I just finished talking to an Israeli...

2006-07-27 01:58:12

#1

BVC: Member; +325|6937

I just finished talking to an Israeli lady from work, who lived some 8km (5 miles) from the Lebanese border and only moved over to NZ a few years ago. She told me a lot about the situation over there...IEDs, missile attacks, Hezbollah bunkers...(if you think you might be fighting Arabs anytime soon, pay attention to that uncle whose a vietnam vet, if hes willing to talk about what he did he might have some good avice that'll help keep you in once piece!)

I'm still against all the BS thats going on over there, that much hasn't changed.

But I'm definitely closer to neutrality than I was before even a few hours ago...I've certainly heard the guts of the Muslim/Hezbollah side of things(tm) from a somewhat personal level, and now I've heard the Israeli side of things on a personal level...and you know what I think now?

They're both as bad...and as good...as each other. The sad thing about the wider ongoing conflict is, both sides have very valid (and very conflicting) points; the Arabs have a right to their land, but the Israelis have a right to exist, and at the moment the two rights are utterly incompatible. Though peace is a nice idea, I honestly believe it just isn't possible, and the only realistic way for all the BS there to end is for one side to be utterly defeated, once and for all.

And damn, I must say, I'm sooooooooooo glad to be living in the middle of nowhere; good food, shelter, I get to vote, the closest I'm likely to come to any sort of evacuation is if theres a big flood or earthquake, and when I'm playing BF2 the worst thing I have to worry about is a bit of Wake Island carrier rape (ie. imaginary bullets)...and certainly not real-life artillery and missiles hitting my house!

Hearing both sides of the story up close, it really makes you think sometimes...

Last edited by Pubic (2006-07-27 01:59:27)

2006-07-27 17:08:17

#2

Major_Spittle: Banned; +276|6897|United States of America

chirp..... chirp..... chirp.....

2006-07-27 17:19:46

#3

K8Kommunist: Member; +26|6808

Pubic wrote:
I just finished talking to an Israeli lady from work, who lived some 8km (5 miles) from the Lebanese border and only moved over to NZ a few years ago. She told me a lot about the situation over there...IEDs, missile attacks, Hezbollah bunkers...(if you think you might be fighting Arabs anytime soon, pay attention to that uncle whose a vietnam vet, if hes willing to talk about what he did he might have some good avice that'll help keep you in once piece!)

I'm still against all the BS thats going on over there, that much hasn't changed.

But I'm definitely closer to neutrality than I was before even a few hours ago...I've certainly heard the guts of the Muslim/Hezbollah side of things(tm) from a somewhat personal level, and now I've heard the Israeli side of things on a personal level...and you know what I think now?

They're both as bad...and as good...as each other. The sad thing about the wider ongoing conflict is, both sides have very valid (and very conflicting) points; the Arabs have a right to their land, but the Israelis have a right to exist, and at the moment the two rights are utterly incompatible. Though peace is a nice idea, I honestly believe it just isn't possible, and the only realistic way for all the BS there to end is for one side to be utterly defeated, once and for all.

And damn, I must say, I'm sooooooooooo glad to be living in the middle of nowhere; good food, shelter, I get to vote, the closest I'm likely to come to any sort of evacuation is if theres a big flood or earthquake, and when I'm playing BF2 the worst thing I have to worry about is a bit of Wake Island carrier rape (ie. imaginary bullets)...and certainly not real-life artillery and missiles hitting my house!

Hearing both sides of the story up close, it really makes you think sometimes...

OH NO! A balanced and well thought out opinion??!??!! Quickly, BAN!!!!

2006-07-27 19:19:02

#4

jonsimon: Member; +224|6737

K8Kommunist wrote:
Pubic wrote:
I just finished talking to an Israeli lady from work, who lived some 8km (5 miles) from the Lebanese border and only moved over to NZ a few years ago. She told me a lot about the situation over there...IEDs, missile attacks, Hezbollah bunkers...(if you think you might be fighting Arabs anytime soon, pay attention to that uncle whose a vietnam vet, if hes willing to talk about what he did he might have some good avice that'll help keep you in once piece!)

I'm still against all the BS thats going on over there, that much hasn't changed.

But I'm definitely closer to neutrality than I was before even a few hours ago...I've certainly heard the guts of the Muslim/Hezbollah side of things(tm) from a somewhat personal level, and now I've heard the Israeli side of things on a personal level...and you know what I think now?

They're both as bad...and as good...as each other. The sad thing about the wider ongoing conflict is, both sides have very valid (and very conflicting) points; the Arabs have a right to their land, but the Israelis have a right to exist, and at the moment the two rights are utterly incompatible. Though peace is a nice idea, I honestly believe it just isn't possible, and the only realistic way for all the BS there to end is for one side to be utterly defeated, once and for all.

And damn, I must say, I'm sooooooooooo glad to be living in the middle of nowhere; good food, shelter, I get to vote, the closest I'm likely to come to any sort of evacuation is if theres a big flood or earthquake, and when I'm playing BF2 the worst thing I have to worry about is a bit of Wake Island carrier rape (ie. imaginary bullets)...and certainly not real-life artillery and missiles hitting my house!

Hearing both sides of the story up close, it really makes you think sometimes...
OH NO! A balanced and well thought out opinion??!??!! Quickly, BAN!!!!

