I don't have anything against the UK particularly - I was just responding angrily to that moron. Let's face it - it was more than just the potato famine but I don't suppose they go into it in much detail in history class in England. Anyway - it's no big deal. I've been to the UK loads of times for stag parties and stuff and tourism in London - I'm not some 'Kill All Brits' type.jord wrote:
I'd just like to know what you have against the UK,are you still upset about some potato famine everyone has forgot about?CameronPoe wrote:
You and your kind, good racist sir, are the REASON for terrorism and the perpetuation of it. I do not 'side' with any 'terrorists' thank you very much. No-one is asking for any 'world police' - it's 'world police' that get on peoples fucking nerves. You think you have some god-given right to own and control the planet. Well I'm afraid the rest of the world will never take that kind of attitude lying down. I can't believe you want me to thank the UK for 'everything they've done for us'. Try reading a little Irish history. And the US? Fat lot of good they've done the Irish - always siding with the brits. The american people always helped us, don't get me wrong, but the government always turned a blind eye. Turns out we didn't need their help anyway. You see? The rest of the world can do just fine without the dabbling. Stick to your own borders sonny jim.SFCCDailey wrote:
NO DUMB ASS it wasn't sarcasm. And for all you Irish that are siding with the damn terrorists, I say screw you we'll just let Iceland come kick your ass and rule over you! Considering the US and the UK pretty much are the worlds police and protect all the shitty little countries that can't bring themselves to have their own decent military I would think you should all shut up and just say Thank You for the protection you get from us!
PS Nobody has to earn 'their right' to free speech in the US - one of the great aspects of US society. Maybe someone told you that to get you to join up. LOL!!
LOL OMG YUROP SUX...
Then again I don't think many people understand what cowardice really is.
Then again I don't think many people understand what cowardice really is.
Okay well I'm sure thats not your first or even second dig at England here.Your probably right about the history class,we don't study that at normal schools here.
I know all about it,i know what happened,i didn't learn it at school.
An angry response is fine for a racist response.
I know all about it,i know what happened,i didn't learn it at school.
An angry response is fine for a racist response.
Please tell me this isn't another example of your average american soldier..SFCCDailey wrote:
I think it's time for the US and the UK to take over the Middle East! We need to take control of all their oil and sell it back to them at 100 times the price they charge us. Plus make them pay taxes to the US and UK for being able to live on our land. Fuck these asshole rag-heads. Time to take the gloves off and quit this bullshit of fighting street to street. Bomb their asses back to the stone age and let's be done with this shit once and for all. "And for all you ass hats saying "what the fuck do you know about it?" I served in the Gulf War dick heads and as a US Army vet I think I have a decent idea about what the fuck goes on over there. So if you've never fought for or served your country then shut the fuck up or go join your military and earn your right to free speech!
*where's Pug*
OK Mr. Non-Racist I love all colors and creeds. "BULLSHIT"CameronPoe wrote:
You and your kind, good racist sir, are the REASON for terrorism and the perpetuation of it. I do not 'side' with any 'terrorists' thank you very much. No-one is asking for any 'world police' - it's 'world police' that get on peoples fucking nerves. You think you have some god-given right to own and control the planet. Well I'm afraid the rest of the world will never take that kind of attitude lying down. I can't believe you want me to thank the UK for 'everything they've done for us'. Try reading a little Irish history. And the US? Fat lot of good they've done the Irish - always siding with the brits. The American people always helped us, don't get me wrong, but the government always turned a blind eye. Turns out we didn't need their help anyway. You see? The rest of the world can do just fine without the dabbling. Stick to your own borders sonny jim.SFCCDailey wrote:
NO DUMB ASS it wasn't sarcasm. And for all you Irish that are siding with the damn terrorists, I say screw you we'll just let Iceland come kick your ass and rule over you! Considering the US and the UK pretty much are the worlds police and protect all the shitty little countries that can't bring themselves to have their own decent military I would think you should all shut up and just say Thank You for the protection you get from us!CameronPoe wrote:
I hope that was sarcasm.
PS Nobody has to earn 'their right' to free speech in the US - one of the great aspects of US society. Maybe someone told you that to get you to join up. LOL!!
