You cant talk about how interesting it is and all, but if i saw some 7 foot nutter doing that, knowing he was about to run at me very fast with painful intent, i'd shit myself.
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I'm an aussie, and my girlfriend is Kiwirootbeer73 wrote:
AND THE BEST WOMANMongoose wrote:
i love new zealand, they have the coolest accents
I realize that this is in DB&ST but, I'm afraid I wouldn't be intimidated, I'd have a tough time keeping a straight face.Tyferra wrote:
This is a recent issue which means more to me than most of you, but I'd still appreciate your opinions.
The Haka is a New Zealand sporting, (and cultural,) tradition. It is mostly performed before big international games, so I'll be concentrating more on the sporting side of it.
The Haka is a Maori war dance, used to intimidate opponents. Those of you who know a bit about rugby will know that it is synonymous with our national team, the All Blacks, although some other teams choose to do the same. Regardless, the message of the Haka dosn't really carry the same message as it does with the All Blacks as we suck at everything but rugby.
There are mixed feelings in the international community for it. Some think it's a joke, (Americans, I'm looking at you,) some respect it and some even market it, (Italians decided to add the Haka to an ad for a new car - no-one told them that women don't do the Haka,) regardless, they still let us do it, which is cool.
Mostly there is one Haka, "Ka'Mate" which can be viewed, (crappy video from a French test a while ago, led by AB captain Tana Umanga,) here.
This one is the most known one, and is subject to a lot of ridicule, mostly from the Aussies. When the NZ basketball team went to America for a big international competition they decided to do this Haka too. since NZ sucks at Basketball the US sporting headlines were "They can't play, but they can dance!" The next year when we came back we came third, (while America came fifth or something,) the apologetic headlines were "They can play and they can dance!"
Recently the Aussies have been having a go at it, editing in to a video of the Haka the All Blacks wearing handbags, (related to the fact that Tana Umanga had hit team mate Chris Masoe over the head with one when they were a bit wasted at the pub.) Since we've never minding a bit of ribbing from the Aussies we all had a good laugh and the All Blacks threashed them the next weekend.
Lately at the Try Nations between NZ, Australia and South Africa th All Blacks have opted for a different Haka - "Kapa o Pango" - this is where this gets problematic. but before I go on, here's a recent video of it here, (last weekends game between NZ and South Africa.)
The main problem with this is the throat-cutting motion near the end. Some nay-sayers are complaining that this is too violent and intimidating.
News flash! It's a fucking war-dance! It's meant to be intimidating! the Haka has always been vicious, "Ka'mate" was written by Te Rauparaha, (who was a Maori Chief,) about his exploits down to the South Island to get Utu, (revenge,) on another tribe. He mercilously slaughtered them and ate the dead chiefs in front of the few captives he left alive. Nevertheless the translated words don't suggest this and it is really the actions that go with it which communicates the story - and people can interpret actions how they wish.
What's worse I feel, is that people are quite happy to insult it, ridicule it or capitalise off it, but when we perform it violently, (or whatever the fuck they're complaining about,) they find the need to complain! Well fuck that!
The game tonight is between Australia and New Zealand. No doubt we will still do the Haka, and relating to the debate at hand it will be "Kapa o Pango" and no doubt we will fucking thrash the Aussies again.
I'm interested in your guys' opinions. Do you think it's impressive or too violent? Do you think it's pointless or interesting and unique? (well... not quite - Fiji and Samoa do similar things, although it dosn't carry the same weight behind it.)
More importantly, do you think that those PC complainers should go fuck off about 'violent' actions in 'Kapa o Pango' or do you agree with them and reckon we should tone it down a bit?
Sorry for writing a lot, I am prone to these oubursts.
For recap: "Ka'Mate" - 'traditional' All Black Haka.
"Kapa o Pango" - new Haka.
But it's more of a tradition type of thing, from what I see. Though I'm probably wrong...and shouldn't be frowned upon.
Rugby Union... the game in which you can stand on your opponents head with studded boots and the opponent is in the wrong... I think the Haka is the least violent image that could come of the game played in heaven.
