge and war spreads.

America never killed 1 innocent in WW2 except with the atom bombs? really? prove it. Secondly WW2 was between Germany and Russia. no really. sure other countries had fisticuffs but ww2 was germany vs Russia. So wouldnt it make more sense to see whether they killed any civilians. oooo wait a minute what about the Blitz, so right Germany dropped thousands of tonnes of bombs on English cities.......no civilians were harmed lukily [/sarcasm]

Is it ok to blow up an ammunition factory?
Is it ok to blow up a Gun factory?
Is it ok to blow up a tank factory?
Is it ok to blow up a soldier factory?..........think about it.......





Also have you ever heard of a German Jew strapping themselves with explosives and blowing up a restaurant?

Have you heard of a person of any other religion blowing up school kids?

Other religions can live without attacking us westerners. There are better ways to get your point across.

Imagine it. Oil prices go up which means they add an extra 1p per litre, hundreds of schools train stations and night clubs are blown up with suicide bombs from angry commuters. Im sorry but they are all soft in the head. Ill never understand them.

If they really wanted to get along they could do. Obviously they dont want to atm.

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2006-08-04 16:31:03)

Never heard of a Mexican blowing himself up in the States to regain land lost in the Mexican -American war. Mexico conceded and went about their business. I'm of Mexican decent and born American, so why dont I have the urge to get all militant and blow Americans up. Why? Because we have evolved into something better, something the ME has yet to accomplish.

rawls2 wrote:

Never heard of a Mexican blowing himself up in the States to regain land lost in the Mexican -American war. Mexico conceded and went about their business. I'm of Mexican decent and born American, so why dont I have the urge to get all militant and blow Americans up. Why? Because we have evolved into something better, something the ME has yet to accomplish.

See kids, bigotry isn't just limited to white people after all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War wrote:

On June 19, 1967, the National Unity Government [of Israel] voted unanimously to return the Sinai to Egypt and the Golan Heights to Syria in return for peace agreements. The Golans would have to be demilitarized and special arrangement would be negotiated for the Straits of Tiran. The government also resolved to open negotiations with King Hussein of Jordan regarding the Eastern border. [22]

The Israeli decision was to be conveyed to the Arab nations by the United States. The US was informed of the decision, but not that it was to transmit it. There is no evidence of receipt from Egypt or Syria, and some historians claim that they may have never received the offer. [23]

Later, the Khartoum Arab Summit resolved that there would be "no peace, no recognition and no negotiation with Israel."

After defeating the arabs israel voted unanamously to give back all of the land.

same page wrote:

Before the war, Israeli pilots and ground crews trained extensively in rapid refitting of aircraft returning from sorties, enabling a single aircraft to sortie up to four times a day (as opposed to the norm in Arab air forces of one or two sorties per day). This enabled the IAF to send several attack waves against Egyptian airfields on the first day of the war, overwhelming the Egyptian Air Force. This also has contributed to the Arab belief that the IAF was helped by foreign air forces (see below).

Both London and Washington strongly denied these claims, and no evidence has ever corroborated them. In American and British government circles, these accusations quickly became known as 'the big lie.'

Nonetheless, these claims, that the Arabs were fighting the Americans and British rather than Israel alone, took hold in the Arab world. According to Israeli historian Elie Podeh: "All post-1967 [Egyptian] history textbooks repeated the claim that Israel launched the war with the support of Britain and the United States. The narrative also established a direct link between the 1967 war and former imperialist attempts to control the Arab world, thus portraying Israel as an imperialist stooge. The repetition of this fabricated story, with only minor variations, in all history school textbooks means that all Egyptian schoolchildren have been exposed to, and indoctrinated with, the collusion story." A British guidance telegram to Middle East posts concluded: "The Arabs' reluctance to disbelieve all versions of the big lie springs in part from a need to believe that the Israelis could not have defeated them so thoroughly without outside assistance." [32]

Historians such as Michael Oren have argued that by falsely accusing the United States and Britain of directly helping the Israelis the Arab leaders were attempting to secure active Soviet military assistance for themselves. The Soviets, however, knew that these claims of foreign assistance to Israel were groundless and notified Arab diplomats in Moscow of that fact. Yet even though the Soviet government disbelieved these accusations, Soviet media continued to quote them, thereby strengthening the credibility of the reports. In reaction to these claims, Arab oil-producing countries announced an oil embargo.

....Also this might have something to do with the arabs disliking us atm, as they have all been taught that we assisted in the wars when really israel did lots of training and hard work to overcome huge odds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre wrote:

The Munich massacre occurred during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, Germany, when members of the Israeli Olympic team were taken hostage by the Palestinian terrorist organization Black September, a group with ties to Yasser Arafat's Fatah organization. The terrorists murdered 11 Israeli athletes and one German police officer. Five of the eight kidnappers were killed by police during an abortive rescue attempt. The three surviving captured hostage-takers were later released by Germany, following the hijacking of a Lufthansa airliner. The massacre was followed by a series of Israeli revenge assassinations of the principal planners.

why on earth did they do that.....ooo lets go and assasinate israels olympions....as that really helped the situation didnt it.

munich wrote:

The Israeli mission later became known as Operation Wrath of God or Mivtza Elohim[27]. Reeve quotes General Aharon Yariv — who, he writes, was the general overseer of the operation — as stating that after Munich the Israeli government felt it had no alternative but to exact justice.

    We had no choice. We had to make them stop, and there was no other way ... we are not very proud about it. But it was a question of sheer necessity. We went back to the old biblical rule of an eye for an eye ... I approach these problems not from a moral point of view, but, hard as it may sound, from a cost-benefit point of view. If I’m very hard-headed, I can say, what is the political benefit in killing this person? Will it bring us nearer to peace? Will it bring us nearer to an understanding with the Palestinians or not? In most cases I don’t think it will. But in the case of Black September we had no other choice and it worked. Is it morally acceptable? One can debate that question. Is it politically vital? It was.

Also apparently everybody who is still alive has a biography available for those interested.

and jesus christ look at this....

munich again wrote:

Of those believed to have planned the Munich massacre, only Abu Daoud, the man who claims that the attack was his idea, is known to be alive, and is believed to be in hiding somewhere in the Middle East or in Africa. On July 27, 1981 he was shot thirteen times from a distance of around two meters in a Warsaw Victoria (now Sofitel) hotel coffee shop, but surprisingly survived the attack. It is even said that he chased his would-be assassin down to the front entrance of the hotel before collapsing.

what the hell did they shoot him with? a spud gun!?

jonnykill wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Last I checked, it wasn't Israel wanting to destroy all countries around them. The majority of Arab countries want Israel wiped off the planet.

Also last time I checked Israel gave a disproportionate response to the kidnapping of two soldiers. Seems like they've been itching to kill them some arabs.

What about the USA's disproportionate response to 9/11 ? I mean we only lost 3,000 people right ? We ended up killing upwards of 45,000 people and invading 2 countries . Was the USA "itching" to kills some Arabs too ?

You sir are a moron . Nothing follows .

Actually the government pretty much was itching for an excuse to re-enter the area in force.

go on, some one say the only reason we invaded was for oil......

Maybe it's time we stopped calling it the middle east crisis and just start calling it middle east culture...

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-05 16:24:38)

Pug wrote:

Ahh, you hit a nerve there.  Now there are only two things I cannot stand: people who are intolerant of other cultures & peoples, and the Dutch.

whats wrong with the dutch lol?