BF2S Forums Out of bounds chopper kill fix.

fierce wrote:

At least give them a goddamn CHANCE. "oh, well, he's a n00b gunner." How do you know? Have you flown with him before?

You can immediately decide it in the first seconds of the game. If you start from the TV station heading to the MEC Beachhouse, you're flying high, the nose pointed left of the 3D map icon for the Beachhouse flag and he doesn't shot the TV rocket into the fog and when you ask him, why he didn't shot and he answers: "Couldn't see anything because the fog." ... yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... get out of the chopper pls.

Actually, that was directed at the people who don't even let them get off a TV shot, just do a 180 on the helipad and fly out of bounds first thing possible.

Solo in a helo's fine I think, but they need to sought the out of bounds gunner trick, its the one I've been done with afew times.
I hate mardy pilots who refuse to fly with you, yeah if you've been up once and your cr*p I could understand it, but if your ok at it, why should they push you out???.
I had some ass monkey the day who refused to take of, we got nailed by USMC's helo, they then jumped infront of me and another chap who was waiting for helo.
So I C4'd the landing pad and blew them up next time they went for the chopper, yeah it was a poxy thing to do but it made me feel better.

shice wrote:

DSRTurtle wrote:

You solo chopper whores are selfish.

Ohhhhh dont cry little baby ohhhh dont cry here's your lollypop ohhhhhh

Shut it shice, there will be none of that in my threads. Please keep it relevant.

.ACB|_Cutthroat1 wrote:

xWSxCriminalx wrote:

Why take a bad gunner when i can do so much better on my own...???

Why take a bad gunner and have the team suffer more...than if i was solo....hmmmm

the man speaks the truth, i have done this before, to nubs who i dispise and know that bag us, we are like the australian TOP, we get shit from anyone and everyone

This argument holds no water. The gunner has access to the machine gun too. Solo pilots CANNOT use the machine gun. This is a gun that makes the 1.2 BH gun look like a pea shooter. Even a noob gunner will kill dozens of enemy infantry which helps the TEAM win.

You are hurting the team by solo choppering. You also must suck as a pilot because your rockets can do all that the TV missle does but it takes skill which these solo wankers don't have so they use the TV as a crutch to make themselves believe they are 1337.

Solo pilots suck. If they had real skill they wouldn't bother with the tools in the gunners seat. If your a solo pilot and you think you need the TV to kill other choppers, you are a noob and need to get some practice with the rockets.

Like I said, we need to make a list of people who have been confirmed to do the out of bounds teamkill and then organise a C4 fest on their helicopter. Ruin their game for them, since they have no problem in doing that for others.

People who fly solo just to TV are not out for the team, their out for them selves. WHile your switch to TV something, you have no control over the heli to avoid anything incoming. A good pilot should be just that, a good pilot. If you think your awsome at TV, great....get your self a good pilot and keep your a$$ in the gunners seat and get yourself a good pilot and utilize the VoIP.

An just remember you soloists out there, you were all n00bs with the game before too. Instead of calling names, offer to teach the n00bs so they can get better so you can make the game better. I had a solo pilot do just that, taught me how to TV and lined up great shots for the guns when our team was winning. Told me over the VoIP what he was doing and if he had seen something I didn't. He set up the Heli using the gunner box in his HUD so I had nice and clean TV shots. I've flown gunner a lot, but most pilots I don't think ever use that gunner box in the HUD to help gunner out.

GotMex cool idea on the C4 for the chopper soloists who OB their gunners.

Last edited by Reaper2325 (2006-07-25 10:57:52)

Oh yeah and whoever said that soloists aren't helping the team because it's better to cap a flag with 2 people in the chopper...you're the type that deserves to be out of bounds TK'd. You NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER under any circumstance cap a flag with an attack chopper. It's an ATTACK chopper. If you want to cap, take a TRANSPORT chopper. When you cap a flag like that you're dead. You're an easy target for AT kits, TOW's, Tanks, APCs, and a hovering coffin if another chopper swings by.