SO the US and the UK are the reason for terrorism? Isn't that what you said. You have got to be the dumbest son-of-a-bitch on gods green earth! No one other than the terrorist is responsible for acts of terrorism. I bet you're the same kind of asshole that says "that girl deserved to be raped because of what she was wearing." As far as "not asking us to be the worlds police", you might want to rethink that bullshit statement. Every fucking time something happens in the world "Tidal Wave in Asia" "Germany taking over Poland" "The Irish not paying the UK their bar tab" you name it, who's the first two countries the world comes to asking for money and support. What's that you say "The US and the UK" Ding Ding Ding You're right you fucking leprechaun! So have a nice cup of shut the fuck up and get back to making my Guiness!
CameronPoe, to be honest and being of mostly Irish descent myself, why the hell didn't they go fishing during the famine?
That's not racist. Sorry.SFCCDailey wrote:
OK Mr. Non-Racist I love all colors and creeds. "BULLSHIT"CameronPoe wrote:
You and your kind, good racist sir, are the REASON for terrorism and the perpetuation of it. I do not 'side' with any 'terrorists' thank you very much. No-one is asking for any 'world police' - it's 'world police' that get on peoples fucking nerves. You think you have some god-given right to own and control the planet. Well I'm afraid the rest of the world will never take that kind of attitude lying down. I can't believe you want me to thank the UK for 'everything they've done for us'. Try reading a little Irish history. And the US? Fat lot of good they've done the Irish - always siding with the brits. The American people always helped us, don't get me wrong, but the government always turned a blind eye. Turns out we didn't need their help anyway. You see? The rest of the world can do just fine without the dabbling. Stick to your own borders sonny jim.SFCCDailey wrote:
NO DUMB ASS it wasn't sarcasm. And for all you Irish that are siding with the damn terrorists, I say screw you we'll just let Iceland come kick your ass and rule over you! Considering the US and the UK pretty much are the worlds police and protect all the shitty little countries that can't bring themselves to have their own decent military I would think you should all shut up and just say Thank You for the protection you get from us!
PS Nobody has to earn 'their right' to free speech in the US - one of the great aspects of US society. Maybe someone told you that to get you to join up. LOL!!
SO the US and the UK are the reason for terrorism? Isn't that what you said. You have got to be the dumbest son-of-a-bitch on gods green earth! No one other than the terrorist is responsible for acts of terrorism. I bet you're the same kind of asshole that says "that girl deserved to be raped because of what she was wearing." As far as "not asking us to be the worlds police", you might want to rethink that bullshit statement. Every fucking time something happens in the world "Tidal Wave in Asia" "Germany taking over Poland" "The Irish not paying the UK their bar tab" you name it, who's the first two countries the world comes to asking for money and support. What's that you say "The US and the UK" Ding Ding Ding You're right you fucking leprechaun! So have a nice cup of shut the fuck up and get back to making my Guiness!
1. They are not the one exclusive reason. A lot of things they have done in the past, and presently, contribute towards it. Examples: overt and clandestine support for unpopular dictatorships and puppet regimes, economic exploitation of other countries, supporting Israel completely unconditionally at all times, actual subjugation of other nations. A lot of the core issues stem from governments that are long long gone. THe present governments aren't doing much to alleviate the situation though. Of course, Islamic extremism in it's purest form is no-ones fault - but the acts of nations such as the US are turning more moderates towards such deplorable views.SFCCDailey wrote:
OK Mr. Non-Racist I love all colors and creeds. "BULLSHIT"
SO the US and the UK are the reason for terrorism? Isn't that what you said. You have got to be the dumbest son-of-a-bitch on gods green earth! No one other than the terrorist is responsible for acts of terrorism. I bet you're the same kind of asshole that says "that girl deserved to be raped because of what she was wearing." As far as "not asking us to be the worlds police", you might want to rethink that bullshit statement. Every fucking time something happens in the world "Tidal Wave in Asia" "Germany taking over Poland" "The Irish not paying the UK their bar tab" you name it, who's the first two countries the world comes to asking for money and support. What's that you say "The US and the UK" Ding Ding Ding You're right you fucking leprechaun! So have a nice cup of shut the fuck up and get back to making my Guiness!
2. If anyone rapes someone they should be locked up good and proper, irrespective of what anyone was wearing. I really don't know what that point was meant to prove.
