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Kmarion wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Funny how AMD ppl keep on saying amd is teh best for teh games!!! better than intel!!!! now some of them are going gpu limit ftw! which is true but.... point is conroe will save you cash on electricity bill in the long run, 60 watt load for E6600... even after price drop conroe is still better than X2 cpus, and you dont need uber expensive ram to bring out full potential unlike AM2 cpus.

If any of you saying AMD's K8L will beat conroe, im gonna say if it does it better, coz by 2008 intel will have a new architecture...
Around Kentsfield time..lol

Hold your chin up high intel peeps, it's been awhile.
kentsfield is out the end of this year. intel already has a working model, but will be EE edition first w/ 1337 fsb
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Agent_Dung_Bomb
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If your uses extend beyond gaming, and are CPU intensive, then Conroe certainly holds advantages.  I've never denied that.

The bottom line is that you Intel fanboys can claim all you want that Conroe is going to be better for gaming, when ultimately some one with a good CPU will benefit far more by spending that money on a better video card.

And Cyborg, your power argument doesn't hold any more water than any other argument.  The P4 processors, especially Prescott, had power and heat issues yet you continued to buy Intel.  Why is that exactly?

From [H]ardOCP

Overall Performance Summary

It is very interesting that in all of our testing, both “what is playable” testing and “apples-to-apples” testing, the Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 and Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 are very close in performance. In fact, in some games they are dead even. The price difference between the two is very extreme with the Core 2 Extreme X6800 costing $999 and the Core 2 Duo E6700 at $530. Does it look like the price is justified between the two for gaming? We can safely say “no” as far as gaming goes with this gameplay testing we have performed.

As for the AMD Athlon 64 FX-62, all of our testing shows that it does trail the two new Intel CPUs in gameplay performance. So, if you wanted to point one out as being a “winner” then for sure it is the new Intel Core 2 X6800 and E6700. But, if you look at the amount of difference between the AMD and Intel CPUs, you will see that it isn’t enough to amount to anything. The only game that we saw any real-world difference in was Oblivion, and even that was tiny. A little overclocking would clear that difference up. Overall, the performance difference isn’t enough to amount to any gameplay experience differences in these games. One thing is certain: these are very fast platforms and they all provided a very enjoyable high-end gaming experience in every game.

If I had an older system and had to put my foot down and choose a system with the future in mind, I would probably lean toward the Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 platform for “future proofing” if Oblivion were any indication of future games. If you have a higher-end AMD Athlon 64 system platform right now though, there really isn’t any need to go scrambling to Intel Core 2 at this particular time for gaming. I’d wait it out and see what the future brings.

    The Bottom Line

We have proven here that the flurry of canned benchmarks based on timedemos showing huge gains with Core 2 processors are virtually worthless in rating the true gaming performance of these processors today. The fact of the matter is that real-world gaming performance today greatly lies at the feet of your video card. Almost none of today’s games are performance limited by your CPU. Maybe that will change, but given the trends, it is not likely. You simply do not need a $1000 CPU to get great gaming performance as we proved months ago in our CPU Scaling article.

When it comes to playing games, the only persons that need to be even a little concerned with upgrading their CPU to a Core 2 processor might be those with high-end SLI, CrossFire, or GeForce GX2 video cards and we have yet to prove that due to the testing limitations we ran into. Then, and only then, you might see an Intel Core 2 processor deliver a performance advantage.

Lastly, I would advise everyone that is thinking of rushing out and purchasing their latest upgrade that we are sure to see HUGE pricing slashes out of AMD before the end of the month.
Kmar
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Q1 2007 on kentsfield (Hopefully) I wonder what kind of socket. More than likely a new Mobo is in order for quad core.
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Kmar
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Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

If your uses extend beyond gaming, and are CPU intensive, then Conroe certainly holds advantages.  I've never denied that.

The bottom line is that you Intel fanboys can claim all you want that Conroe is going to be better for gaming, when ultimately some one with a good CPU will benefit far more by spending that money on a better video card.

And Cyborg, your power argument doesn't hold any more water than any other argument.  The P4 processors, especially Prescott, had power and heat issues yet you continued to buy Intel.  Why is that exactly?
Read my friend. Check the settings.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1 … 932,00.asp


BTW I love hardocp 
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Cybargs
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to agent: i got the p4 coz... i confess... i got a dell =/ took it from my old dell and stuck it in a new pc when my dells mobo fried, then after that i went to custom. i was considering AM2 b4, but after the the first sights of conroe... screw AM2. but a faster CPU would help in games by a few frames at 1280X1024, but not as much as a faster gpu. i never trust hardopc... they used a conroe and amd system at 1600X1200 res single card and kept on saying conroe is not that good. for me i go w/ conroe since i do rosseta@home and lots of video encoding.

Extreme tech i trust im not flaming you agent, but there are a lot of amd fanboys who keep on saying conroe is not better etc.
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Widjerd
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oh my god people does it really matter that much. You go on for years that AMD pwns now they dont and you start babying and saying a load of stuff which was equally true when you all loved your better AMDs.

Intel currently are leading. FACT
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Widjerd wrote:

oh my god people does it really matter that much. You go on for years that AMD pwns now they dont and you start babying and saying a load of stuff which was equally true when you all loved your better AMDs.