Your job is to assault anything and everything, not cap flags. People who cap with the attack chopper deserve bans, from BF2 and life. That's as brand-new-noob as it can get.

Nothing I hate more than shooting down an attack chopper and getting only one kill... You guys should never fly alone.

I have had the "out of bounds" experience before and it sucks!  Some idiot asked me to bail after he flew away from the carrier in Dalian Plant.  If he was still at the carrier or above land, I may have considered vacating the seat, but I didn't!  I spent the entire round making his life miserable.

If a chopper whore wants to fly solo, go play a flight sim such as Apache Longbow or one of the Commanche versions (they are really great to play by the way).  Don't fly solo when there are a bunch of other teammates who would like to help out in the gunners position.  I'm pretty sure that none of you "professional game players" were born with a mouse, keyboard or joystick in you hands so, give someone else a chance and if they don't meet you expectations of a gunner, at least you gave them the chance that everyone deserves!

Oh, and the crap that some spout about playing the single player for practice, no no!  Not the same experience so don't go there!!

I think I speak for everyone when I say I don't want a crappy pilot or gunner.  Fine.  What is wrong with solo choppering is that you don't go looking for a gunner/pilot.  You automatically think you are better than everyone else there because you can seatswitch effeciently.  I know I am guilty of it all the time, and it pisses me off when some heli comes in to repair while I am waiting for it, and refuses to pick me up.  That is the problem.  It is not hard to do, it does not take some absurd amount of skill, but it does free up one more ground unit.  Solo TV'ing is fine when a round first starts, or if there is no one waiting, but c'mon, don't hover above the heli pad repairing when there are guys waiting below.  Of course that changes if you have flown those people before and they suck.

Not wrote:

lynxlyran wrote:

.ACB|_Cutthroat1 wrote:

the man speaks the truth, i have done this before, to nubs who i dispise and know that bag us, we are like the australian TOP, we get shit from anyone and everyone

This argument holds no water. The gunner has access to the machine gun too. Solo pilots CANNOT use the machine gun. This is a gun that makes the 1.2 BH gun look like a pea shooter. Even a noob gunner will kill dozens of enemy infantry which helps the TEAM win.

You are hurting the team by solo choppering. You also must suck as a pilot because your rockets can do all that the TV missle does but it takes skill which these solo wankers don't have so they use the TV as a crutch to make themselves believe they are 1337.

Solo pilots suck. If they had real skill they wouldn't bother with the tools in the gunners seat. If your a solo pilot and you think you need the TV to kill other choppers, you are a noob and need to get some practice with the rockets.

That's just completely untrue. You haven't seen a really talented solo pilot/gunner if you believe this. We're just as capable of using the MG cannons as the TV missile or pilot missiles. Just because you can't doesn't mean everyone can't.

We must suck as pilots? Because we "Can't" use the pilot missiles? Son, I wrote a guide on these forums to using those missiles. They can do everything the TV missile can? Right...The trouble is, you have to land anywhere between 4-8 of them to blow up an important target. All it takes is 1 TV missile. That's why we use it. DERRRRRRRR. So explain to me which mod you're playing where the pilot missiles are guideable and kill things in 1 strike, or admit you're a smacktard that has to make up wild exaggerations to support your arguments. I can use those missiles just fine, its just slower and less effective. Why bother?

Even a noob gunner will kill dozens of enemy infantry? Not really, I've been up with plenty of noobs that couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat. Doesn't matter if I hover exactly 40m away and the target is AFK, they still can't hit them. I have a better chance of killing them by landing the bird on them than having my gunner actually kill them.

Also, tell me oh 1337zor ch0ppz0rz pil0t...how much of a "teamplayer" are you when you just chase crap down with the missiles? You DO realize that if you have a gunner with you and you're chasing down targets with the missiles, you're not setting up a single shot for him anywhere, right?. It really just sounds to me like you can't solo gun the TV missile to save your life so you just return to the pilot missiles as your only possible offense, and you're likely very mediocre with them anyway.






