BF2S Forums Whats the big deal.

niomosy wrote:

USAFDude_1988 wrote:

Right on... I hate team killers.. yet at the same time what are u gonna do when a rookie jumps in a plane?

How about let them fly?  If they're as useless as you're suggesting, you'll have your precious plane back within a few minutes anyway so what difference does it make?

that few minutes could be the difference between a win for the team.. or being raped back to your uncap.. or a cappable base.. which isn't as bad really..

read back in the thread.. i explain it there.. i'm not doing it again.

Hyper wrote:

and then ya get banned, then ya come here and complain
see the problem?


TOP gets banned like that (IMO) because of the reputation THEY built for themselves.

now that they are having to live with that rep, they cry.

i guess smurf village wasnt that far after all huh papa smurf?

This so called reputation that they built for themselves is mostly the fact that they like to have something called "fun". You wouldnt know about "fun" now would you? They get banned by retard admins who are afraid that their going to get kidnapped or something. Ive played with |TOP| several times and theyre good players that like to have fun. Despite the fact that vengeance kidnapped me lol. But of course, you wouldnt know about fun because you like to stalk people that play on K&P servers. Really if I want to play on a K&P server, kidnap someone, tk, or statpad in any way I should be able to do it without worrying about my stats getting reset because Id be having "fun". Alot of this can be answered in a simple question hyper, if your stats were randomly reset, what would you do? All those countless hours in a jet gone, every badge gone, all those hours gone, what would you do? I can take a guess but Ill let you answer for yerself.

NASTY_BUTLER wrote:

Defiance wrote:

ThomasMorgan wrote:

Yes, I have TKed for an ATV before and yes, I would do it again, even if it's only for the purpose of pissing you off.

HEY NASTY BUTLER! TAKE THIS AS A BIG FUCKING HINT WHY I MADE THE MYG0T ANALOGY!

It's also the answer to the quest I sent you on.

That reference is an example of public ignorance....Thomas Morgan isnt a member and if he was his opinions don't reflect the group as a whole.  Those that have a problem with this concept will have to adjust or continue to be ignorant.

"Public Ignorance"

Let's talk about that. Public ignorance is the general stupidity of the public for many reasons but by definition, because they don't care enough to know. We know this to be true. Referencing MIB, one person is understanding. Most people, singled out can understand and adapt. But groups are panicy, groups are quick to guess and to be misinformed.

But this is true. If you go on to a server and start TKing for vehicles (OH shit! TACTICS OVER PRINCIPALS ZOMG! We want plane, we be immoral, we shoot pilot!) no one's going to like it, nor is anyone going to care about your reasons why you do this which you've whole heartedly explained in this thread and I've conciously read.

NASTY_BUTLER wrote:

Ethos?  Our only ethos is "live and let live"  each member is different, not all tk and not all dont tk.  The difference between us and clans is that they have one member disciplining other members and that doesn't bode well for forming actual friendships so we dont have a disciplinarian.  In turn we expect outsiders to judge our members separately.....if the can't then that is their problem.  This insitutionalized view that one member represents an entire group in a VIDEO GAME is obsurd.

This is why. Incase you missed it:

NASTY_BUTLER wrote:

The difference between us and clans is that they have one member disciplining other members and that doesn't bode well for forming actual friendships so we dont have a disciplinarian.

Let me point out your own ignorance, which is a long word you don't understand but still use pretty damn often. It's your lack of discipline that causes the public to hate you, and it's your fault that they do. Not public ignorance, your own ignorance.

|TOP| says that it enters servers to win, and they do it in groups. Here's the quote.

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

When a group of TOP members enter a server we play to win

If someone comes in to a server and starting TKing, I'm going to think that they're a fucktard. I don't even look at the tag. When I see (Sik)Noob1[Teamkills - M95]RandomGuy, and moments later see a helicopter floating down the map (Sik)Noob2 [+1] I'm going to think that those two guys are fucktards. What unites them? The tag, the clan. (Sik) are fucktards, and more an more people realize this and then the public, and their ignorance, come to the conclusion that (Sik) sucks and whenever they make a thread asking for redemption or closure, harrasment to no end should ensue.

