I have to make the point again that these are not reprisal killings. The terrorist kill as often as they can anytime they can " As if those cock rats could actually kill two specific soldiers ? 99 times out of 100 their bombs kill Innocent Iraqis and some probably even have insurgent sympathies. These people are so impotent they cant even hide two dead bodies. They never " Captured " anyoneAlexanderthegrape wrote:
It was known and talked about, I believe the day it happened. The U.S. personal in charge of the outfit attempted to cover it up, and when the Iraqis got wind of it, there was these reprisal killings.Horseman 77 wrote:
you got it, try and address the other points if you can.Havazn wrote:
So the rape that happened on March 12 couldn't possibly have been found out by locals before the media let it know at the end of June?
The Iraqis aren't fighting us, en masse, because a large percentage believe we are doing the right thing and conducting ourself in a non-imperialist manner. This became personal, and the two guys were killed in a very personal manner.
Poll
If they were associated with the rapist, did they deserve it?
| yes | 44% | 44% - 38 | ||||
| No | 55% | 55% - 48 | ||||
| Total: 86 | ||||||
look, if you had made this point in general, I would agree with you. These men were from the same unit as the guys who did the raping and killing. It was put out the day after they were found that this was a reprisal killing.Horseman 77 wrote:
I have to make the point again that these are not reprisal killings. The terrorist kill as often as they can anytime they can " As if those cock rats could actually kill two specific soldiers ? 99 times out of 100 their bombs kill Innocent Iraqis and some probably even have insurgent sympathies. These people are so impotent they cant even hide two dead bodies. They never " Captured " anyoneAlexanderthegrape wrote:
It was known and talked about, I believe the day it happened. The U.S. personal in charge of the outfit attempted to cover it up, and when the Iraqis got wind of it, there was these reprisal killings.Horseman 77 wrote:
you got it, try and address the other points if you can.
The Iraqis aren't fighting us, en masse, because a large percentage believe we are doing the right thing and conducting ourself in a non-imperialist manner. This became personal, and the two guys were killed in a very personal manner.
I stand by what I said, and although I've always respected you in the past I am beginning to question my faith in you horsemen77.
I thought you were a thinker. What happened?
I'd beg do differ. I think you'll find that Canadians and British would too.-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:
we don't we just have more press for it so it seems like it, grow up and wake up.
First off " the raping and killing " is alleged. For all we know the terrorist did it themselves ( allah knows they need some good news ) You seem to think its fact, and you seem to revel in it, why ?Alexanderthegrape wrote:
look, if you had made this point in general, I would agree with you. These men were from the same unit as the guys who did the raping and killing. It was put out the day after they were found that this was a reprisal killing.Horseman 77 wrote:
I have to make the point again that these are not reprisal killings. The terrorist kill as often as they can anytime they can " As if those cock rats could actually kill two specific soldiers ? 99 times out of 100 their bombs kill Innocent Iraqis and some probably even have insurgent sympathies. These people are so impotent they cant even hide two dead bodies. They never " Captured " anyoneAlexanderthegrape wrote:
It was known and talked about, I believe the day it happened. The U.S. personal in charge of the outfit attempted to cover it up, and when the Iraqis got wind of it, there was these reprisal killings.
The Iraqis aren't fighting us, en masse, because a large percentage believe we are doing the right thing and conducting ourself in a non-imperialist manner. This became personal, and the two guys were killed in a very personal manner.
I stand by what I said, and although I've always respected you in the past I am beginning to question my faith in you horsemen77.
I thought you were a thinker. What happened?
They don't have the intel or capability to target or attack a specific unit.
Their attacks are totally random targets of opportunity.
In fact it was pure luck they were able to make off with two bodies.
To have two US service men listed as MIA with all of America thinking
" the insurgents hold their fate and safety in their hands "
would have been a very powerful tool as leverage for them.
They mutilated the bodies but they never would have killed a prisoner on purpose if they could have used them for powerful and effective propaganda instead. I realize their entire command structure is destroyed and the can not communicate with each other but these people aren't that dumb.
get it ?
Uh oh, trouble in conservative paradise.
