That you lack power and affluence in the world maybe?CameronPoe wrote:
Jealous of what? According to 'The Economist' magazine Ireland has the highest quality of life in the world (and I agree) and the second highest GDP per capita in Europe. Why would I be jealous of anywhere else?-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Typical jealous European.CameronPoe wrote:
Hmm population of Ireland - 4m. Population of USA - 300m. Population China - 1bn.
Give me a little OP on the British Occupation of Northern Ireland??
I prefer steady to a widening gap between rich and poor which will ultimately lead to disquiet. It's the reason why Europe has a higher standard of living on average than in USA - not as many economic 'losers'. Sure there aren't as many economic 'winners' but the balance is better.fadedsteve wrote:
USA is a self made country and always will be!!
WE STILL SUPPORT THE ENTREPRENUR and the mentality behind that economic mindset!! Our economy flourishes while the europeans remain steady but ultimately stagnant.
lol cmon give me a little tast of how you view the british occupation of northern ireland!!!!!!
How's that definition coming along? Btw, it's "you're", and "embarrassing".-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Your just embarrasing yourself.spastic bullet wrote:
[...] I seem to recall asking somebody to rationally define the emotive language they insist on using, specifically "terrorist" and "terrorism". Was that you? I think it was. If I recall, you chose to ignore that request, probably because you know what will happen if you do try to actually define those terms -- the definitions will apply just as easily to our friends and allies' actions as they do to those of our enemies.
I'll tell you what, here's a challenge: I challenge you to define "terrorism" in such a way that it...
1. Is not merely synonymous with
a. "Guerrilla"
b. "Enemy"
c. "Arab"
d. "Muslim"
e. "Islamist"
f. "Hezbollah" or "Hamas", etc.
AND
2. Does not apply to either the US, UK or Israel or actions by approved allies of the same, except by explicit exclusion (i.e. "just because they're allies")
In other words, try to come up with a neutral definition that doesn't implicate us or our allies in some way. If you can, I will answer your question. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of stat-stretching emotional manipulation you're trying to feed us.
That sounds like communism to me. I could care less if someone who dosent attempt to make a better life for himself isnt making as much as someone who puts in the effort. Its called capitalism and it rewards those who put forth the effort, not the lazy who expect handouts.CameronPoe wrote:
I prefer steady to a widening gap between rich and poor which will ultimately lead to disquiet. It's the reason why Europe has a higher standard of living on average than in USA - not as many economic 'losers'. Sure there aren't as many economic 'winners' but the balance is better.fadedsteve wrote:
USA is a self made country and always will be!!
WE STILL SUPPORT THE ENTREPRENUR and the mentality behind that economic mindset!! Our economy flourishes while the europeans remain steady but ultimately stagnant.
lol cmon give me a little tast of how you view the british occupation of northern ireland!!!!!!
I don't care for power and influence in the world. Power and influence only brings trouble. Ask any oil producing nation, any relative of a 9/11 victim or any American in Iraq or Afghanistan right now. There aren't millions of people rooting for the destruction of Ireland and why's that? Because we don't matter. We can live happily in our safe little island cocoon.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
That you lack power and affluence in the world maybe?CameronPoe wrote:
Jealous of what? According to 'The Economist' magazine Ireland has the highest quality of life in the world (and I agree) and the second highest GDP per capita in Europe. Why would I be jealous of anywhere else?-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Typical jealous European.
Well that's your choice. I prefer Europe. It's a nicer place to be - less cut-throat. More emphasis on living not making a buck. It's hardly communism btw.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
That sounds like communism to me. I could care less if someone who dosent attempt to make a better life for himself isnt making as much as someone who puts in the effort. Its called capitalism and it rewards those who put forth the effort, not the lazy who expect handouts.CameronPoe wrote:
I prefer steady to a widening gap between rich and poor which will ultimately lead to disquiet. It's the reason why Europe has a higher standard of living on average than in USA - not as many economic 'losers'. Sure there aren't as many economic 'winners' but the balance is better.fadedsteve wrote:
USA is a self made country and always will be!!
