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TeamZephyr wrote:

just shows that many cops abuse their power too much.

You've got to be kidding me.  How do you know that "most" cops abuse their power.  Just from hearing a lot of stories on the internet, and than infer that it must be under reported.  Pffft.  Look who's biased.  How can the police even start to give people breaks when assholes like you just keep turning the cycle of hate.  Good job.

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

just shows that many cops abuse their power too much.

You've got to be kidding me.  How do you know that "most" cops abuse their power.  Just from hearing a lot of stories on the internet, and than infer that it must be under reported.  Pffft.  Look who's biased.  How can the police even start to give people breaks when assholes like you just keep turning the cycle of hate.  Good job.

agreed, here, the local police are a joke, but the sheriff depts are running tight ships, but I don't judge all police based on the actions of my locals

Dersmikner wrote:

1) Did nobody here read about the BATFE agents who pulled people over after a legal gun show, confiscated..........

2) You're kidding yourself if you don't think we live in a police state right now.

3) Buddy of mine in a small Texas town was dating a cop's ex-wife...........

4) I was actually standing in a parking lot waiting to tailgate one time and two cops came and took everyone's license and ran checks on them. Seems a little like a police state to me.

5) I'd be a zillionaire if democracy inevitably didn't degenerate into bullshit socialism.

6) I am fully aware that it could be much, much worse, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that this is any kind of Utopia for personal or property rights.

1) Personal police/agent problem, does not represent even close to a majority of LEO's.

2) No, you're just way over biased, and think that a few select cases (even if there are hundreds) represent the hundreds of thousands of Law Enforcement Officers there are in this country.

3)Once again, personal police/agent problem, does not represent the whole.

4) Pro-active policing, what if they ran a check and found a rapist that was wanted in another state....they're just running plates, depending on the cop, if they find you have like outdated tabs,etc, they might not ticket you, but if they do, its your own damn fault for not following the rules, the police aren't harrassing you, they are making sure people are following the law.

5) Hmmm, when the top 5-7% in this country pay 95% of the taxes, who do you think is going to get the most breaks.....duh.  Take an economics class.

6) Of course it could be worse, and of course it could be better, but DO NOT just blanket "most" LEO's as corrupt or that we live in a police state (depending on your definition, of course we do), but most cops are pretty decent, there will always be a percentage that are corrupted.  Take a police ethics course and the history of policing to learn more, and don't just post biased crap about how I'm blind because my view is different and possibly (please don't think I'm trying to be authoritative, I said possibly) more accurate than yours.

Take it easy, stay safe.

Future Cop (next spring)

kr@cker wrote:

agreed, here, the local police are a joke, but the sheriff depts are running tight ships, but I don't judge all police based on the actions of my locals

Good to hear.  I don't think I was referring to you, or maybe I was and just needed clarification. 

Stay safe.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

what is the driving force behind you wanting to become a peace officer. curious

To protect those in need of help, ensure that the law is being followed no matter who has offended it.  I mostly want to help people and make sure that the law is applied fairly.  More than anything, I want to be there in a time of dire need of safety from danger.

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

what is the driving force behind you wanting to become a peace officer. curious

To protect those in need of help, ensure that the law is being followed no matter who has offended it.  I mostly want to help people and make sure that the law is applied fairly.  More than anything, I want to be there in a time of dire need of safety from danger.

just dont be like a whole bunch of police officers that assume the worst out of a citizen.  i guess im saying is avoid turning people into criminals before they commit a crime.

ive ran into a lot of cops that dont seem to follow that suite.  the majority of cops I have run into assume the worst out of you and treat you as if you were a low life peice of shit.  Condescending remarks and patrionizing gestures.  even after my military service and time in Iraq I have been treated this way by peace officers.  To have them even go as far as lying on a police report to justify an arrest.  but, im from LA and the reputation cops have out here is not unfounded.  I am also a very dark hispanic male that lives in an area with the poplutation being predominantly black and hispanic.  I dont like throwing out the race card but when you got cops driving by looking at you as if you are hiding drugs or a gun every single time, hoping they could notice something just to have an excuse to pull you over. I dont hate cops, I just dont dig being policed.  In the military everybody is judged, not by their skin, but how well of a soldier they are.  Black/White/Brown is all out the picture.  MLK would be proud.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I dont hate cops, I just dont dig being policed.Black/White/Brown is all out the picture.  MLK would be proud.

God I can't stand that, And thats why I'm joining, to be professional, and to demand respect.

hey man you've got the right to use the race card there because it happens a lot, I've done lots of studying in that area, (old profesor was a cop in LA county and San Bernadino)

I get why you don't want to be policed in that fashioned, but that certainly is not the intent, it is just a side affect of getting jaded by the job, because honestly, at least in the LA area, blacks and hispanics are committing the most crimes in that area, so its easy to look at someone like you and go, hey time to go fishing, and the younger the better.  Its so hard not to see blacks/hispanics that way, AS a cop because you are overexposed to it.  Get it?

