blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6887

kr@cker wrote:

but communism stil requires a police state to operate, either way, same dog, different spots
yeah same sh*t but stated differently stated. Also apparently, the word "democracy" has become sacred among those who don't understand what it means, which, it seems, is just about everyone. What makes a dictatorship immoral is its failure to recognize and protect the rights of individuals, and on this issue a democracy is no different. While "dictatorship" means rule by a single individual, "democracy" simply means rule by the majority; it does absolutely nothing to guarantee the individual rights of citizens. In a democracy, 60 percent of the population can vote to enslave the other 40 percent. But a person whose rights are violated by vote is no better off than one whose rights are violated by a tyrant; both are slaves.

Unfortunately, many Americans do not understand that morality is not a subjective function of numbers; something is not right simply because a bunch of people want it to be. It makes no difference whether 60 people enslave 40, or 1 billion people enslave a single individual; the principle is the same, and history is replete with examples of enslaved minorities.Democracy and dictatorship are just two flavors of the same poison. Same applied with communism and fascism.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7013|PNW

Dersmikner wrote:

In my opinion it's just plain wrong that a police officer can walk up to a citizen who is commiting no visible crime, and ask to see his proof of identification, and can then run that ID against a database. That's just plain fishing, and the next step is walking into my house just to make sure I don't have pot (which I don't, but I damned sure wouldn't let anyone in either way).
How them about following your old '84 Dodge beater in a couple circles around town waiting for you to make a mistake before you finally decide to just park?
Dersmikner
Member
+147|6740|Texas
That would suck. I remember when I was a kid I had a sporty car and I couldn't do anything close to wrong without getting busted. Now that I'm driving a clean, funky wheel-less, no ground effects, no stupid bumper stickered Lexus, and I'm going bald, I speed with impugnity. Never get pulled over.
carty8
30-round burst expert
+7|6860|Indiana, USA

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Well then become a real hero and become a fire fighter, that way you can save people and never worry about taking a life.
A real hero? So I suppose, as a quick example, the 60 NYPD/Port Authority officers who were murdered on September 11, 2001 while trying to save the occupants of the World Trade Center are a bunch of phonies?
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7071|Denver colorado
what the hell is that?!?! my god, they can bust you for anything nowdays.
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6886|Seattle, WA

TeamZephyr wrote:

Want a local at police brutality? Take a local at many of America's peaceful protests (such as the WTO protests in Seattle) where police turned these protests into beating sessions.
First of all, sorry for my ignorant forwardness, I do apologize, however I live in Seattle, I was there,

you have not a god damn clue about what you're talking about, people were wrecking stores and beating each other up before the police could get a hold of anyone, a young man was killed with a skateboard in all the madness, guess by who??? some dipshit that thought it would be cool the beat on a guy.  The SPD and KCSO did not a god damned thing wrong, unless you can cite some misconduct, specifically, the "peaceful protesters" were definitely not peaceful.

Those protests were already out of control before the chief ordered the streets clear.  And people were only beat down after they were aggressive towards police.  Standard engagement.

Last edited by AlbertWesker[RE] (2006-08-01 20:54:28)

lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7071|Denver colorado

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

Want a local at police brutality? Take a local at many of America's peaceful protests (such as the WTO protests in Seattle) where police turned these protests into beating sessions.
First of all, sorry for my ignorant forwardness, I do apologize, however I live in Seattle, I was there,

you have not a god damn clue about what you're talking about, people were wrecking stores and beating each other up before the police could get a hold of anyone, a young man was killed with a skateboard in all the madness, guess by who??? some dipshit that thought it would be cool the beat on a guy.  The SPD and KCSO did not a god damned thing wrong, unless you can cite some misconduct, specifically, the "peaceful protesters" were definitely not peaceful.