3. Aid is fine. All western nations give aid and rightly so. That is not 'policing the world' - merely helping others out.
4. Thanks for the racist comments. I could respond will equally racist comments but then I would run the risk of getting banned so I won't.
Good stuff on point one, however, I kinda think that on point two the issue is that they are being programmed - it sounds like Hitler's new world order all over again :{stryyker wrote:
the Jews were already slaves... i think something came out of that, a religion or something ::
(joking)
i dont like Muslims thinking they will take over the world, thats not good.
Worse yet, it's born out of a religion - very sad.
Kaboom.
You know I saw the other night they had a former "jihadist" on television. He was making a case for the similarities between the extremist Muslims and the Nazi's . I found it interesting since that comparison is often made to George Bush's administration. He went into great detail on their quest to dominate the world with establishing Islam as a world leader. I will see if I can find some links.
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8 million people fishing a relatively small coastline in waders (i.e., without the aid of boats!!) would not be very productive or efficient. Plus - I think the fish would take the hint to stay the fuck away from Ireland!!Ikarti wrote:
CameronPoe, to be honest and being of mostly Irish descent myself, why the hell didn't they go fishing during the famine?
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They did.Ikarti wrote:
CameronPoe, to be honest and being of mostly Irish descent myself, why the hell didn't they go fishing during the famine?
They just had really small worms.
Just messin with ya .
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Hi Ricardo - Hope the Harley is running well in La La Land. Dailey is frustrated, we all are. He's also probably willing to go over to England and kick some arab protesting ass.RicardoBlanco wrote:
Please tell me this isn't another example of your average american soldier..SFCCDailey wrote:
I think it's time for the US and the UK to take over the Middle East! We need to take control of all their oil and sell it back to them at 100 times the price they charge us. Plus make them pay taxes to the US and UK for being able to live on our land. Fuck these asshole rag-heads. Time to take the gloves off and quit this bullshit of fighting street to street. Bomb their asses back to the stone age and let's be done with this shit once and for all. "And for all you ass hats saying "what the fuck do you know about it?" I served in the Gulf War dick heads and as a US Army vet I think I have a decent idea about what the fuck goes on over there. So if you've never fought for or served your country then shut the fuck up or go join your military and earn your right to free speech!
*where's Pug*
I looked through the thread, some regurgitation and opinion:
1) Using airstrikes does not make one an coward. Pro: risks one or two people, shows superiority, immediate strike power, planes are harder to hit. Cons: cannot observe damage (follow up attacks necessary), not as accurate, collateral damage. Coward is not the right word.
2) Good info on Ireland. I learned something today.
3) Europe is not a bunch of pussies. Everyone prefers diplomacy. In the case of the Middle East, the US has been more aggressive - there has been 40+ years of talk already.
4) The US is not a bunch of warmongering a-holes. What is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan is justifiable. If you don't agree with it, that's fine - it's not going to make us pack up and go home. Plus make sure to include your own country in the criticism if they have been involved in the conflict in any way.
5) US or other non-native troops taking over the Mideast is a mistake. It's like inheriting a sinking ship. I hope US troops aren't in the UN buffer zone after it's all over with - but I would put money on we will be there in the buffer zone.
6) Hamas, Hez & Israel cannot get along. I think we all saw this coming. I think that the Hamas, Hez & Israel saw this coming. EVERYONE is to blame - if you crucify Israel, fine. If you crucify the Hez, fine. Remember that both sides have been killing civilians for years. So what if Israel is doing it with jets. Body count? Well, let me ask you this - how many civ deaths is acceptable and where do you draw the line?
7) History - who's right and who's wrong? Who cares! At some point both sides should try to get along, instead of BOTH SIDES being ultrareactive or by forming organizations designed to destroy each other - out of defense.
8) Dailey is correct about OPEC - it's bullshit. Cartels are illegal. But we can't do anything about that, we need oil. He also conveys the same frustration of everyone re: the Middle East sucks.
9) Does Dailey represent the American soldier? Hell yeah. I'm guessing if you talk to a Brit soldier from the Gulf War he'd have some similar strong opinions as well. EDIT - Holy Crap - maybe not!
