ROFL, no need to rage on me little man! Let's remember who came into this thread acting like an asshole first, Lynx. And, if I decide to make that 5 minute video you better not punk out on your offer. Just make sure you know who you're talking to before you get a little poorer.lynxlyran wrote:
NOT - "That's just completely untrue. You haven't seen a really talented solo pilot/gunner if you believe this. We're just as capable of using the MG cannons as the TV missile or pilot missiles. Just because you can't doesn't mean everyone can't."Not wrote:
That's just completely untrue. You haven't seen a really talented solo pilot/gunner if you believe this. We're just as capable of using the MG cannons as the TV missile or pilot missiles. Just because you can't doesn't mean everyone can't.lynxlyran wrote:
This argument holds no water. The gunner has access to the machine gun too. Solo pilots CANNOT use the machine gun. This is a gun that makes the 1.2 BH gun look like a pea shooter. Even a noob gunner will kill dozens of enemy infantry which helps the TEAM win.
You are hurting the team by solo choppering. You also must suck as a pilot because your rockets can do all that the TV missle does but it takes skill which these solo wankers don't have so they use the TV as a crutch to make themselves believe they are 1337.
Solo pilots suck. If they had real skill they wouldn't bother with the tools in the gunners seat. If your a solo pilot and you think you need the TV to kill other choppers, you are a noob and need to get some practice with the rockets.
We must suck as pilots? Because we "Can't" use the pilot missiles? Son, I wrote a guide on these forums to using those missiles. They can do everything the TV missile can? Right...The trouble is, you have to land anywhere between 4-8 of them to blow up an important target. All it takes is 1 TV missile. That's why we use it. DERRRRRRRR. So explain to me which mod you're playing where the pilot missiles are guideable and kill things in 1 strike, or admit you're a smacktard that has to make up wild exaggerations to support your arguments. I can use those missiles just fine, its just slower and less effective. Why bother?
Even a noob gunner will kill dozens of enemy infantry? Not really, I've been up with plenty of noobs that couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat. Doesn't matter if I hover exactly 40m away and the target is AFK, they still can't hit them. I have a better chance of killing them by landing the bird on them than having my gunner actually kill them.
Also, tell me oh 1337zor ch0ppz0rz pil0t...how much of a "teamplayer" are you when you just chase crap down with the missiles? You DO realize that if you have a gunner with you and you're chasing down targets with the missiles, you're not setting up a single shot for him anywhere, right?. It really just sounds to me like you can't solo gun the TV missile to save your life so you just return to the pilot missiles as your only possible offense, and you're likely very mediocre with them anyway.
Now that I'm done tearing apart lynxlyran, I'll reiterate my previous point. I'll always fly solo if the gunner can't do his job, and very often he can't do his job. To be honest I like to gun more than anything, but the issue is more often a terrible pilot that holds me back, not a terrible gunner. I'd never solo if there was a reliable pilot in the server.
And as far as killing someone out of bounds, yeah that's kinda harsh, but I do it to literally every single person who runs to the chopper and presses F2 into the gunner seat instead of taking the chopper up. They deserve horrible deaths.
Lynx - I am sure someone out there is talented, I don't think you are. I'll give you 100 bucks by paypal for a 5 minute video of you circle hovering while gunning "dozens" of enemy troops. Oh, whats that? you CAN'T ???? Yeah, you need a PILOT to control the chopper in order to do that longer than 4 seconds. "DERRRRRRRR"
NOT - We must suck as pilots? Because we "Can't" use the pilot missiles? Son, I wrote a guide on these forums to using those missiles. They can do everything the TV missile can? Right...The trouble is, you have to land anywhere between 4-8 of them to blow up an important target. All it takes is 1 TV missile. That's why we use it. DERRRRRRRR. So explain to me which mod you're playing where the pilot missiles are guideable and kill things in 1 strike, or admit you're a smacktard that has to make up wild exaggerations to support your arguments. I can use those missiles just fine, its just slower and less effective. Why bother?