The haka is choice, cuzy-bro (a translation for any kiwi reading this)
The haka is choice, cuzy-bro (a translation for any kiwi reading this)
same m8. and she can suck a golf ball thru a garden hosedhoar4 wrote:
I'm an aussie, and my girlfriend is Kiwirootbeer73 wrote:
AND THE BEST WOMANMongoose wrote:
i love new zealand, they have the coolest accents
Speaking from living in the States, I have never seen that before........but now that I have, that's badass! Sorry if anyone over here thinks it's a joke. Those guys were way intense, and the throat slitting part in the end fucking rules. Anybody that has a problem with it being too violent needs to grow some balls and eat some red meat.
Even though I have zero knowledge about the sport, and didn't bother watching the video's, all I gotta say is, dance on, little New Zealanders, dance on. And to those of you who think a war dance is "inappropriate", grow some fucking testicles, it IS a competition after all.....you should be happy they don't devour their vanquished opponents in rugby......they don't, right?
Ditto. I'm also from the states and I've never seen anything like that before, especially at a sporting event. It might not be all that intimidating, but it's pretty cool to watch. Forcing them to stop it would be like forcing other players to not wear crosses or point at the sky after they make a good play since not everyone believes in their religion and some might find it offensive.D6717C wrote:
Speaking from living in the States, I have never seen that before........but now that I have, that's badass! Sorry if anyone over here thinks it's a joke. Those guys were way intense, and the throat slitting part in the end fucking rules. Anybody that has a problem with it being too violent needs to grow some balls and eat some red meat.
I say keep it. It's unique, creative, and it fucking rocks.
You've obviously never played against 15 maoris...I played school rugby league and rugby union. When we played a team full of maoris, they ALWAYS did the Haka. It has got to be the fiercest thing I've ever seen in sport. There's so much emotion they put into it. And when there's emotion, you know you're in trouble...PspRpg-7 wrote:
I realize that this is in DB&ST but, I'm afraid I wouldn't be intimidated, I'd have a tough time keeping a straight face.Tyferra wrote:
This is a recent issue which means more to me than most of you, but I'd still appreciate your opinions.
The Haka is a New Zealand sporting, (and cultural,) tradition. It is mostly performed before big international games, so I'll be concentrating more on the sporting side of it.
The Haka is a Maori war dance, used to intimidate opponents. Those of you who know a bit about rugby will know that it is synonymous with our national team, the All Blacks, although some other teams choose to do the same. Regardless, the message of the Haka dosn't really carry the same message as it does with the All Blacks as we suck at everything but rugby.
There are mixed feelings in the international community for it. Some think it's a joke, (Americans, I'm looking at you,) some respect it and some even market it, (Italians decided to add the Haka to an ad for a new car - no-one told them that women don't do the Haka,) regardless, they still let us do it, which is cool.
Mostly there is one Haka, "Ka'Mate" which can be viewed, (crappy video from a French test a while ago, led by AB captain Tana Umanga,) here.
This one is the most known one, and is subject to a lot of ridicule, mostly from the Aussies. When the NZ basketball team went to America for a big international competition they decided to do this Haka too. since NZ sucks at Basketball the US sporting headlines were "They can't play, but they can dance!" The next year when we came back we came third, (while America came fifth or something,) the apologetic headlines were "They can play and they can dance!"
Recently the Aussies have been having a go at it, editing in to a video of the Haka the All Blacks wearing handbags, (related to the fact that Tana Umanga had hit team mate Chris Masoe over the head with one when they were a bit wasted at the pub.) Since we've never minding a bit of ribbing from the Aussies we all had a good laugh and the All Blacks threashed them the next weekend.
Lately at the Try Nations between NZ, Australia and South Africa th All Blacks have opted for a different Haka - "Kapa o Pango" - this is where this gets problematic. but before I go on, here's a recent video of it here, (last weekends game between NZ and South Africa.)
The main problem with this is the throat-cutting motion near the end. Some nay-sayers are complaining that this is too violent and intimidating.
