BVC
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So I've just read there are signs that Israel may be using chemical weapons in Lebanon.  What are your thoughts on this?

Link:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3745739a10,00.html

Israelis 'using chemical weapons' - doctors
27 July 2006 

BEIRUT: Lebanon is investigating reports from doctors that Israel has used weapons in its 15-day-old bombardment of southern Lebanon that have caused wounds they have never seen before.

"We are sending off samples tomorrow, but we have no confirmation yet that illegal weapons have been used," Health Minister Mohammed Khalife said. The Israeli army said it had used only conventional weapons and ammunition in attacks aimed at Hizbollah guerrillas and nothing contravening international law.

Blackened bodies have been showing up at hospitals in southern Lebanon two weeks into the war between Israel and Hizbollah guerrillas that has seen at least 418 people, mostly civilians, killed in Lebanon and at least 42 Israelis.

Killed by Israeli air raids, the Lebanese dead are charred in a way local doctors, who have lived through years of civil war and Israeli occupation, say they have not seen before.

Bachir Cham, a Belgian-Lebanese doctor at the Southern Medical Centre in Sidon, received eight bodies after an Israeli air raid on nearby Rmeili which he said exhibited such wounds.

He has taken 24 samples from the bodies to test what killed them. He believes it is a chemical.

Cham said the bodies of some victims were "black as shoes, so they are definitely using chemical weapons. They are all black but their hair and skin is intact so they are not really burnt. It is something else."

"If you burnt someone with petrol their hair would burn and their skin would burn down to the bone. The Israelis are 100 per cent using chemical weapons."

Lebanese President Emile Lahoud has repeatedly accused Israel of using phosphorus bombs in its offensive.

Human Rights Watch, which has accused the Israeli army of using cluster bombs in populated areas of southern Lebanon, said it had not verified claims that Israel had used phosphorus.

"We are investigating but we haven't confirmed anything yet. We have seen phosphorus used before and we have seen it in the artillery stocks of the Israeli army in the north," said Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch.

"Phosphorus shells do have a legitimate use in illuminating the battlefield at night. The offensive use of phosphorus would be a violation of international conventions."

Television footage shows some bodies, such as those of 20 civilians killed when an Israeli missile hit the van in which they were fleeing the border village of Marwaheen, blackened in the way Cham describes. No one knows what killed them.

"We are seeing abnormal burns, different from wars we've seen in the past. The corpses of these victims are shrinking to half their normal size. You think it is the corpse of a child at first but it turns out to be a grown man," said Raed Salman Zeinedine, director of Tyre Government Hospital.

"We've never seen anything like it but what the causes are I don't want to speculate. We have no scientific answer."

The Israel Army said it did not target civilians at all.

"We use only weapons and ammunition which will best hit our targets and cause least collateral damage," said army spokesman Captain Jacob Dallal.

"It could be that a body is burned from fire or the force of an explosion, but between that and suggesting we do something illegal under international law are two different things."
GunSlinger OIF II
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i disregard everything that has to do with alleged use of chemical weapons by US/Allies against targets in the middle east.  after reading about what they said was done to civilians in fallujah, what load of garbage!
King_County_Downy
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+2,791|6838|Seattle

Preposterous.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
ATG
Banned
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More propaganda.
delta4bravo*nl*
Dutch Delight
+68|6993
another load of bullshit from lebanon.

Israel knows that if it uses chemical weapons it will have a trade ban on there ass and have no more allies.
The_Fighting_69th
Combat medic
+6|6994
pure BS
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6790|Southeastern USA
who is to say these ghastly results didn't come from something the targets were hoping to launch themselves, but were breached by incoming conventional weapons?
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7009
Chemical weapons?? Come on...

check out these fake links!!