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It's genius! Genius I tell you! The world would work perfectly. Oh, but wait a second, don't people often kill each other because of race? Ethnic cleansing and the like?-Solv3r- wrote:
Let's just kill all the religious people, and the world would be a happy place!
Damn. I was really starting to like that idea, but I'm begining to see a few holes in it. Can't we kill all religious people anyway? We'd probably still see an improvement, it's not like religion contributes anything to the world, it's just outdated manipulative dogma.
Agreed... No 4 to be sure.Pug wrote:
Hi Ricardo - Hope the Harley is running well in La La Land. Dailey is frustrated, we all are. He's also probably willing to go over to England and kick some arab protesting ass.RicardoBlanco wrote:
Please tell me this isn't another example of your average american soldier..SFCCDailey wrote:
I think it's time for the US and the UK to take over the Middle East! We need to take control of all their oil and sell it back to them at 100 times the price they charge us. Plus make them pay taxes to the US and UK for being able to live on our land. Fuck these asshole rag-heads. Time to take the gloves off and quit this bullshit of fighting street to street. Bomb their asses back to the stone age and let's be done with this shit once and for all. "And for all you ass hats saying "what the fuck do you know about it?" I served in the Gulf War dick heads and as a US Army vet I think I have a decent idea about what the fuck goes on over there. So if you've never fought for or served your country then shut the fuck up or go join your military and earn your right to free speech!
*where's Pug*
I looked through the thread, some regurgitation and opinion:
1) Using airstrikes does not make one an coward. Pro: risks one or two people, shows superiority, immediate strike power, planes are harder to hit. Cons: cannot observe damage (follow up attacks necessary), not as accurate, collateral damage. Coward is not the right word.
2) Good info on Ireland. I learned something today.
3) Europe is not a bunch of pussies. Everyone prefers diplomacy. In the case of the Middle East, the US has been more aggressive - there has been 40+ years of talk already.
4) The US is not a bunch of warmongering a-holes. What is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan is justifiable. If you don't agree with it, that's fine - it's not going to make us pack up and go home. Plus make sure to include your own country in the criticism if they have been involved in the conflict in any way.
5) US or other non-native troops taking over the Mideast is a mistake. It's like inheriting a sinking ship. I hope US troops aren't in the UN buffer zone after it's all over with - but I would put money on we will be there in the buffer zone.
6) Hamas, Hez & Israel cannot get along. I think we all saw this coming. I think that the Hamas, Hez & Israel saw this coming. EVERYONE is to blame - if you crucify Israel, fine. If you crucify the Hez, fine. Remember that both sides have been killing civilians for years. So what if Israel is doing it with jets. Body count? Well, let me ask you this - how many civ deaths is acceptable and where do you draw the line?
7) History - who's right and who's wrong? Who cares! At some point both sides should try to get along, instead of BOTH SIDES being ultrareactive or by forming organizations designed to destroy each other - out of defense.
8) Dailey is correct about OPEC - it's bullshit. Cartels are illegal. But we can't do anything about that, we need oil. He also conveys the same frustration of everyone re: the Middle East sucks.
9) Does Dailey represent the American soldier? Hell yeah. I'm guessing if you talk to a Brit soldier from the Gulf War he'd have some similar strong opinions as well. EDIT - Holy Crap - maybe not!
1) True, airstrikes are of great tactical use. Cowardly is certainly not the right word, no one wants their troops dying unnecessarily. Although they can be used in a cowardly manner, a bit like the way Israel are using them at the moment - reliable sources agree that between 80 and 90% of Lebanese casualties have been civilian - that is cowardly usage of airstrikes.Pug wrote:
Hi Ricardo - Hope the Harley is running well in La La Land. Dailey is frustrated, we all are. He's also probably willing to go over to England and kick some arab protesting ass.RicardoBlanco wrote:
Please tell me this isn't another example of your average american soldier..SFCCDailey wrote:
I think it's time for the US and the UK to take over the Middle East! We need to take control of all their oil and sell it back to them at 100 times the price they charge us. Plus make them pay taxes to the US and UK for being able to live on our land. Fuck these asshole rag-heads. Time to take the gloves off and quit this bullshit of fighting street to street. Bomb their asses back to the stone age and let's be done with this shit once and for all. "And for all you ass hats saying "what the fuck do you know about it?" I served in the Gulf War dick heads and as a US Army vet I think I have a decent idea about what the fuck goes on over there. So if you've never fought for or served your country then shut the fuck up or go join your military and earn your right to free speech!