WE STILL SUPPORT THE ENTREPRENUR and the mentality behind that economic mindset!! Our economy flourishes while the europeans remain steady but ultimately stagnant.
lol cmon give me a little tast of how you view the british occupation of northern ireland!!!!!!
Widening gap? Well if you apply yourself, get an education, and obide by the law, there is no reason why anyone can't be successful in the USA. We just dont give out as many HANDOUTS to our citizens as europeans do, we believe hard work merits success here. Not to say there are poor people who dont work hard, but they at least have an ability to work out of that poverty. I doubt the rags to riches stories in europe even shake an eye lash to how many we have here in the states my friend.
Europe is also divided into smaller countries, with smaller populations that can afford to do all those socialist programms.
If we adopted the european model of economics in the US, we would go bankrupt IMMEDIATELY!
Europe is also divided into smaller countries, with smaller populations that can afford to do all those socialist programms.
If we adopted the european model of economics in the US, we would go bankrupt IMMEDIATELY!
And Europe is a nice place to visit, dont get me wrong. . .
but if I wanted to start a business and be successful, I would have the best opportunity to do that here, in the USA!
but if I wanted to start a business and be successful, I would have the best opportunity to do that here, in the USA!
Its a good thing for Cameron because he was losingspastic bullet wrote:
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Hey Spastic, why dont you give Howard Dean a call, and see if he wants to go have breakfast with you. . . .
I'm sure you and him could knock out that terrorist defintion your searching for. . .
I'm sure you and him could knock out that terrorist defintion your searching for. . .
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Yea wait till that cocoon gets hit with an attack. . .CameronPoe wrote:
I don't care for power and influence in the world. Power and influence only brings trouble. Ask any oil producing nation, any relative of a 9/11 victim or any American in Iraq or Afghanistan right now. There aren't millions of people rooting for the destruction of Ireland and why's that? Because we don't matter. We can live happily in our safe little island cocoon.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
That you lack power and affluence in the world maybe?CameronPoe wrote:
Jealous of what? According to 'The Economist' magazine Ireland has the highest quality of life in the world (and I agree) and the second highest GDP per capita in Europe. Why would I be jealous of anywhere else?
We'll see if you change your tune!
This is so typical of a liberal I could laugh!! But in actuality its more scary than funny!
Thats how a lot of New Yorkers thought before 9/11, safe to say they dont think that way anymore. . .
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If I was embarking on a business venture USA is certainly where I'd look to invest. USA wins on economic opportunities offered.fadedsteve wrote:
And Europe is a nice place to visit, dont get me wrong. . .
but if I wanted to start a business and be successful, I would have the best opportunity to do that here, in the USA!
The difference is that New York is actually an important place and an obvious target for such an attack.fadedsteve wrote:
Yea wait till that cocoon gets hit with an attack. . .CameronPoe wrote:
I don't care for power and influence in the world. Power and influence only brings trouble. Ask any oil producing nation, any relative of a 9/11 victim or any American in Iraq or Afghanistan right now. There aren't millions of people rooting for the destruction of Ireland and why's that? Because we don't matter. We can live happily in our safe little island cocoon.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
That you lack power and affluence in the world maybe?
We'll see if you change your tune!
This is so typical of a liberal I could laugh!! But in actuality its more scary than funny!
Thats how a lot of New Yorkers thought before 9/11, safe to say they dont think that way anymore. . .
Ok then. . .and if I was Irish(which I am) and wanted to retire, I would go to a rainy little gem in Europe, called Ireland.