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m25033&l … 1&hd=0
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2006/07/843002.shtml
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4958.shtml

Maybe these ambulances could have helped if they were not bombed to shit

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/ … 42,00.html

But lets not forget Israel has been spying on you guys!

http://www.wrmea.com/archives/November_ … 11019.html

Insert right wing dismissal of these stories below.
T0rr3nt
Member
+54|6818|Michigan
its called fire and it burns/chars you.
BVC
Member
+325|6937
I did say MAY...meaning I'm not sure myself, yet believe its worthy of discussion nonetheless
Erkut.hv
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+124|6976|California

BN wrote:

Maybe these ambulances could have helped if they were not bombed to shit

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/ … 42,00.html
<extreme.sarcasm>
Because the enemy would never put munitions inside of amublances to keep them safe. just like they would never ever hide inside of a mosque, or use human shields. They are a noble bunch of fighters merely trying to defend themselves from the dirty money grubbing hooked nosed zionists.
</extreme.sarcasm>

Couldn't be them chemical wepaons Iraq *may have* posessed somehow ended up in the Hezzbiznilldillas hands? Then perhaps the building where they were kept were blown to bits, thus releasing said agents into the air?
CameronPoe
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Erkut.hv wrote:

BN wrote:

Maybe these ambulances could have helped if they were not bombed to shit

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/ … 42,00.html
<extreme.sarcasm>
Because the enemy would never put munitions inside of amublances to keep them safe. just like they would never ever hide inside of a mosque, or use human shields. They are a noble bunch of fighters merely trying to defend themselves from the dirty money grubbing hooked nosed zionists.
</extreme.sarcasm>

Couldn't be them chemical wepaons Iraq *may have* posessed somehow ended up in the Hezzbiznilldillas hands? Then perhaps the building where they were kept were blown to bits, thus releasing said agents into the air?
Although I severely doubt Israel are using chemical weapons, Erkut's fantasising about Iraqi WMD are funny and indicative of the way in which many on this forum will strive to do or say anthing to justify Israeli actions. At least I concede that Hezbollah are being a pack of nobs for attacking civilians.
Erkut.hv
Member
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CameronPoe wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

BN wrote:

Maybe these ambulances could have helped if they were not bombed to shit

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/ … 42,00.html
<extreme.sarcasm>
Because the enemy would never put munitions inside of amublances to keep them safe. just like they would never ever hide inside of a mosque, or use human shields. They are a noble bunch of fighters merely trying to defend themselves from the dirty money grubbing hooked nosed zionists.
</extreme.sarcasm>

Couldn't be them chemical wepaons Iraq *may have* posessed somehow ended up in the Hezzbiznilldillas hands? Then perhaps the building where they were kept were blown to bits, thus releasing said agents into the air?
Although I severely doubt Israel are using chemical weapons, Erkut's fantasising about Iraqi WMD are funny and indicative of the way in which many on this forum will strive to do or say anthing to justify Israeli actions. At least I concede that Hezbollah are being a pack of nobs for attacking civilians.
I can't go into conspiracies now? This whole thread is based on bullshat. At least allow me to enter the realm of fantasy with the OP.
CameronPoe
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Erkut.hv wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:


<extreme.sarcasm>
Because the enemy would never put munitions inside of amublances to keep them safe. just like they would never ever hide inside of a mosque, or use human shields. They are a noble bunch of fighters merely trying to defend themselves from the dirty money grubbing hooked nosed zionists.
</extreme.sarcasm>

Couldn't be them chemical wepaons Iraq *may have* posessed somehow ended up in the Hezzbiznilldillas hands? Then perhaps the building where they were kept were blown to bits, thus releasing said agents into the air?
Although I severely doubt Israel are using chemical weapons, Erkut's fantasising about Iraqi WMD are funny and indicative of the way in which many on this forum will strive to do or say anthing to justify Israeli actions. At least I concede that Hezbollah are being a pack of nobs for attacking civilians.
I can't go into conspiracies now? This whole thread is based on bullshat. At least allow me to enter the realm of fantasy with the OP.
Fair enough I suppose.
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6976|California

CameronPoe wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Although I severely doubt Israel are using chemical weapons, Erkut's fantasising about Iraqi WMD are funny and indicative of the way in which many on this forum will strive to do or say anthing to justify Israeli actions. At least I concede that Hezbollah are being a pack of nobs for attacking civilians.
I can't go into conspiracies now? This whole thread is based on bullshat. At least allow me to enter the realm of fantasy with the OP.
Fair enough I suppose.
Why thank you sir, I'll be holding a thread on freemasonry and the illuminati in the upcoming days.