*where's Pug*
I looked through the thread, some regurgitation and opinion:
1) Using airstrikes does not make one an coward. Pro: risks one or two people, shows superiority, immediate strike power, planes are harder to hit. Cons: cannot observe damage (follow up attacks necessary), not as accurate, collateral damage. Coward is not the right word.
2) Good info on Ireland. I learned something today.
3) Europe is not a bunch of pussies. Everyone prefers diplomacy. In the case of the Middle East, the US has been more aggressive - there has been 40+ years of talk already.
4) The US is not a bunch of warmongering a-holes. What is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan is justifiable. If you don't agree with it, that's fine - it's not going to make us pack up and go home. Plus make sure to include your own country in the criticism if they have been involved in the conflict in any way.
5) US or other non-native troops taking over the Mideast is a mistake. It's like inheriting a sinking ship. I hope US troops aren't in the UN buffer zone after it's all over with - but I would put money on we will be there in the buffer zone.
6) Hamas, Hez & Israel cannot get along. I think we all saw this coming. I think that the Hamas, Hez & Israel saw this coming. EVERYONE is to blame - if you crucify Israel, fine. If you crucify the Hez, fine. Remember that both sides have been killing civilians for years. So what if Israel is doing it with jets. Body count? Well, let me ask you this - how many civ deaths is acceptable and where do you draw the line?
7) History - who's right and who's wrong? Who cares! At some point both sides should try to get along, instead of BOTH SIDES being ultrareactive or by forming organizations designed to destroy each other - out of defense.
8) Dailey is correct about OPEC - it's bullshit. Cartels are illegal. But we can't do anything about that, we need oil. He also conveys the same frustration of everyone re: the Middle East sucks.
9) Does Dailey represent the American soldier? Hell yeah. I'm guessing if you talk to a Brit soldier from the Gulf War he'd have some similar strong opinions as well.
2)Ditto
3)Diplomacy is the most sensible option.
4)The US have been war mongering just a bit over the past century List of US military Interventions
What's happening in Afghanistan is totally OK by me I believe it was totally justified. The war on Iraq was just stupid, I've heard all the arguments for it and all of them are fundamentally flawed - there was simply no need for it. The UK (where I'm from) are almost as culpable as the US in recent years, mainly because we join in whenever the Americans ask - supporting our allies, which is a good enough reason I suppose - although this is supposed to be a democracy and a lot of people over here were very against the Iraq war.
5)Troops in the Middle East are most definately not a good idea, not American troops certainly, although a UN force as a buffer zone between Israel and the Arab states might not be such a bad idea. Then, perhaps, America could cut most of it's funding to Israel and give the 0.7% of GNP that they are supposed to provide the UN with. This would help towards funding the buffer zone with an international force and take the responsibility for dealing with the Arabic terrorist threat away from Israel - then maybe we'd see some progress.
6)Hamas, Hez & Israel cannot get along. They are all just as bad as each other. Although I believe Israel should carry most of the responsibility for sorting the mess out because the bigger more powerful state should always take responsibility for finding a solution through diplomacy. But you are totally right, everyone involved is completely at fault, no one more than anyone else - but the Israelis should know better.
As for how many civilian casualties are acceptable, maybe 20-30%, not 80-90%.
7)I agree entirely.
8)The Middle East does indeed suck. Their problems stem from the fact the region is composed of nation states which have been created by (mostly British) politicians drawing lines on maps, without giving any consideration to who actually lived there. The tribal factions of the region, who tend not to get along very well suddenly became countymen and the only things that seems to stop them killing each other is having a common enemy, either Israel or the US, or an extremely brutal regime.
OPEC is NOT illegal, since cartels are only prohibited under national law and the members of OPEC are states not companies.
9)I've spoken to 2 British soldiers who have served in Iraq, neither of them held opinions in any way similar to Dailey, they did have strong views about the situation - mostly about how we shouldn't be over there and about how woefully underequipped they were and how overequipped the Americans were - a lot of bitterness about the fact the Americans got better food (although they claimed we had the better chefs, they just got provided with crappy cheap ingredients).