Lynx - Oooohh, he wrote a guide, stamp him as 1337. Landing 4 or more is no problem if you practice it! I play the "practice" mod all the time and I didn't even have to download it. I think the smacktard here is the guy who writes a guide and can't even use the rockets effectively. If you practice, the missles become more effective. Why Bother? BECAUSE if you were good with them, maybe you might allow a teammate into your damn chopper once and a while and start playing as a team with the team and for the team.
NOT - Even a noob gunner will kill dozens of enemy infantry? Not really, I've been up with plenty of noobs that couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat. Doesn't matter if I hover exactly 40m away and the target is AFK, they still can't hit them. I have a better chance of killing them by landing the bird on them than having my gunner actually kill them.
Lynx - When this happens, and it does, I just fire one rocket. It kills the infantry and the gunner sees what he missed. Lesson learned and we move on to the next target. You see I do practice with the rockets, I can kill armor in one pass with them, it has become easy to wipe out an enemy chopper with them and I haven't even gotten my veteran badge yet.
NOT - Also, tell me oh 1337zor ch0ppz0rz pil0t...how much of a "teamplayer" are you when you just chase crap down with the missiles? You DO realize that if you have a gunner with you and you're chasing down targets with the missiles, you're not setting up a single shot for him anywhere, right?. It really just sounds to me like you can't solo gun the TV missile to save your life so you just return to the pilot missiles as your only possible offense, and you're likely very mediocre with them anyway.
Lynx - Just so you understand, when I have a gunner, I generally don't need to chase down targets. I setup my gunner instead. If he misses, I'll make the rocket bombing run and nail the target while my gunner reloads or guns. When faced with an enemy chopper, my gunner will take the shot with the TV or chain gun. Either way it doesn't matter because I will be taking down that chopper with the rockets. When facing infantry, I use the rockets as pointers to show the gunner (even a noob one) where the targets are.
For the rest of you, when a chopper comes down and lands and you hear "get in". You can be sure its me offering you the gunners seat. When it goes OOB and the pilot is spamming "bail out" that would be NOT.
Who would YOU rather have on your TEAM????
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Ya, I'm pretty sure the first asshole was the one who said "admit you're a smacktard". No sweat.
I'd love to take you on... you soloing, me with any of my clanmates as gunner. I have 100+ hrs in chopper, with not as many kills because just like you, I spend most of my time piloting. I do have a low number of deaths though which says enough about my skill. That is of course if you'd let us take off the pad which most soloist spend the whole round ensuring that it doesn't happen. As for the circle strafing, and capping a flag, please offer me 100 dollars through paypal and I'll gladly post a video of such action. "Not ramming the building", haha, you stop doing that once you know your maps inside and out and know how far you can strafe and where every map detail is. That is where my skill comes from.Not wrote:
My limited capability in a chopper? Based on my stats? Which stats exactly? My K/D in it? Right because 9/10 times I play its with a clan mate that's a great gunner. I don't have many kill opportunities as a pilot. My time in the chopper? 35 hours is more than plenty to be damn good in it.
And please, demonstrate how to cap the city entrance flag while circle strafing, not ramming the building, or getting shot down by the TOW, Tank, or an AT kit there. I'll happily take you up on the challenge of shooting you down while circle strafing. It's not hard.
And yes, the few times I get to solo, I've averaged 60 kill rounds as USMC so...
And I mean come on, your premise is "sometimes i get a bad pilot/gunner, so I'd rather go alone", which effectively writes me out of being in the chopper, and I am 100% sure I'm at least as good as you claim to be.
But once again, I don't care if you like to be alone in the chopper, or if you really are better than the rest of the BF2 community at soloing... just don't be gay and tk me out of bounds, that's just unacceptable. Can we at least agree on that and leave the solo chopper pilot discussions for another post?
Last edited by GotMex? (2006-07-25 13:31:54)
Really? Cuz that comment was in response to this pychopathic babble. Lets highlight shall we?lynxlyran wrote:
Ya, I'm pretty sure the first asshole was the one who said "admit you're a smacktard". No sweat.