SOUND THE ALARM! LETS MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON THE POSTER!

2006-07-27 19:50:57

#5

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6771|Global Command

Bah,
What he is saying doesn't deserve flamming or derail, you tools.
I thank God everyday my biggest worry everyday is money and traffic.

2006-07-27 20:35:42

#6

alpinestar: Member; +304|6838|New York City baby.

The Israelis attacked first they are the enemy in my book, body count is above 600 now, UN observator/peacekeepers get bombed despite 10 warnings from UN before bombardment, still think both sides are evil ?

2006-07-27 20:41:35

#7

Capt. Foley: Member; +155|6829|Allentown, PA, USA

alpinestar wrote:
The Israelis attacked first they are the enemy in my book, body count is above 600 now, UN observator/peacekeepers get bombed despite 10 warnings from UN before bombardment, still think both sides are evil ?

This might amaze you but Hez. attacked first by going behind Isreale lines and kiddnapping 3 of there soldiers(in 2 different raids). And if you belive that bull shit that Isreal shelled a family on the beach your even stupider then I thought.

2006-07-27 20:46:36

#8

alpinestar: Member; +304|6838|New York City baby.

Capt. Foley wrote:
alpinestar wrote:
The Israelis attacked first they are the enemy in my book, body count is above 600 now, UN observator/peacekeepers get bombed despite 10 warnings from UN before bombardment, still think both sides are evil ?
This might amaze you but Hez. attacked first by going behind Isreale lines and kiddnapping 3 of there soldiers(in 2 different raids). And if you belive that bull shit that Isreal shelled a family on the beach your even stupider then I thought.

Things like that happen all over the world, none of them are followed with full scale military operation potentially leading to war, I know about the kidnapping and it was 1 soldier rest was killed or something but looks like they made up with 600 civilians to date for all the suicide bomber casualties since 47

2006-07-27 20:50:15

#9

kr@cker: Bringin' Sexy Back!; +581|6791|Southeastern USA

war is not won by exacting equivalent damage, but by overpowering

edited: for using xietsu

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-07-27 20:51:33)

2006-07-27 20:59:11

#10

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6771|Global Command

The outpost was reporting
" Hezbollah miltants operating from their section. "
Just like these crazy bastards shooting rockets and then running into a Mosque. The were lobbing rockets and mortars from nearby the outpost.
If Israel DID do it on purpose was to send a message " Get out of your fucking bunkers and do something to make these asshole stop launching missles! "
If U.N. observers are there to only observe and not intervene then maybe they should do it like the rest of us and watch from tv or the internet.

Hezbollah drew fire on that posistiion if anything.

2006-07-27 21:00:46

#11

NASTY_BUTLER: Member; +41|6755|Infiltrating the Smurf Village

TOP has an Israeli member.....call us for an interview.

2006-07-27 21:05:07

#12

alpinestar: Member; +304|6838|New York City baby.

NASTY_BUTLER wrote:
TOP has an Israeli member.....call us for an interview.

not all Jews are bad and zionist, like anywhere else there are good people and bad people ..........

2006-07-27 21:07:51

#13

alpinestar: Member; +304|6838|New York City baby.

Alexanderthegrape wrote:
If U.N. observers are there to only observe and not intervene then maybe they should do it like the rest of us and watch from tv or the internet.

Hezbollah drew fire on that posistiion if anything.

They alarmed not to bomb the nearby locations before they dropped bombs on them 10 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!
No sane person would go as far as bombing UN

2006-07-28 05:58:00

#14

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6823|SE London

Alexanderthegrape wrote:
The outpost was reporting
" Hezbollah miltants operating from their section. "
Just like these crazy bastards shooting rockets and then running into a Mosque. The were lobbing rockets and mortars from nearby the outpost.
If Israel DID do it on purpose was to send a message " Get out of your fucking bunkers and do something to make these asshole stop launching missles! "
If U.N. observers are there to only observe and not intervene then maybe they should do it like the rest of us and watch from tv or the internet.

Hezbollah drew fire on that posistiion if anything.

To observe properly you need to be there, however the terms of their involvement insist that the observers there be unarmed, at the request of the Israelis and the Lebanese.
The Chinese seem quite pissed off about it anyway, they're sending an investigating team over led by the deputy director of their peacekeeping troops and including many other senior officials from the ministry of defence. Hope they get things sorted out before these crazy Israelis make this mess with the crazy Arabs any worse.

2006-07-28 06:03:09

#15

T0rr3nt: Member; +54|6819|Michigan

alpinestar wrote:
Capt. Foley wrote:
alpinestar wrote:
The Israelis attacked first they are the enemy in my book, body count is above 600 now, UN observator/peacekeepers get bombed despite 10 warnings from UN before bombardment, still think both sides are evil ?
This might amaze you but Hez. attacked first by going behind Isreale lines and kiddnapping 3 of there soldiers(in 2 different raids). And if you belive that bull shit that Isreal shelled a family on the beach your even stupider then I thought.
Things like that happen all over the world, none of them are followed with full scale military operation potentially leading to war, I know about the kidnapping and it was 1 soldier rest was killed or something but looks like they made up with 600 civilians to date for all the suicide bomber casualties since 47

israels held back long enough and has used channels of diplomacy enough, sometimes the fuckhead just wont listen and the only way of showing that you are stong is flexing that military muscle.

2006-07-28 09:34:31