News flash! It's a fucking war-dance! It's meant to be intimidating! the Haka has always been vicious, "Ka'mate" was written by Te Rauparaha, (who was a Maori Chief,) about his exploits down to the South Island to get Utu, (revenge,) on another tribe. He mercilously slaughtered them and ate the dead chiefs in front of the few captives he left alive. Nevertheless the translated words don't suggest this and it is really the actions that go with it which communicates the story - and people can interpret actions how they wish.
What's worse I feel, is that people are quite happy to insult it, ridicule it or capitalise off it, but when we perform it violently, (or whatever the fuck they're complaining about,) they find the need to complain! Well fuck that!
The game tonight is between Australia and New Zealand. No doubt we will still do the Haka, and relating to the debate at hand it will be "Kapa o Pango" and no doubt we will fucking thrash the Aussies again.
I'm interested in your guys' opinions. Do you think it's impressive or too violent? Do you think it's pointless or interesting and unique? (well... not quite - Fiji and Samoa do similar things, although it dosn't carry the same weight behind it.)
More importantly, do you think that those PC complainers should go fuck off about 'violent' actions in 'Kapa o Pango' or do you agree with them and reckon we should tone it down a bit?
Sorry for writing a lot, I am prone to these oubursts.
For recap: "Ka'Mate" - 'traditional' All Black Haka.
"Kapa o Pango" - new Haka.
But it's more of a tradition type of thing, from what I see. Though I'm probably wrong...and shouldn't be frowned upon.
Mind you, we never lost against them...They just hit really hard...
Any sheep blood in you?dhoar4 wrote:
I'm an aussie, and my girlfriend is Kiwirootbeer73 wrote:
AND THE BEST WOMANMongoose wrote:
i love new zealand, they have the coolest accents
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And Australia has the coolest Falcons! That pic in your sig is my favourite kinda car, +1 for you!Mongoose wrote:
i love new zealand, they have the coolest accents
Edit: Oh yeah, and the whingers who don't want the new haka used or want to take away the throat-slitting gesture, they can piss off!
Last edited by Pubic (2006-07-29 21:44:14)
I was hoping to see the new version of the all blacks haka last night at the rugby, but was dissapointed to see they had changed it.
Also as an ex kiwi, i was glad australia lost.
Also as an ex kiwi, i was glad australia lost.
Sad...You're so sad...~Smokey~ wrote:
Also as an ex kiwi, i was glad australia lost.
I know next to nothing about rugby and even less (nothing) about the Haka but I thought that was some VERY cool shit for a sporting event. It's rare to see any kind of cultural display in that setting, sports events have gotten so generic and PC that I've nearly lost interest.
What I find interesting here is that people can be so offended by a simple gesture in a traditional / cultural display, yet most of those same people will flock to see the latest action movie to watch (insert latest action hero here) kill (insert latest villain here) in the most gruesome, graphic and sensational ways to ever hit a theater near you.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problems at all with depictions of violence, but I DO have a problem with these hypocrites who seem to welcome violence on one hand, yet who seem so fucking offended by it on the other. Given what I've seen in my lifetime, the Haka does not stand a chance. These people will whittle and pick away at it until there is nothing left to pick at.
Once they have completed that task, they will gleefully line up to watch Batman lay waste to his opponents in his latest epic thriller.
Fucking hypocrites....
What I find interesting here is that people can be so offended by a simple gesture in a traditional / cultural display, yet most of those same people will flock to see the latest action movie to watch (insert latest action hero here) kill (insert latest villain here) in the most gruesome, graphic and sensational ways to ever hit a theater near you.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problems at all with depictions of violence, but I DO have a problem with these hypocrites who seem to welcome violence on one hand, yet who seem so fucking offended by it on the other. Given what I've seen in my lifetime, the Haka does not stand a chance. These people will whittle and pick away at it until there is nothing left to pick at.
Once they have completed that task, they will gleefully line up to watch Batman lay waste to his opponents in his latest epic thriller.
Fucking hypocrites....