It's not that Europe is too scared...it's that France takes up a big part of Europe.....and well...we all know about France. http://www.indvadefrance.us|DL|Krokkieboy wrote:
erm jews dont die for freedom , they kill and steal land which doesnt even belong to them,.
you just lucky europe is too scared, cause we aint nothing but arselicking america all the time and hope we get a cookie.
France is way overdue to be invaded and taken over. They're practically begging for it.
Very true - I vote for a UK/US coalition to invade France.=MCHD= arush5268d wrote:
It's not that Europe is too scared...it's that France takes up a big part of Europe.....and well...we all know about France. http://www.indvadefrance.us|DL|Krokkieboy wrote:
erm jews dont die for freedom , they kill and steal land which doesnt even belong to them,.
you just lucky europe is too scared, cause we aint nothing but arselicking america all the time and hope we get a cookie.
France is way overdue to be invaded and taken over. They're practically begging for it.
We've backed you up enough in the Middle East - the least you can do is help us deal with the cheese eating surrender monkeys - they probably won't put up much of a fight (well hopefully not, the 100 years war went on a while, but they usually surrender).
Couldn't get that link to work BTW.
It's worked fine for the CubansErkut.hv wrote:
I suppose nothing in theory. Once you throw humans in the mix, it no longer works.
For the education and the health but not for the economy as they are still suffering from the embargo.
Even worse is that alot of westerners are buying into that crap. America is causing instability in the world, world police, blah, blah, blah. We are the best (the US that is). Its up to us to smack retards down.AAFCptKabbom wrote:
Good stuff on point one, however, I kinda think that on point two the issue is that they are being programmed - it sounds like Hitler's new world order all over again :{stryyker wrote:
the Jews were already slaves... i think something came out of that, a religion or something ::
(joking)
i dont like Muslims thinking they will take over the world, thats not good.
Worse yet, it's born out of a religion - very sad.
Kaboom.
Amen to that. Life expectancy to dream of, health and dental care second only to Canada, culture and the arts appreciated and supported immensely, a true culture of living for life not living to get one over on the other.Bubbalo wrote:
It's worked fine for the CubansErkut.hv wrote:
I suppose nothing in theory. Once you throw humans in the mix, it no longer works.
There are obviously some freedoms the Cubans are foregoing but the vast majority support the revolution and if the West tries any funny shit when Castro dies it'll backfire dreadfully. For instance, how will a people go from FREE dental and healthcare at any time to the distinctly less secure world we westerners live in? I say China-ization of Cuba would be the best approach post-Castro.
So, if it's so magical in Cuba, why are all the Cubans in Little Havana in Florida, partying like it's 1999 on news that Castro was ill?CameronPoe wrote:
Amen to that. Life expectancy to dream of, health and dental care second only to Canada, culture and the arts appreciated and supported immensely, a true culture of living for life not living to get one over on the other.Bubbalo wrote:
It's worked fine for the CubansErkut.hv wrote:
I suppose nothing in theory. Once you throw humans in the mix, it no longer works.
There are obviously some freedoms the Cubans are foregoing but the vast majority support the revolution and if the West tries any funny shit when Castro dies it'll backfire dreadfully. For instance, how will a people go from FREE dental and healthcare at any time to the distinctly less secure world we westerners live in? I say China-ization of Cuba would be the best approach post-Castro.
if cuba's so wonderful, why are people literally dying to get here? I am a former miami resident, in fact i was born there, and yes, the stories are true, hooray for the wonderful benevolent father of the people, at least the people he didn't have raped, murdered in their sleep, forced to watch their entire family executed in front of their eyes, you get the point
oh and check the red in my sig
oh and check the red in my sig
They're just people who prefer to leave. They're actually a minority believe it or not. I'll be able to judge better and come back with first hand opinions when I come back from Cuba at the end of September. My views may have changed by then. We'll see.kr@cker wrote:
if cuba's so wonderful, why are people literally dying to get here? I am a former miami resident, in fact i was born there, and yes, the stories are true, hooray for the wonderful benevolent father of the people, at least the people he didn't have raped, murdered in their sleep, forced to watch their entire family executed in front of their eyes, you get the point
oh and check the red in my sig
PS The link doesn't seem to work but I guess it's the video of Castro breaking his leg.
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