You can keep your cocoon. Unlike you we arent afraid to stand up for whats right in the world. If there is ever an earthquake or natural disaster we are the first ones there. If any country, Kuwait for example, is invaded and seeks our help we usually help them to the best of our ability. People hate us because they see that we are powerful. No matter how much good we do in the world there will still be those that hate us. If we want to give democracy a chance in the middle east or support our allies when they are attacked by Hezbollah, then let them hate us. I would hate to ever see the day when we become a "cocoon" full of people scared of their own shadow.CameronPoe wrote:
I don't care for power and influence in the world. Power and influence only brings trouble. Ask any oil producing nation, any relative of a 9/11 victim or any American in Iraq or Afghanistan right now. There aren't millions of people rooting for the destruction of Ireland and why's that? Because we don't matter. We can live happily in our safe little island cocoon.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
That you lack power and affluence in the world maybe?CameronPoe wrote:
Jealous of what? According to 'The Economist' magazine Ireland has the highest quality of life in the world (and I agree) and the second highest GDP per capita in Europe. Why would I be jealous of anywhere else?
So you are saying that Ireland isnt important. . . .
When your the big guy, everyone wants to knock you off your number one post!! The terrorists are no different, they know that the destruction of the USA is their meal ticket to power and influence. Thats why they need to be killed. No negotiation will prevent them from attacking, only their immediate destruction will ensure our peace, and the peace of our allies.
AMEN BANANA!! WELL SAID!
When your the big guy, everyone wants to knock you off your number one post!! The terrorists are no different, they know that the destruction of the USA is their meal ticket to power and influence. Thats why they need to be killed. No negotiation will prevent them from attacking, only their immediate destruction will ensure our peace, and the peace of our allies.
AMEN BANANA!! WELL SAID!
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Losing? You haven't exactly offered any uncounterable arguments to the orginal posting. My opinion is steadfast and my points remain valid. If you make a rational point then I'll concede the point and agree. You just haven't made any strong enough points for me so far.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Its a good thing for Cameron because he was losingspastic bullet wrote:
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We have been giving you points, the POINT IS, is that you will disagree even if YOU ARE WRONG!
ENJOY YOUR COCOON!!! Can't wait till your little bubble bursts and you see the enemy for who they really are!!
But I will tell you this though. . .I won't EVER put up with a leftist, liberal, defeatist asshole running the show in our country!!! Thats why I vote republican, and thats why I will CONTINUE to vote republican!
ENJOY YOUR COCOON!!! Can't wait till your little bubble bursts and you see the enemy for who they really are!!
But I will tell you this though. . .I won't EVER put up with a leftist, liberal, defeatist asshole running the show in our country!!! Thats why I vote republican, and thats why I will CONTINUE to vote republican!
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You havent answered anything. You said that Israel should have invaded on land because "Hezbollah isnt a threat on the ground".CameronPoe wrote:
Losing? You haven't exactly offered any uncounterable arguments to the orginal posting. My opinion is steadfast and my points remain valid. If you make a rational point then I'll concede the point and agree. You just haven't made any strong enough points for me so far.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Its a good thing for Cameron because he was losingspastic bullet wrote:
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I then said " I guess you havent heard of a little thing called IEDs". You have yet to respond to that.
Your bf2 nickname is easter1916, would that have any reference to a certain IRA date at all?? Hmm. . .the IRA's easter uprising if I am not mistaken! Starting to fall into place now. . . .
I guess its hard to classify a terrorist organization, when YOU have one's memorial date as your bf2 nickname!
Not to say I dont sympathize with the fact that Ireland was brutally raped and pillaged by the English, I just see why you sympathize more for the palestinians than the Israeli's now. . .
I guess its hard to classify a terrorist organization, when YOU have one's memorial date as your bf2 nickname!
Not to say I dont sympathize with the fact that Ireland was brutally raped and pillaged by the English, I just see why you sympathize more for the palestinians than the Israeli's now. . .
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Just something i found on the Internet and what i think covers my opinion very well.
Cause what is happening now is having an adverse affect Israel is not destroying Hezbollah its making it stronger. With this raid it would prob capture and kill some Hezbollah but after that how manny wronged Lebanon would think about joining it?? its much like eta in Ireland it will not be solved by brute force that only makes it wors.
http://www.israelblog.org/1153631143/index_html
Cause what is happening now is having an adverse affect Israel is not destroying Hezbollah its making it stronger. With this raid it would prob capture and kill some Hezbollah but after that how manny wronged Lebanon would think about joining it?? its much like eta in Ireland it will not be solved by brute force that only makes it wors.
http://www.israelblog.org/1153631143/index_html
"What should Israel do? Just sit on its hands while Hezbollah rains missiles on it?"