Mex, is english your first language? I've written SEVERAL times so far that I'd far prefer to be with a good gunner or a good pilot opposed to solo'ing. I've even said I'd love it if you'd fly me around because good pilots are hard to come by. You can quit with the ePenis enlargement bullshit about "I'm at least as good as you claim to be". What the hell does that mean? Have you ever been in a game with me? Neither one of us has ever seen what the other can do, so making a claim like that is downright stupid. If you say you're great, I believe you. I don't have to one up you to make me feel more confident in my own ability. My gameplay does that for me. By all means look me up, add me to xfire, and fly me around. Nothing would make me happier than not having to fly for a change.lynxlyran wrote:
This argument holds no water. The gunner has access to the machine gun too. Solo pilots CANNOT use the machine gun. This is a gun that makes the 1.2 BH gun look like a pea shooter. Even a noob gunner will kill dozens of enemy infantry which helps the TEAM win.
You are hurting the team by solo choppering. You also must suck as a pilot because your rockets can do all that the TV missle does but it takes skill which these solo wankers don't have so they use the TV as a crutch to make themselves believe they are 1337.
Solo pilots suck. If they had real skill they wouldn't bother with the tools in the gunners seat. If your a solo pilot and you think you need the TV to kill other choppers, you are a noob and need to get some practice with the rockets.
Please find in this thread where I said I preferred to fly solo so I can edit it and fix that mistake, or kindly take a vicodin and calm yourself.
And yes Mex, I 110%, wholeheartedly, without a doubt agree that it sucks to out of bounds your gunner. Completely, I will never argue against that.
Last edited by Not (2006-07-25 14:40:25)
No shut the hell up. Go die in a fucking ditch. YOU AREN'T TOUCHING MY GOD DAMN CHOPPER GOT IT?!BrOk_MoRdU wrote:
EA/Dice also needs to fix solo choppering by making the tv missile unusable unless their is someone in the pilot seat.DrunkFace wrote:
maybe it should be coded that everyone in the chopper loses health if any part if the chopper is out out bounds... or maybe just the pilot should lose health as they are in control of the vehicle and its not the gunners/passengers fault. To stop solo pilots switching to gunner to stop taking dmg they should take dmg if only one persons on the chopper... In fact maybe you should only be able to switch positions if the thing is on the ground.
@lynxlyran: Okay. You're dalian, theres a solo chopper pilot in the distance, you see him spinning. You're alone in the pilots seat. And you say you can fire four missiles and take him down? No. while you're lining up, or even while the missiles are in transit, hes going to hit you if he has skill. Soloists using TV / mg > soloists using just the pilot missiles.
Last edited by PspRpg-7 (2006-07-25 14:44:16)
No, it's my 6th language, that might be the problem.Not wrote:
Mex, is english your first language?
But ok, I'm glad we agree that out-of-boundsing is gay and should never be done.
Yes, but if you have a gunner, you have TV missles AND rockets AND machine gun... so:PspRpg-7 wrote:
@lynxlyran: Okay. You're dalian, theres a solo chopper pilot in the distance, you see him spinning. You're alone in the pilots seat. And you say you can fire four missiles and take him down? No. while you're lining up, or even while the missiles are in transit, hes going to hit you if he has skill. Soloists using TV / mg > soloists using just the pilot missiles.
Duo using TV/Rockets/MG > Solo using TV (they can't use MG).
Last edited by GotMex? (2006-07-25 14:51:24)
lol it's funny how such an innocent post always starts such an argument. From my point of view if there is no-one to take your gunner seat fly solo if you have the skill to be effective and not just crash into everything however if there is a gunner and even if he is just a lowly private give him a chance because this game is about fun and playing as a team and you may just be suprised about how good that 'noob' is as a gunner.
Everyone needs time to play the game to get better at it so flying off by yourself because you are too 1337 for everyone else or tk the gunner is just being a smacktard and you deserve a bullet to the skull. Fuck-off from BF2 and go play a real smacktard's game like CS.
Everyone needs time to play the game to get better at it so flying off by yourself because you are too 1337 for everyone else or tk the gunner is just being a smacktard and you deserve a bullet to the skull. Fuck-off from BF2 and go play a real smacktard's game like CS.
Only true if both are skilled. But yes, given the assumption that you have a competent duo, of course they're better.GotMex? wrote:
No, it's my 6th language, that might be the problem.Not wrote:
Mex, is english your first language?