Now that I'm done tearing apart lynxlyran, I'll reiterate my previous point. I'll always fly solo if the gunner can't do his job, and very often he can't do his job. To be honest I like to gun more than anything, but the issue is more often a terrible pilot that holds me back, not a terrible gunner. I'd never solo if there was a reliable pilot in the server.

And as far as killing someone out of bounds, yeah that's kinda harsh, but I do it to literally every single person who runs to the chopper and presses F2 into the gunner seat instead of taking the chopper up. They deserve horrible deaths.

NOT - "That's just completely untrue. You haven't seen a really talented solo pilot/gunner if you believe this. We're just as capable of using the MG cannons as the TV missile or pilot missiles. Just because you can't doesn't mean everyone can't."

Lynx - I am sure someone out there is talented, I don't think you are. I'll give you 100 bucks by paypal for a 5 minute video of you circle hovering while gunning "dozens" of enemy troops. Oh, whats that? you CAN'T ???? Yeah, you need a PILOT to control the chopper in order to do that longer than 4 seconds. "DERRRRRRRR"

NOT - We must suck as pilots? Because we "Can't" use the pilot missiles? Son, I wrote a guide on these forums to using those missiles. They can do everything the TV missile can? Right...The trouble is, you have to land anywhere between 4-8 of them to blow up an important target. All it takes is 1 TV missile. That's why we use it. DERRRRRRRR. So explain to me which mod you're playing where the pilot missiles are guideable and kill things in 1 strike, or admit you're a smacktard that has to make up wild exaggerations to support your arguments. I can use those missiles just fine, its just slower and less effective. Why bother?

Lynx - Oooohh, he wrote a guide, stamp him as 1337. Landing 4 or more is no problem if you practice it! I play the "practice" mod all the time and I didn't even have to download it. I think the smacktard here is the guy who writes a guide and can't even use the rockets effectively. If you practice, the missles become more effective. Why Bother? BECAUSE if you were good with them, maybe you might allow a teammate into your damn chopper once and a while and start playing as a team with the team and for the team.

NOT - Even a noob gunner will kill dozens of enemy infantry? Not really, I've been up with plenty of noobs that couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat. Doesn't matter if I hover exactly 40m away and the target is AFK, they still can't hit them. I have a better chance of killing them by landing the bird on them than having my gunner actually kill them.

Lynx - When this happens, and it does, I just fire one rocket. It kills the infantry and the gunner sees what he missed. Lesson learned and we move on to the next target. You see I do practice with the rockets, I can kill armor in one pass with them, it has become easy to wipe out an enemy chopper with them and I haven't even gotten my veteran badge yet.

NOT - Also, tell me oh 1337zor ch0ppz0rz pil0t...how much of a "teamplayer" are you when you just chase crap down with the missiles? You DO realize that if you have a gunner with you and you're chasing down targets with the missiles, you're not setting up a single shot for him anywhere, right?. It really just sounds to me like you can't solo gun the TV missile to save your life so you just return to the pilot missiles as your only possible offense, and you're likely very mediocre with them anyway.

Lynx - Just so you understand, when I have a gunner, I generally don't need to chase down targets. I setup my gunner instead. If he misses, I'll make the rocket bombing run and nail the target while my gunner reloads or guns. When faced with an enemy chopper, my gunner will take the shot with the TV or chain gun. Either way it doesn't matter because I will be taking down that chopper with the rockets. When facing infantry, I use the rockets as pointers to show the gunner (even a noob one) where the targets are.

For the rest of you, when a chopper comes down and lands and you hear "get in". You can be sure its me offering you the gunners seat. Also, don't worry if you suck, I got your back!

When it goes OOB and the pilot is spamming "bail out" that would be NOT.

Who would YOU rather have on your TEAM????