Intel currently are leading. FACT
intel makes 1 bad architecture, and ppl bash it... how long did it take AMD to get SSE instructions right.
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Agent_Dung_Bomb
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

to agent: i got the p4 coz... i confess... i got a dell =/ took it from my old dell and stuck it in a new pc when my dells mobo fried, then after that i went to custom. i was considering AM2 b4, but after the the first sights of conroe... screw AM2. but a faster CPU would help in games by a few frames at 1280X1024, but not as much as a faster gpu. i never trust hardopc... they used a conroe and amd system at 1600X1200 res single card and kept on saying conroe is not that good. for me i go w/ conroe since i do rosseta@home and lots of video encoding.

Extreme tech i trust im not flaming you agent, but there are a lot of amd fanboys who keep on saying conroe is not better etc.
I never said Conroe wasn't better at many other tasks beyond gaming.  The Firingsquad article I linked had testing beyond games, and I've stated flat out that if you do other such CPU intensive tasks, then by all means get the Conroe.

All I'm trying to do is make sure that people that already have good CPUs don't go blowing wads of money to get Conroe to find out that they aren't going to gain much, if anything at all, in games when a better video card would have provided the gains they were looking for.  I also said that if they had an old system and were going to be rebuilding, by all means go with Conroe.
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

=Karma-Kills= wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:


=/ SLI mobos will be out this month... 975X chipset does support SLI, but you need hacked drivers
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3 … odelmenu=1

http://uk.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3& … odelmenu=1

Oh Really?
ya rly, theyre not even out yet. comming out next week i think, but that mobo has SLI support. 1 problem: it hits fsb wall at 320 fsb, not that much of an OCer.
That is an old MOBO (i think.) Pretty sure it doesn't support conroe. NVIDIA will be releasing chipsets that are conroe compatible (I think its the 590.) Even though conroes are release to Dell, HP, companies like that, it may be a while be for you can buy a boxed one.
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908741059871059781 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

ya rly, theyre not even out yet. comming out next week i think, but that mobo has SLI support. 1 problem: it hits fsb wall at 320 fsb, not that much of an OCer.
That is an old MOBO (i think.) Pretty sure it doesn't support conroe. NVIDIA will be releasing chipsets that are conroe compatible (I think its the 590.) Even though conroes are release to Dell, HP, companies like that, it may be a while be for you can buy a boxed one.
that is the 590 chipset that max out FSB at 320mhz... shamino on VR zone tested it
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Kmar
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908741059871059781 wrote:

Even though conroes are release to Dell, HP, companies like that, it may be a while be for you can buy a boxed one.
Distibuters are receiving them today, the 4th.
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Cybargs
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Kmarion wrote:

908741059871059781 wrote:

Even though conroes are release to Dell, HP, companies like that, it may be a while be for you can buy a boxed one.
Distibuters are receiving them today, the 4th.
didnt they recieved it on the 27th? 7th and 8th for retailers ive heard, conroe E6400 and E6300 is already out in taiwan yay for me
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

908741059871059781 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

ya rly, theyre not even out yet. comming out next week i think, but that mobo has SLI support. 1 problem: it hits fsb wall at 320 fsb, not that much of an OCer.
That is an old MOBO (i think.) Pretty sure it doesn't support conroe. NVIDIA will be releasing chipsets that are conroe compatible (I think its the 590.) Even though conroes are release to Dell, HP, companies like that, it may be a while be for you can buy a boxed one.
that is the 590 chipset that max out FSB at 320mhz... shamino on VR zone tested it
Then why does it say NForce4 SLI 16x in the specs? This is the same chipset on the old 939 and 775 boards, and I'm positive it won't work with conroe. The new chipset is NForce 590 and I think it hasn't even been developed by Nvidia for Intel CPUS yet.

*Edit* Have found a press release that says the board will probably support conroe. Strange that the chipset is stil listed as an NForce4 SLI 16x, though.

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Cybargs
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908741059871059781 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

908741059871059781 wrote:


That is an old MOBO (i think.) Pretty sure it doesn't support conroe. NVIDIA will be releasing chipsets that are conroe compatible (I think its the 590.) Even though conroes are release to Dell, HP, companies like that, it may be a while be for you can buy a boxed one.
that is the 590 chipset that max out FSB at 320mhz... shamino on VR zone tested it
Then why does it say NForce4 SLI 16x in the specs? This is the same chipset on the old 939 and 775 boards, and I'm positive it won't work with conroe. The new chipset is NForce 590 and I think it hasn't even been developed by Nvidia for Intel CPUS yet.

*Edit* Have found a press release that says the board will probably support conroe. Strange that the chipset is stil listed as an NForce4 SLI 16x, though.
all current chipsets can support conroe, its just the VRM specs are different. the 590 SLI has been built already... now in production, as i said shamino on VR zone said its FSB wall is at 320mhz, not worthy if you are an overclocker
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King_County_Downy
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I'm waiting for quad core conroe before I upgrade again.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
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King_County_Downy wrote:

I'm waiting for quad core conroe before I upgrade again.
1000 usd for the chip.
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ShadowFoX
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E6600 which isnt the top of the line Conroe has almost identical performence to the FX62 so you make an educated decision.
Kmar
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cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

I'm waiting for quad core conroe before I upgrade again.
1000 usd for the chip.
That is what my Dual Core 3.73 EE went for.
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Cybargs
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Kmarion wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

I'm waiting for quad core conroe before I upgrade again.
1000 usd for the chip.
That is what my Dual Core 3.73 EE went for.
kentsfield will be marked as an EE chip, but next year we will see normal kentsfield
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