But ok, I'm glad we agree that out-of-boundsing is gay and should never be done.Yes, but if you have a gunner, you have TV missles AND rockets AND machine gun... so:PspRpg-7 wrote:
@lynxlyran: Okay. You're dalian, theres a solo chopper pilot in the distance, you see him spinning. You're alone in the pilots seat. And you say you can fire four missiles and take him down? No. while you're lining up, or even while the missiles are in transit, hes going to hit you if he has skill. Soloists using TV / mg > soloists using just the pilot missiles.
Duo using TV/Rockets/MG > Solo using TV (they can't use MG).
The trouble is, especially in public games, that's quite rare.
I think PspRpg-7 was more referring to the post by lynx that claimed he could use the pilot rockets as effectively as a TV missile.
I was referring to what lynx said, but I thought some of this discussion was on solo gunning.GotMex? wrote:
No, it's my 6th language, that might be the problem.Not wrote:
Mex, is english your first language?
But ok, I'm glad we agree that out-of-boundsing is gay and should never be done.Yes, but if you have a gunner, you have TV missles AND rockets AND machine gun... so:PspRpg-7 wrote:
@lynxlyran: Okay. You're dalian, theres a solo chopper pilot in the distance, you see him spinning. You're alone in the pilots seat. And you say you can fire four missiles and take him down? No. while you're lining up, or even while the missiles are in transit, hes going to hit you if he has skill. Soloists using TV / mg > soloists using just the pilot missiles.
Duo using TV/Rockets/MG > Solo using TV (they can't use MG).
Canadians......pffftTheCanadianTerrorist wrote:
No shut the hell up. Go die in a fucking ditch. YOU AREN'T TOUCHING MY GOD DAMN CHOPPER GOT IT?!BrOk_MoRdU wrote:
EA/Dice also needs to fix solo choppering by making the tv missile unusable unless their is someone in the pilot seat.DrunkFace wrote:
maybe it should be coded that everyone in the chopper loses health if any part if the chopper is out out bounds... or maybe just the pilot should lose health as they are in control of the vehicle and its not the gunners/passengers fault. To stop solo pilots switching to gunner to stop taking dmg they should take dmg if only one persons on the chopper... In fact maybe you should only be able to switch positions if the thing is on the ground.
We need to have a one-on-one chopper soloing tournament. See how much better they can really be than a competent duo.
It's also an exploit in a way 'cause most times you can't hear the armor buzzers going off from solo helo missiles.Meaning your gaining an unfair advantage over other players that spent just as much money too play this game as you did.Cbass wrote:
Yea y brok? Can't u solo tv so u don't want anyone else doing it either? Thats the ghayest thing ive ever heard. u=failVeNg3nCe^ wrote:
Why?BrOk_MoRdU wrote:
EA/Dice also needs to fix solo choppering by making the tv missile unusable unless their is someone in the pilot seat.
anyway on topic, last time i was takin ob and killed i switched teams and then ass raped the guy that did it for the rest of the round. It was satisfying lol
I hope your computer fries out and burns your eye balls so you can never play this game again!
I'd say a good kidnapping is in order here.BrOk_MoRdU wrote:
It's also an exploit in a way 'cause most times you can't hear the armor buzzers going off from solo helo missiles.Meaning your gaining an unfair advantage over other players that spent just as much money too play this game as you did.Cbass wrote:
Yea y brok? Can't u solo tv so u don't want anyone else doing it either? Thats the ghayest thing ive ever heard. u=failVeNg3nCe^ wrote:
Why?
anyway on topic, last time i was takin ob and killed i switched teams and then ass raped the guy that did it for the rest of the round. It was satisfying lol
I hope your computer fries out and burns your eye balls so you can never play this game again!
And lets not forget to mention that there is no way you can fly a chopper without a pilot.BrOk_MoRdU wrote:
It's also an exploit in a way 'cause most times you can't hear the armor buzzers going off from solo helo missiles.Meaning your gaining an unfair advantage over other players that spent just as much money too play this game as you did.
I hope your computer fries out and burns your eye balls so you can never play this game again!