Those protests were already out of control before the chief ordered the streets clear.  And people were only beat down after they were aggressive towards police.  Standard engagement.
i agree, a lot of people act like everyone of another acton or group are all like the magority. like how everybody thinks that people that live in the middle east are all innocent, even know there are a small (lol) ammount of terrorists that can do big ammounts of dammage.
Home
Section.80
+447|7089|Seattle, Washington, USA

Yeah, not all cops are bad, but I grow more and more displeased with them. I live in Spokane, Washington. Not a big city. Nothing special about it, and we don't have above average amounts of crime. So I was surpirsed to read about one of these cases in the newspaper the other day. A while ago there was some robbery. A couple blocks away, a mentally ill janitor that resembled the thief was shopping in a Zip Trip. The police see the similarity, come in, beat the guy up, and then later he dies in the hospital from the incident. The police tried to defend themselves by saying that he attacked them with a 2 litre bottle. Then they released the security camera footage of the "attack". Otto didn't attack them, and did not even have the alleged bottle in his hands. They murdered an innocent man, and no action has even been taken against them yet. This is the reason I continue to doubt the police more and more.

Search "Otto Zehm" on Google for proof.
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6886|Seattle, WA

Homeschtar wrote:

Search "Otto Zehm" on Google for proof.
Yeah, that is a pretty sad case, that is disgraceful, don't be too discouraged, most aren't like that, and those that are responsible should be brought to justice.  However, it is hard to believe some of the propaganda from that case even though it is still not over, interesting to see the end result.

Bottom line: Websites and media don't know shit unless they were there.  Benefit of doubt to cops, unless otherwise proven in a court of law.
comet241
Member
+164|7007|Normal, IL

carty8 wrote:

There's always more to a story than is reported in the media.
dont believe everything you read. look at the site it came from.... can we say liberal?
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6938|NJ

carty8 wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Well then become a real hero and become a fire fighter, that way you can save people and never worry about taking a life.
A real hero? So I suppose, as a quick example, the 60 NYPD/Port Authority officers who were murdered on September 11, 2001 while trying to save the occupants of the World Trade Center are a bunch of phonies?
And how many firefighters and EMT's died??? Well anyway next question...

Perfect example of how our system is corruption, I was watching the news last night and 6 houligans where arrested and being tried for murder. The one kid look familery to an artical I read in the post about 6 months ago, so I took interest.

Well the Post story goes like this.

The off duty police officer was in a White Castle and got into a fight with these kids for some reason(the cop was really drunk and it was about 4 in the morning), these kids beat his ass and throw him out of the White Castle. The Cop walked out, thought the kids were coming after him, pulled his gun and an on duty police officer pulled his gun, announced himself and told the drunk cop to drop his weapon. The drunk cop spun around at the other cop and got shot three times(I think) and he died. So now there are pinning this on the kids who beat his ass in the White Castle and saying they killed a police officer?? are you kidding me, it's fucking pull shit.
carty8
30-round burst expert
+7|6860|Indiana, USA
Over 300 other emergency workers died, and they too are heroes.

Anyways, I heard about the tragic event of which you speak. The officer's name was Eric Hernandez and he was 24 years old. Regardless of whether he was drunk or not, he was still savagely beaten by a group of men... which is absolutely inexcusable.  It is entirely possible that the beating may have caused further impairment causing him to miss the other officer's orders. Video of the attack
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6938|NJ
Regardless we do not know his actions in the white castle, if he was starting with the people it's his fault. And he was not savagely beaten he got out side and pulled his gun... He pulled his gun out after a fist fight, Imagine if the other cop didn't kill him how many people would have been shot??

And NO on the second one, It's totally unexcusable for an off duty drunken police officer to be weilding a gun. I'd say that's worse then driving drunk.  The kids should not be charge with murder because they did not kill anybody.

Last edited by cpt.fass1 (2006-08-02 13:00:35)

carty8
30-round burst expert
+7|6860|Indiana, USA
No one who has been drinking should be carrying a weapon, I agree with you there. I also agree they should not be charged with murder, and I believe you are mistaken because they have not been charged to my knowledge.  My point was simply that they are responsible, although not criminally, for his death.  They are also guilty of assault and should spend a few decades in prison for that assault.

This is also has nothing to do with "corruption" by the way. Corruption involves bribery, graft, kickbacks, and the sort.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6938|NJ
Well watching News last night they had the commision of the police speaking about it and the peoples mother speaking about it. THe police commisioners(it might have been lawyer) words were "these people are responsiable for his dealth" you know what I'm going to find a link. OK I couldn't find anything recent but I saw it on the 11 oclock news on UPN.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/ … 2278c.html

colin farrell about this?

Last edited by cpt.fass1 (2006-08-02 13:54:35)

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