Why does this happen? The lack of discipline in the clan. If said clan is whining about a bad image, then one would think that they would be doing something to prevent it. But no, there is no discipline, there is no control. They are set loose and whatever they do together casts a negative image upon the group that is very difficult to reclaim.

You then say that if there's discipline, it becomes too formal and friendships are formed. Bull fucking shit. You should stop by my clans TS or forums for a few days, you'll see that we're respectful, we're not asshats and we have good friendships. In real life as well. As we speak there are 5 people at our clan leaders house preparing for UVALan. Because of my location, I could not go but I would've gone if it wasn't on the other side of the country.

That concludes your post, and brings me back to the point. It is your fault, your lack of understanding of the "public" that causes this negative image on to you all.

When you ask "What's the big deal" you should put some thought in to it and realize it's your groups structure that causes it.

As with the other meaningful posts this will not be taken seriously and I have in fact wasted my time writing it. But I don't care. I have the time and the energy, and some time you'll come back and possibly comprehend what I said. Remeber this:

It's your fault. Case closed.

Last edited by Defiance (2006-08-01 06:26:41)

Wow, you people are dumber than a box of rocks.  Lets refer to the dictionary shall we?

Game
An activity providing entertainment or amusement;

It's a fucking game for christ's sake, a game on the goddamned internet no less WHAT THE FUCK do you really expect?

There are about 10,000 servers at any given moment that TOP isn't playing on.  Stop FUCKING CRYING!!!
You dumbasses fail at life.  Horribly.

I've never played with TOP before, and I don't really know that much about them, but they don't sound so fun to play with. People who are crazy obsessed with winning, to the point where they'll ruin other people's fun. Not so cool.

Even the name makes them sound like dicks.

Noop-Ni wrote:

I've never played with TOP before, and I don't really know that much about them, but they don't sound so fun to play with. People who are crazy obsessed with winning, to the point where they'll ruin other people's fun. Not so cool.

Even the name makes them sound like dicks.

What the hell, +1.

(If negs still existed my ass would be at -4000 by now)

Dauntless wrote:

Defiance wrote:

Why does this happen? The lack of discipline in the clan. If said clan is whining about a bad image, then one would think that they would be doing something to prevent it.

But what would the leader do to prevent it? Tell everyone how to behave and how to play the game? Or get kicked from the clan??

They can be rebuked, and if they continue to be a jackass yeah, that's how it works. When I ran my CZ clan, that's how it was run. And it worked damn well. We were a bunch of cool people who could have fun together. That's a clan. We all got good and went in to CAL and had even more fun.

Dauntless wrote:

So we made a community were everyone is treated as equal, and we have never looked back since. You say that the groups structure causes problems, it just doesn't.

It may not inside the clan, but in certain cases it causes shitstorms towards the clan. *Coughs and points.*

Last edited by Defiance (2006-08-01 06:48:52)

ZCor3x wrote:

Horse wrote:

TOP are a bunch of fucking twats who abuse their admin power by verbally sbusing you if you dare get in the gunner seat. If you dont get out then its a one way trip to "out of bounds". If they want a plane they kick you regardless "to make room for admin" when there are plenty of slots and dont bother playing as US on wake, storming Rambo style through the airfield and stealing the J10 to give you team a slight chance coz you will be kicked. As i say they are just a bunch of fucking little pricks who think they have a right to do anything and be unaccountable. I paid good money to play this game and i won`t be doing it on any of their point farming servers ever again... BE WARNED !!!!

I believe there was a post about people complaining about admin, and 75% of the people believed.. "If you pay for the server, you can run it by your rules". Now, I don't like that statement, but I guess it's true correct? Sorry, you lose.

So now we will apply "Spinless twats" to your description. If you're going to kick someone for taking the plane, kick them for taking a plane, not to make room in the server for an admin.

Last edited by Defiance (2006-08-01 06:49:57)

ZCor3x wrote:

Defiance wrote:

ZCor3x wrote:

I believe there was a post about people complaining about admin, and 75% of the people believed.. "If you pay for the server, you can run it by your rules". Now, I don't like that statement, but I guess it's true correct? Sorry, you lose.