You'll have to survive your encounter w/ me first.PspRpg-7 wrote:
I'd say a good kidnapping is in order here.BrOk_MoRdU wrote:
It's also an exploit in a way 'cause most times you can't hear the armor buzzers going off from solo helo missiles.Meaning your gaining an unfair advantage over other players that spent just as much money too play this game as you did.Cbass wrote:
Yea y brok? Can't u solo tv so u don't want anyone else doing it either? Thats the ghayest thing ive ever heard. u=fail
anyway on topic, last time i was takin ob and killed i switched teams and then ass raped the guy that did it for the rest of the round. It was satisfying lol
I hope your computer fries out and burns your eye balls so you can never play this game again!
You created a new account and your still whoring karkand?AH HA....AH HAHA.......AHHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Last edited by BrOk_MoRdU (2006-07-25 15:51:47)
someone sum all this fighting up for me cuz i cant possibly read it all.. but my .02...
1. solo flying is not cheating..
2. a good solo flyer will Easily do Much better than 2 beginners in a chopper.
3. only a very skilled duo can be a better option than a good solo flyer. (and there is no advantage in heli duels until the soloer misses)... Unless you want to use mini gun often ... or multi task(altho a soloer could teach themself to use the minigun as well)... by mutli task i mean shoot a tv.. and while gunner is doing that.. the chopper can reposition somewhere else.. or take out another target w/ rockets.
4.try to lean how to fly/gun with a partner... untill your proficient at both... plz dont try to hog the chopper.. its only fair.
5. solo choppering is hella fun... but so is duoing w/ a competent player. Try to buddy up w/ a friend and both get good. Switch back and forth being pilot and gunner... although i must warn you it is hard to both get in chopper. Just be nice about it.. but if your teamates wont let yall fly together try to steal enemies.. if you cant.. ask for it next time they die.. if still no ... then trade of tk'ing. best way is to try and get them to tk u by only hurting them.. eventually getting them kicked. if they dont.. use a vehicle, and the second before you get to them jump out and the inertia from the vehicle will kill them, and you wont have tk'd.
6. now about a random guy getting in the chopper... my advice is give the guy one chance... if he absolutely sucks first time.. tell him you want to solo. here it gets murky... i have resorted to tking of they are jerks .. but if they are nice i will go steal the enemies chopper.
now what happens if your the one that tkd? you can always kill them... this is a tough battle.. your best bet is to provoke them to kill you... only damaage them ... be medic and shoot till they are at low health... then heal them to full... if your lucky they will kill you 3 times and be kicked from server.
now if they are smart enough not ot fall for it... just get in chopper seat first and time them out... if you cant do that... this is a classic... damage a jet some, shoot it.. whatever... then get in it and run right into the side of em =x. usually it will be a suicide/ TK for him ... at least i think thats how it worked.. been a while since ive played.. or had to do that.
heh... use your power for good please =]
yay for no -1 eh?
1. solo flying is not cheating..
2. a good solo flyer will Easily do Much better than 2 beginners in a chopper.
3. only a very skilled duo can be a better option than a good solo flyer. (and there is no advantage in heli duels until the soloer misses)... Unless you want to use mini gun often ... or multi task(altho a soloer could teach themself to use the minigun as well)... by mutli task i mean shoot a tv.. and while gunner is doing that.. the chopper can reposition somewhere else.. or take out another target w/ rockets.
4.try to lean how to fly/gun with a partner... untill your proficient at both... plz dont try to hog the chopper.. its only fair.
5. solo choppering is hella fun... but so is duoing w/ a competent player. Try to buddy up w/ a friend and both get good. Switch back and forth being pilot and gunner... although i must warn you it is hard to both get in chopper. Just be nice about it.. but if your teamates wont let yall fly together try to steal enemies.. if you cant.. ask for it next time they die.. if still no ... then trade of tk'ing. best way is to try and get them to tk u by only hurting them.. eventually getting them kicked. if they dont.. use a vehicle, and the second before you get to them jump out and the inertia from the vehicle will kill them, and you wont have tk'd.