Answer: Exactly! The statement that Hezbollah has been constantly attacking Israel over the past six years is just a big lie. Since Israel withdrew from Lebanon, the border has been quite calm, except for very minor incidents and skirmishes.
It was precisely the calm border that was putting Sheikh Nasrallah under increasing international pressure to disarm. His main excuse not to, was that Hezbollah needed arms to defend Lebanon against Israeli aggression. But what is he defending if no attacks on Lebanon are taking place?
Nasrallah also prides himself in scrupulously abiding by international law and only responding to "Zionist provocations." In fact, Hezbollah did start this incident by firing some Katyushas and capturing the Israeli soldiers. But the massive Israeli attack gave him the legitimacy to respond to Israeli violence with counter-violence. When he bombs Haifa and Israeli gun-boats, when his soldiers fight against Israeli ground troops, he can now honestly claim he is defending Lebanon against Israeli attacks.
The best Israeli response would have been a diplomatic one - to use this incident to point out that Hezbollah is armed to the teeth and out of control. Israel's restraint would have put Hezbullah in a bad light, and legitimized the central government's demands against Hezbullah. The international community could strengthen the Lebanese government and help it disarm Hezbullah, without it being seen as a "collaborator" with Israel.
Force is always an option. In fact, the threat of force is usually far more effective than its actual use. But Israel never said, "put your arms down or else." Instead, Israel acted like a big, scared bully and started firing in all directions. The result is that Israel, not Hezbullah, is seen as out of control and the Lebanese central government has been weakened. Despite the anger of many Lebanese against Hezbullah, many more support its actions. It will be far more difficult to bring pressure to bear to disarm Hezbullah now, since it is once more basking in its role as the defender of "Arab honor" against "Zionist aggression." Any government trying to disarm Hezullah, will be seen as "collaborating with the Zionists."
Oh yeah - aerial bombardment gets rid of IEDs. I forgot about that one. I didn't say that the reason they should go in on the ground is because Hezbollah offer little in the way of resistance - the point I was making was that it's the most direct route to punishing those responsible. Let's not forget why these actions were taken by Israel in the beginning - to get their kidnapped troops back. Well have they been returned? Maybe they've been bombed by Israel? Maybe they're in Syria? Who knows. Perhaps Israel may never see them again.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
You havent answered anything. You said that Israel should have invaded on land because "Hezbollah isnt a threat on the ground".CameronPoe wrote:
Losing? You haven't exactly offered any uncounterable arguments to the orginal posting. My opinion is steadfast and my points remain valid. If you make a rational point then I'll concede the point and agree. You just haven't made any strong enough points for me so far.-=NHB=- Bananahands wrote:
Its a good thing for Cameron because he was losing
I then said " I guess you havent heard of a little thing called IEDs". You have yet to respond to that.
The Brits suffered many civilian atrocities during the 70s, 80s and 90s at the hands of various IRA factions. Did the Brits respond by bombing Dundalk, Drogheda or Dublin in the Republic? The answer is no. Is there relative peace in Northern Ireland now? The answer is yes.
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The Easter Uprising of 1916 could be likened in some ways to the jewish immigrant struggle to win independence in 1948. THe victors of any uprising, revolt or battle for independence go from being referred to as 'the terrorists' to being regarded as the just and moral victors. The same applies all over the world. One might argue that Israel was built on 'terrorism' in a similar manner to how Ireland was built on 'terrorism'. It's just semantics.fadedsteve wrote:
Your bf2 nickname is easter1916, would that have any reference to a certain IRA date at all?? Hmm. . .the IRA's easter uprising if I am not mistaken! Starting to fall into place now. . . .
I guess its hard to classify a terrorist organization, when YOU have one's memorial date as your bf2 nickname!
Not to say I dont sympathize with the fact that Ireland was brutally raped and pillaged by the English, I just see why you sympathize more for the palestinians than the Israeli's now. . .
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