So now we will apply "Spinless twats" to your description. If you're going to kick someone for taking the plane, kick them for taking a plane, not to make room in the server for an admin.

The hell is a spinless twat

and why the hell did you quote me, don't quote me. DAMNIT

Ah, excuse my shitty keyboard and my half awake brain.

Spineless Twat-Waffles.

spawnofthemist wrote:

Defiance wrote:

I've never seen a |TOP| member in any game.

that there's your first problem.

Defiance wrote:

But from what I tell, they're ethics are fucked and they don't make for a very entertaining experience.
from what you can tell.. from what exactly? a forum full of smurfs? whiney little bastards?
i suggest you come play a few rounds with us to see that the best (read as most challenging) games are available with TOP on the server

Defiance wrote:

I remember someone saying that |TOP| does what it does because they payed for the game and they think everyone deserves a fair go at the choppers.

correct.

Defiance wrote:

Well, everyone else payed for the game too. They deserve it as much as |TOP|.

fair enough. but if someone who took the chopper YOU were using and just crashed it in front of your eyes.. would YOU let them get away with it? or take it back to help the team? i know what i'd do.

Defiance wrote:

I think I know something that will hit close to home. From now on, we'll call the |TOP| clan the BF2-Police.

wrong. the bf2police are the people that whine about people not following the "rules" of an online videogame.

Defiance wrote:

They monitor all vehicular use in BF2 and if someone does something |TOP| don't like, they get shot in the face with a .50!

changed your quote to make it truthful.

The first two quotes mix with each other. Whiney little smurfs in your opinion, but they're accounting for the majority and only a few on top of yourselves are coming to your aid.

On top of that, forum behavior and attitude go in to my opinion. Lame as that may sound, majority rules.

If I was using a chopper and they crashed, I'd skatter my ass off towards the heli pad for when it respawns. If I don't get it, whatever, I can hop in a tank or a plane or just grab any form of rifle and have as much fun as I would in a heli. FFS some of my most hilarious rounds were just me running around in a FAV as an engie.

By you're rules, only certain people can have certain vehicles in certain situations so yes, you are whining about people not following your rules. Your whining is in the form of teamkills.

Last edited by Defiance (2006-08-01 07:04:19)

Defiance wrote:

By you're rules, only certain people can have certain vehicles in certain situations so yes, you are whining about people not following your rules. Your whining is in the form of teamkills.

teamkills are more fun. they piss people like YOU off.. and make you post non-sensical misinformed bullshit.

Defiance wrote:

Dauntless wrote:

Defiance wrote:

Why does this happen? The lack of discipline in the clan. If said clan is whining about a bad image, then one would think that they would be doing something to prevent it.

But what would the leader do to prevent it? Tell everyone how to behave and how to play the game? Or get kicked from the clan??

They can be rebuked, and if they continue to be a jackass yeah, that's how it works.

But a lot of people don't like that, thats why there are community's like mine and TOP. BFROE already takes the fun out of the game with their gay rules, but having a clanleader with another bunch of gay rules would just suck ass...

spawnofthemist wrote:

Defiance wrote:

By you're rules, only certain people can have certain vehicles in certain situations so yes, you are whining about people not following your rules. Your whining is in the form of teamkills.

teamkills are more fun. they piss people like YOU off.. and make you post non-sensical misinformed bullshit.

you fail. There is no reason to ever TK for a vehicle EVER. and your above statement just proves you (and most probably the whole of |TOP|) are complete assholes. as Defiance said if you don't get it, do some Fucking thing else, its not your game, its not your vehicle and its certainly not your right to TK for it.

To cougar. The majority of people don't want your kind, so fuck off to your own server and don't whine when you get kicked off someone else's. If anyone here went to YOUR server and complained about it then yes they fail, but when you go to others your the one who has to obey there rules or fuck off.

Dauntless wrote:

But a lot of people don't like that, thats why there are community's like mine and TOP. BFROE already takes the fun out of the game with their gay rules, but having a clanleader with another bunch of gay rules would just suck ass...

But having someone TK you every time you get into a vehicle is fun?? FUCK OFF and get your priority's right.

Last edited by DrunkFace (2006-08-01 07:17:46)