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Konfusion0 wrote:

OK, I will think in your way: God created man. God created free will. God, therefore, directly or indirectly created science. Why would god create something that contradicts him? Why would he make it so that the majority of humanity don't believe in him?
Furthermore, I still 'believe in' science... It's the only 'theory' that appeals both to my intellect and reasoning...

Well, you said God created free will, so obviously He knew that that could lead to disbelief, yet he did it anyway.  Free will also gave us other ways to sin and not follow His word.  But it's our choice.  He wants us to make the correct choice.

Personally I've never thought science contradicted the existence of God as much as people would like to believe.

puckmercury wrote:

Konfusion0 wrote:

puckmercury wrote:

if you could pick any woman in the world, and control them.  I mean totally dominate them and have them think do and feel in any manner that pleased you, would you?  Are you so desperate for attention that you would facilitate such a hollow robot?

Now where did that come into play?

it is what as known as an analogy.  An analogy is a literary device used to draw parallels to assist someone in understanding a point which they are having difficulty arriving to on their own.

The analogy being the situation I presented is identical and equally as ridiculous as an entity creating a race of beings pre programmed to worship and believe blindly in him.

I didn't mean blindly worshiping, but so that he communicates with all, showing them he is REALLY there...

sadly, I have to know to believe, or at least see, or get a true hint

+1 ...
You take all comments excellently, and don't go flailing out misgiving information like many others on this thread.
Great, I don't have anything else to say. I fail to believe in god, but I accept it that you do.

JaMDuDe wrote:

Konfusion0 wrote:

OK, I will think in your way: God created man. God created free will. God, therefore, directly or indirectly created science. Why would god create something that contradicts him? Why would he make it so that the majority of humanity don't believe in him?
Furthermore, I still 'believe in' science... It's the only 'theory' that appeals both to my intellect and reasoning...

Science does not contradict God. Its your personal choice.

Even if you believe we evolved, we happen to get really smart and conscious at the same time we could see perfect solar eclipses.

What do you mean by smart and conscious?

Konfusion0 - very well met.  It was never my intent to sway your opinion or regard it as a failure.  I enjoy a good debate with no intent of either side changing opinion, but hopefully with both sides leaving with greater understanding.

these are your choices both in belief in interpretation.  I see the same data set and come to a different set of conclusions based in no part in weakness or ignorance.  Again, I am confident I am right just as you are confident you are right.  If I wasn't confident I was right, I wouldn't believe what I do - because I wouldn't think it was right.  The arguement is more than slightly circular.

To claim it takes more strength to have more faith in less evidence seems to not only contradict your position but comments you make further on in your post.  Would it not be stronger to know something based on complete evidence by your logic?

I do not believe that a strong sense of faith is in any way related to a sense of strength.  The individuals I typically come into contact with who have your classic sense of extreme religious faith are ultimately the weaker individuals I come across.  A faith which is unchallenged and unrefuted has no strength whatsoever.  The Titanic would have forever been the unsinkable ship had it never left port.

I also see the motives tendencies and evidence of religious leaders and religious dogma as a whole deceiving and manipulating those who would follow their teachings.  Which is why I believe in personal spirituality over subscribing to any school of religious thought.  I don't think any faction has it right, so I think for myself and form my own system of beliefs based on my own conclusions from my own experience.  I would call myself a Christian, but that is only because I define Christian as one who believes in Christ and what he stands for.  I would not call myself a Catholic despite being raised and endoctrinated within that very rigid and overpowering religious system.

I think a better word would have been sentient.

I used to think the brain was the most amazing part of the human body.  Then I thought ... well ... look what's telling me that.

As for being smart or intelligent, while the species has exhibited the ability to discover new truths, it has demonstrated an even more overpowering ability to simply adapt and manufacture new more convenient truths.  Society is an ill beast.

JaMDuDe wrote:

Konfusion0 wrote:

OK, I will think in your way: God created man. God created free will. God, therefore, directly or indirectly created science. Why would god create something that contradicts him? Why would he make it so that the majority of humanity don't believe in him?
Furthermore, I still 'believe in' science... It's the only 'theory' that appeals both to my intellect and reasoning...

Science does not contradict God. Its your personal choice.

Even if you believe we evolved, we happen to get really smart and conscious at the same time we could see perfect solar eclipses.

I don't see your point... I don't even get what you're trying to say

ah...but how can you know it was exactly then? It is then, that humans started recording this, but does this necessarily mean that there was none before?

I'm not Christian, but I like the music.

puckmercury wrote:

maybe I'm missing something, but if the moon was closer, would that not serve to more easily facilitate a solar eclipse?  A closer object of the same size serves to block a larger relative area behind it.

Put a 12" rectangle in front of your face and you've blocked out any view.  Put it 100' away, and it has no affect.

yeh thats all well and good and all, but show me a tractor big enough to pull the moon closer??? 

Maybe if we were only born with smaller eyes, then there would be more solar eclipses?  Try squinting, everything looks darker.

Last edited by Major_Spittle (2006-07-21 22:45:55)

Vub wrote:

Science was created by humans and intelligent creatures in order to attempt to explain every phenomenon they observe. It is the humans' attempt (and a very successful one in certain regards) at trying to understand how God created the world and the universe. Hence it is a human interpretation of God's mind which we can't possibly understand, so therefore sometimes science would seem to contradict the Bible.

But ultimately science and research is just our way of getting closer to God and his creations.

You've got it backwards. Faith was created by humans to try to explain their surroundings!

puckmercury wrote:

maybe I'm missing something, but if the moon was closer, would that not serve to more easily facilitate a solar eclipse?  A closer object of the same size serves to block a larger relative area behind it.

Put a 12" rectangle in front of your face and you've blocked out any view.  Put it 100' away, and it has no affect.

It would make an eclipse, but not a perfect one. Right now the moon makes an almost perfect fit with the sun.