Whats with all the hate against therapists? They're just trying to help people!
badumtish
badumtish
I dont revel in it, you should remember that I have a long history of threads of posts in support of our troops.Horseman 77 wrote:
First off " the raping and killing " is alleged. For all we know the terrorist did it themselves ( allah knows they need some good news ) You seem to think its fact, and you seem to revel in it, why ?Alexanderthegrape wrote:
look, if you had made this point in general, I would agree with you. These men were from the same unit as the guys who did the raping and killing. It was put out the day after they were found that this was a reprisal killing.Horseman 77 wrote:
I have to make the point again that these are not reprisal killings. The terrorist kill as often as they can anytime they can " As if those cock rats could actually kill two specific soldiers ? 99 times out of 100 their bombs kill Innocent Iraqis and some probably even have insurgent sympathies. These people are so impotent they cant even hide two dead bodies. They never " Captured " anyone
I stand by what I said, and although I've always respected you in the past I am beginning to question my faith in you horsemen77.
I thought you were a thinker. What happened?
They don't have the intel or capability to target or attack a specific unit.
Their attacks are totally random targets of opportunity.
In fact it was pure luck they were able to make off with two bodies.
To have two US service men listed as MIA with all of America thinking
" the insurgents hold their fate and safety in their hands "
would have been a very powerful tool as leverage for them.
They mutilated the bodies but they never would have killed a prisoner on purpose if they could have used them for powerful and effective propaganda instead. I realize their entire command structure is destroyed and the can not communicate with each other but these people aren't that dumb.
get it ?
My view is that acts like these ( & no, there hasn't been a trial and I am making conclussions based on
what seems to be the facts, to me ) will destroy our efforts and lead to a longer conflict. Abu Garib is an example of what a handful of fuckups can do to destroy whatever goodwill existed in Iraq.
A few acts like the rape and murder of the girl and her family and the Iraqis would be more justfied in killing every American they saw.
So how many times you been banned now Ikarti?Ikarti wrote:
Uh oh, trouble in conservative paradise.
Funny spam post. Not.jonsimon wrote:
Whats with all the hate against therapists? They're just trying to help people!
badumtish
good points grape but I think the left and the media create these events if they have to
lol, Horseman is under the delusion that liberals love and support the insurgency
Its no delusion, its a fact.
Murtha
Kerry
Kennedy
all want Americans to be killed by insurgents so that they will look good come election time.
Dispicable politians all of them.
Murtha
Kerry
Kennedy
all want Americans to be killed by insurgents so that they will look good come election time.
Dispicable politians all of them.
What do you expect?
They didn't get to the top level without leaving some morals behind.
They didn't get to the top level without leaving some morals behind.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
They prove it everyday. Whats good for America is bad for Them.Spearhead wrote:
lol, Horseman is under the delusion that liberals love and support the insurgency
Scary isn't it.
Just the same as Conservatives want innocent civilians killed by terrorists to scare people into voting Conservative.Alexanderthegrape wrote:
Its no delusion, its a fact.
Murtha
Kerry
Kennedy
all want Americans to be killed by insurgents so that they will look good come election time.
Dispicable politians all of them.
With all due respect Bubbalo, your an Aussy.
You haven't heard the American left say the things they've said. No they haven't said " I hope the insurgent kill Americans." But the things they do say have the same meaning and keep the fight going.
You haven't heard the American left say the things they've said. No they haven't said " I hope the insurgent kill Americans." But the things they do say have the same meaning and keep the fight going.
Please speak for yourself only, this is an utterly ridiculous and unjustified statement by an unqualified speaker and it just is not true.Bubbalo wrote:
Just the same as Conservatives want innocent civilians killed by terrorists to scare people into voting Conservative.
Same as Alexanderthegrapes statement was ridiculous. I've been through this with someone before, I think it was lowing? If you're going to make ridiculous statements about Liberals, I'll make ridiculous statements about Conservatives. I'm also curious as to what makes me less qualified than anyone else on these forums. Thoughts?
rofl, you tell liberals what is good for them, then when we tell you what is good for you, you tell us that we're wrong and the statement is utterly ridiculous and unjustified. Typical neo-con, dismiss your opponents statements and put shit and trash into their mouths. Was that statement utterly ridiculous and unjustified? Probably, but then again, since this has turned into a shitstorm, I'll say whatever I want. Liberals backing and supporting terrorists is the most fucking insulting thing I've ever heard a righty say, really shows how much you respect Americans who disagree with you.Horseman 77 wrote:
Please speak for yourself only, this is an utterly ridiculous and unjustified statement by an unqualified speaker and it just is not true.Bubbalo wrote:
Just the same as Conservatives want innocent civilians killed by terrorists to scare people into voting Conservative.