Once again, exactly why I want to join up, because I think I can make a difference and be fair, or at least try my damndest. 

Whew, a definite stay safe to you, if you haven't taken a law class or something like it, you'd be smart to, because if you know the law, you have a tool against the police to corruptly police you.

Last edited by AlbertWesker[RE] (2006-07-31 19:46:57)

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

we need more idealists like you who actually care about doing the job instead of killing time on patrol.

Thanks my friend, sometimes I feel like its wasted breath, at least in this day and age, but I'll damn try.  We need more people like you, who express your discontent with the police in an articulate way.  Because you definitely have a point.

Last edited by AlbertWesker[RE] (2006-07-31 19:52:10)

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

pretty soon though, i wont have to worry about police.  heading over seas again within a year, not soon enough though.

Oh your still in? What branch?, stay safe, prayers with ya.

Future LEO, I don't think by any stretch of the imagination that "most" LEOs are bad people, or some kind of power hungry bastards. That kind of blanket accusation would say well more about the accuser than the accused.

What I AM saying is that there is something fundamentally wrong with our society.

In my opinion it's just plain wrong that a police officer can walk up to a citizen who is commiting no visible crime, and ask to see his proof of identification, and can then run that ID against a database. That's just plain fishing, and the next step is walking into my house just to make sure I don't have pot (which I don't, but I damned sure wouldn't let anyone in either way).

And tax breaks? Give me a break. Tell me what is fair about this: Guy A makes 25,000. He is in the 18% nominal tax bracket (or whatever the hell it is). He gets a fat deduction for his kids, he takes his personal deduction, he deducts child care and everything else under the sun. When it's all said and done if he pays ANYTHING he's in a 10% effective tax rate.

Guy B borrowed money, studied harder, worked 65 hour weeks until he made it, and makes 250,000 a year. He's in a 39.6% nominal bracket. His kids are worth jack crap in deductions. When it's all said and done he is in a 26% effective bracket, even after saving every frigging receipt from Burger King and calling it a business meeting. He's got to stay in the DARK grey just to get down to 26%.

Guy A is paying $2,500 in taxes to our fair country.

Guy B is paying $65,000.

Guy B pays 26 TIMES the amount Guy A pays. Because he worked harder. You don't just pay more because you make more, you pay a BIGGER CHUNK of what you make. That's just frigging ridiculous.

Is Guy B getting 26 times the services from the government? Shit no. He's likely getting less because he doesn't qualify for all the nice things the government does for the lazy.

Even if we were getting the same shake Guy B would be paying as much as Guy A makes. That's unfair if you ask me, but that ain't the end of it. Nope, they ask for a bigger piece percentage of the bigger pie.

Socialism.

Try this on for size: I have to match my employees' social security deductions. I have to pay unemployment insurance on them. And the best one is that anything I buy this year like shelves, computers, equipment, etc, that I keep next year, I get taxed on next year too as "property tax". Nice. Buy it now, pay your 8.25% sales tax, and if you still have it at the end of the year, pay us some more.

No sir, this is straight ass socialism, and to top it off, our personal liberties are being eroded every day. If we can't bring back Ronald Reagan, then Charleton Heston should be de-Alzheimered and made President.

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

just shows that many cops abuse their power too much.

You've got to be kidding me.  How do you know that "most" cops abuse their power.  Just from hearing a lot of stories on the internet, and than infer that it must be under reported.  Pffft.  Look who's biased.  How can the police even start to give people breaks when assholes like you just keep turning the cycle of hate.  Good job.

I can't believe that you quoted my post but didn't even read it. i said MANY not MOST, implying exactly what you said, that many bad apples ruin it for the whole bunch.

And it's not a "cycle of hate" just because I see a story and comment my opinion of it, most of my knowledge of police abuse of power comes from newspaper articles for credited papers such as The Age (ie: police taking bribes, police beating protesters) and from the behaviour of my local cop force. These cops seem to make it their job to give us teenagers a hard time. Once I was riding my bike at night without a helmet so a cop car pulls over, accuses me of stealing not only the bike, but the magazine I was carrying and the jacket I was wearing, he then questioned me about "how much I'd hard to drink " (no drink at all for you people watching at home) and then tryed to arrest me, lucky I know my rights.

Want a local at police brutality? Take a local at many of America's peaceful protests (such as the WTO protests in Seattle) where police turned these protests into beating sessions. Or the Democratic National Convention protests where police started shooting rubber bullets and beat up the protesters. And it wasn't just a few "bad apples" the police chief himself authorised the police to "clear the area".

I don't make these statements just because it seems like the trend, give any human being any power at all and watch them lord this power over others, for some reason it's human nature.

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

what is the driving force behind you wanting to become a peace officer. curious

To protect those in need of help, ensure that the law is being followed no matter who has offended it.  I mostly want to help people and make sure that the law is applied fairly.  More than anything, I want to be there in a time of dire need of safety from danger.

Well then become a real hero and become a fire fighter, that way you can save people and never worry about taking a life.