Last edited by lynxlyran (2006-07-25 13:18:08)

GotMex? wrote:

Not wrote:

Oh yeah and whoever said that soloists aren't helping the team because it's better to cap a flag with 2 people in the chopper...you're the type that deserves to be out of bounds TK'd. You NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER under any circumstance cap a flag with an attack chopper. It's an ATTACK chopper. If you want to cap, take a TRANSPORT chopper. When you cap a flag like that you're dead. You're an easy target for AT kits, TOW's, Tanks, APCs, and a hovering coffin if another chopper swings by.

Your job is to assault anything and everything, not cap flags. People who cap with the attack chopper deserve bans, from BF2 and life. That's as brand-new-noob as it can get.

Your comments are interesting considering your stats don't show proficiency in helicopter use. The "NEVER EVER EVER EVER cap a flag" generalization really shows the limits of your capability with the chopper. Sometimes it is important to help out capture a flag, or take a flag that is being ignored by the enemy. Sure, you never try and capture the airfield because that's just retarded, but if you can cap say South Village, then why not? Then your team can spawn there and you can defend your team from there.

I guess what you're referring to is cappinig a flag while STATIONARY over a flag. That is just plain stupid, flag capping or not. You should never hover in one spot without being aware of your surroundings. I hate being gunner and having my pilot hover above a flag while I know that in any instant a tank or the other chopper will take us out. That is why I have perfected the dynamic flag capping, or circle strafing around a flag in a tight radius. Try to hit the chopper doing that, i'll give you a cookie. Capping a flag or not, moving around like this eliminates the possibility of a troop getting a shot on you.

If there is one thing that I would say limits the capabilities of a solo pilot it's simply not being able to maneuver like that and take out troops. Circle strafing is the single most useful technique that you can use while piloting and none of you soloists ever use it(because you can't gun at the same time of course).I've played sharqi numerous times when the USMC have only one flag left, and I'm flying the MEC chopper around in circles, with my gunner raping the living daylights out of the ground troops. These are 120+ pts rounds, and I savor those moments. You can't possibly tell me that you can pull scores like that and help out your team by hovering around solo. All you guys do is shoot TV's at the enemy chopper so that they can't take off and you can delight yourself in knowing how pissed off they must be. And maybe take out a tank here and an apc there.

Like I said in my replies to my own post, which no one seems to read, If solo pilots are so good with TV's, why don't they just go gunner and deal with whatever skill their pilot has. I'm sure I'm a much better pilot than a lot of you soloists, you can ask anyone that's gunned with me, and yet you think that somehow you'll be able to do better without me in there. Obviously, this isn't about your skill level and how you could help the team more by going alone, but rather your selfish desire to fly around shooting at whatever you want, not sharing the limited resources in a map, and delighting yourself in raping the hell out of the enemy chopper whenever it spawns.

But once again, if you want to solo, I don't give a fuck, just don't be gay about it and TK me with an out of bounds move... be a man, and snipe me out of that gunner seat, or make the chopper crash after you've bailed. If you are actually defending this move, then I am sorry for the lack of decency you have.

My limited capability in a chopper? Based on my stats? Which stats exactly? My K/D in it? Right because 9/10 times I play its with a clan mate that's a great gunner. I don't have many kill opportunities as a pilot. My time in the chopper? 35 hours is more than plenty to be damn good in it.

And please, demonstrate how to cap the city entrance flag while circle strafing, not ramming the building, or getting shot down by the TOW, Tank, or an AT kit there. I'll happily take you up on the challenge of shooting you down while circle strafing. It's not hard.

And yes, the few times I get to solo, I've averaged 60 kill rounds as USMC so...


FINALLY: Please read the rest of my posts! I said I'd really welcome a good pilot, but nobody knows how to. I'm always stuck piloting because if I don't we get shot down immediately. Solo piloting IS NOT my first preference, but too often it's the best option. Find me in a game sometime and fly me around, I'd absolutely love it.

Last edited by Not (2006-07-25 13:14:29)