6. now about a random guy getting in the chopper... my advice is give the guy one chance... if he absolutely sucks first time.. tell him you want to solo. here it gets murky... i have resorted to tking of they are jerks .. but if they are nice i will go steal the enemies chopper.
now what happens if your the one that tkd? you can always kill them... this is a tough battle.. your best bet is to provoke them to kill you... only damaage them ... be medic and shoot till they are at low health... then heal them to full... if your lucky they will kill you 3 times and be kicked from server.
now if they are smart enough not ot fall for it... just get in chopper seat first and time them out... if you cant do that... this is a classic... damage a jet some, shoot it.. whatever... then get in it and run right into the side of em =x. usually it will be a suicide/ TK for him ... at least i think thats how it worked.. been a while since ive played.. or had to do that.
heh... use your power for good please =]
yay for no -1 eh?
I was speaking of being on a 16 player server on a 64 player map.majorassult wrote:
Rule #1 to chopper whoring: Never get out to capture flags or bailDSRTurtle wrote:
You solo chopper whores are selfish. I'm with the guy who said explain it to the admins. I know servers that will give you a permanant ban for suiciding a gunner. If your on large map with a low number of people soloing is different and can give your side an advantage as there are plenty of vehicles for everyone.
With a small number of people the attack can capture flags. With 2 people in it if the gunner hops out you can capture it much more quickly. The pilot should be kind enough to let his gunner hop back in.
OK.PspRpg-7 wrote:
@lynxlyran: Okay. You're dalian, theres a solo chopper pilot in the distance, you see him spinning. You're alone in the pilots seat. And you say you can fire four missiles and take him down? No. while you're lining up, or even while the missiles are in transit, hes going to hit you if he has skill. Soloists using TV / mg > soloists using just the pilot missiles.
First I spot him for my team and head his way (assuming he is a threat to something and there is not a potential gunner nearby that I can pick up). If he's in the distance someone else can take him but I have him spotted so he isin't going anywhere far. I would fly over and engage him with an altitude advantage. It's pretty easy to dodge a TVM in a chopper ecpecially from a distance and you see it coming.
Thats just one scenario too. I think on the whole, a duo running a chopper is better than a solo pilot. FTW
im sorry but there is no way you will take any good soloer with rockets. I dont think i have Ever been taken down like that in a somewhat fair fight. Even when they catch me offguard, i can solo tv them from directly in front of me (like 1 meter away or less)... plus a good one is almost always aware of enemy choppers unless you want to spend half an hour gaining altitude.
in competition play... if you manage to get that close.. your gunner is missing entirely too much and you need to get a new one.
in competition play... if you manage to get that close.. your gunner is missing entirely too much and you need to get a new one.
Last edited by slicknic (2006-07-25 18:20:38)
Enemy flamewar spotted.
I agree with the thread-maker. Also, isn't solo-piloting 'outlawed' by the RoE? It means that planes can't lock onto the helicopter while you are in the gunner's seat, and so isn't this an exploit? Just a question.
noTheDarkRaven wrote:
I agree with the thread-maker. Also, isn't solo-piloting 'outlawed' by the RoE? It means that planes can't lock onto the helicopter while you are in the gunner's seat, and so isn't this an exploit? Just a question.
Switching seats can be considered an exploit. It gives an unfair advantage to the helo.TheDarkRaven wrote:
I agree with the thread-maker. Also, isn't solo-piloting 'outlawed' by the RoE? It means that planes can't lock onto the helicopter while you are in the gunner's seat, and so isn't this an exploit? Just a question.
A clan/community server could make and enforce a rule of no soloing attack choppers. I'm not aware of any servers that have such a rule, but i'm sure they are out there.
Last edited by DSRTurtle (2006-07-26 04:30:16)
I hate that:' I am good pilot, so it is my helo and I need no gunner'. Thats not true, each player is allowed to fly it and this is also true for the gunner position. I haven't seen any server which says: Helos for Pros only.
So if you want to fly solo, rent a server and lock out all noobs !
I don't fly helos because I wanna fight the enemy not my team. Also I think a good helo team spoils the game, especially in Sharqi.
So if you want to fly solo, rent a server and lock out all noobs !
I don't fly helos because I wanna fight the enemy not my team. Also I think a good helo team spoils the game, especially in Sharqi.
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