K, I'm done
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Suggesting that Bush is responcible for 9-11, Katrina and the Aids epidemic in Africa has been standard daily talking points for liberals. Conservatives see these kind of statements as being aiding and abeiting the enemy.Spearhead wrote:
rofl, you tell liberals what is good for them, then when we tell you what is good for you, you tell us that we're wrong and the statement is utterly ridiculous and unjustified. Typical neo-con, dismiss your opponents statements and put shit and trash into their mouths. Was that statement utterly ridiculous and unjustified? Probably, but then again, since this has turned into a shitstorm, I'll say whatever I want. Liberals backing and supporting terrorists is the most fucking insulting thing I've ever heard a righty say, really shows how much you respect Americans who disagree with you.Horseman 77 wrote:
Please speak for yourself only, this is an utterly ridiculous and unjustified statement by an unqualified speaker and it just is not true.Bubbalo wrote:
Just the same as Conservatives want innocent civilians killed by terrorists to scare people into voting Conservative.
K, I'm done
These words feed the fires and lead to American deaths.
Its not that far of a stretch.
Very scary guy ! lol ...He was done along time ago, I know, I stuck the fork in !
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Your resume. You have posted it in other threadsBubbalo wrote:
Same as Alexanderthegrapes statement was ridiculous. I've been through this with someone before, I think it was lowing? If you're going to make ridiculous statements about Liberals, I'll make ridiculous statements about Conservatives. I'm also curious as to what makes me less qualified than anyone else on these forums. Thoughts?
Neo-Cons have come up with some scary shit too. They suggest that media, education, pretty much all other forms of society which happen to be anti-Bush and anti-Iraq war is part of one giant liberal conspiracy, they suggest that we support and back terrorists, they instantly dismiss other countries as being non-important, unless they happen to have a military presence in Iraq/Afgahnistan, they suggest that the constitution is being rewritten by libs, despite the fact we've been around since the 60's, and American society and culture in the big picture has taken a turn for the better, etc.Alexanderthegrape wrote:
Suggesting that Bush is responcible for 9-11, Katrina and the Aids epidemic in Africa has been standard daily talking points for liberals. Conservatives see these kind of statements as being aiding and abeiting the enemy.Spearhead wrote:
rofl, you tell liberals what is good for them, then when we tell you what is good for you, you tell us that we're wrong and the statement is utterly ridiculous and unjustified. Typical neo-con, dismiss your opponents statements and put shit and trash into their mouths. Was that statement utterly ridiculous and unjustified? Probably, but then again, since this has turned into a shitstorm, I'll say whatever I want. Liberals backing and supporting terrorists is the most fucking insulting thing I've ever heard a righty say, really shows how much you respect Americans who disagree with you.Horseman 77 wrote:
Please speak for yourself only, this is an utterly ridiculous and unjustified statement by an unqualified speaker and it just is not true.
K, I'm done
These words feed the fires and lead to American deaths.
Its not that far of a stretch.
I'd say liberals are hurting America just as much as the neo-cons are. Probably less, even.
Uh, what? Other than that documentary that keeps popping up, there's not a huge amount of stuff on 9/11. Katrina issues occured during Bush's time, and as such blame could be attributed to him. When did we discuss AIDs?Alexanderthegrape wrote:
Suggesting that Bush is responcible for 9-11, Katrina and the Aids epidemic in Africa has been standard daily talking points for liberals.
Right, so you can say whatever you like so long as it doesn't criticise the current government? Go freedom!Alexanderthegrape wrote:
Conservatives see these kind of statements as being aiding and abeiting the enemy.
Nor is saying that terrorists killing people is good for ConservativesAlexanderthegrape wrote:
Its not that far of a stretch.
I have posted it in one other thread, and I largely avoid deliberately overstating things.Horseman 77 wrote:
Your resume. You have posted it in other threads
Go
vigilantiism is not acceptable when justice is available, it would have been a much stronger statement had the US been able to police their own, that said, if they did not commit the rape, the punishment far outweighs the crime