Alex Jones FTW
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7009

Erkut.hv wrote:

BN wrote:

Maybe these ambulances could have helped if they were not bombed to shit

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/ … 42,00.html
<extreme.sarcasm>
Because the enemy would never put munitions inside of amublances to keep them safe. just like they would never ever hide inside of a mosque, or use human shields. They are a noble bunch of fighters merely trying to defend themselves from the dirty money grubbing hooked nosed zionists.
</extreme.sarcasm>

Couldn't be them chemical wepaons Iraq *may have* posessed somehow ended up in the Hezzbiznilldillas hands? Then perhaps the building where they were kept were blown to bits, thus releasing said agents into the air?
bomb all ambulances just in case

What about the residential building in Tyre? Israel was targeting a "bad guy" but he was not home. Just 30 odd civilians who are now intertwined in piles of rubble.

The only way Israel will ever be held to account is if the USA is removed of its veto power in the UN.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
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WARNING!!! RIGHT WING DISMISSAL STORY!!!

Hezbollah has been (among many many other things) :

A) using ambulances to transport troops and supplies
B) preventing civilians from leaving areas they operate out of and have supply caches in


they do this so gullible people will become outraged when the IDF fires back and :

A) hits ambulances
B) hits civilians

why don't you try getting pissed at the hezzies for once?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6931|Tampa Bay Florida

kr@cker wrote:

WARNING!!! RIGHT WING DISMISSAL STORY!!!

Hezbollah has been (among many many other things) :

A) using ambulances to transport troops and supplies
B) preventing civilians from leaving areas they operate out of and have supply caches in


they do this so gullible people will become outraged when the IDF fires back and :

A) hits ambulances
B) hits civilians

why don't you try getting pissed at the hezzies for once?
When has a lefty ever denied those statements?  Show me proof that a liberal or democrat has ever said Hezbollag do not use ambulances to transport troops and supplies thus preventing civilians from leaving areas they operate out of and have supply caches in.

IDK, you seem to be under the impression that all Democrats are anti-Israel.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6790|Southeastern USA
no, it was only in response to bn's "insert right wing dismissal stories below"

as for party lines and such i have voted democrat and don't judge someone til they open their mouth, while not all dems on are anti israel, on these threads the majority who are seem to be very left
The_Mob_Returns
Member
+72|6963|Indianapolis, IN
I should find the quote in the paper today from John Kerry about how had he been president, none of this would be happening.

*off to find the paper*
alpinestar
Member
+304|6837|New York City baby.
Don't think they use chemical weapons but seen quite a few news sites spreading that rumor, but I hope all their artillery shells missfire.

Last edited by alpinestar (2006-07-27 19:06:27)

The_Mob_Returns
Member
+72|6963|Indianapolis, IN
Here is John Kerry's remark about the situation in the Middle East:

"If I was president, this wouldn't have happened."    (quoted from, Kathleen Parker's column entitled "If Kerry were in charge"  Kathleen Parker is a syndicated columnist for The Washington Post)

Quite a strong statement to make, considering we don't know what the circumstances surrounding him would have been.  If I had more time, I would type up the entire article.
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7009

kr@cker wrote:

WARNING!!! RIGHT WING DISMISSAL STORY!!!

Hezbollah has been (among many many other things) :

A) using ambulances to transport troops and supplies
B) preventing civilians from leaving areas they operate out of and have supply caches in


they do this so gullible people will become outraged when the IDF fires back and :

A) hits ambulances
B) hits civilians

why don't you try getting pissed at the hezzies for once?
Let's bomb all ambulances just in case and they can fall back on your email as defence
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6790|Southeastern USA
sounds like a good win strategy to me
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7009

kr@cker wrote:

sounds like a good win strategy to me
You would be singing a different tune if it was Southeastern USA that was getting bombed. You would be crying "war crimes".

Very hypocritical.

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