They were warned years ago NOT to travel to the middleeast, then they have the NERVE to Critisize the Govt response? Thats like Getting into a barrel in the niagra river Planning to go over the falls and expecting a rescue. I dont get it. Your fucked if you do, your fucked if you dont, your fucked if you do, but dont do it fast enough. Personally if i were the Govt, id charge the dumb Ignorant Evacuees for getting into the mess in the first place. Im sorry, but who in there right mind visits lebbanon for a vacation? Uneducated Highschool drop outs is my guess. Even if they are duel nationality, Wouldnt the smartest move be NOT to goto the Country that has the terrorists Holding the Govt hostage? Noooooooo that makes too much sense.
I dare say 90% of foreigners in Lebanon now are those with lebanese roots or family / friends there, not tourists.
others will be of lebanese origin, but hold a double citizenship. IIRC, the canadians killed this week were lebanese with canadian passports. It is natural for those to visit with their families from time to time.
others will be of lebanese origin, but hold a double citizenship. IIRC, the canadians killed this week were lebanese with canadian passports. It is natural for those to visit with their families from time to time.
most are NOT tourists. and second of all what about all of the people that work for the embassy, do you want them to get blown the shit out of???? me thinks not.
i personally think that <[onex]>Headstone post its quite childish and idiotic but hey people can have there own opinions.
i personally think that <[onex]>Headstone post its quite childish and idiotic but hey people can have there own opinions.
Those people had a right to go on vacation/business/to meet friends and family in whatever country they like. It's not their fault that Israelis started to bomb all around. And if the US cares about it's citizens, no matter in what country they are, these people will be evacuated to safety.
Its childish for me to be MAD because they have the Gaul to criticize the Govts So called slow response? BULLSHIT. I Know there duel citizens, But they Choose to visit these countries against US warnings. The sensible thing for these duel nationalists is to stay where its Safe until told otherwise. I mean How many times can you tell someone that most of the Mideast is unstable, and that Anything could happen without any notice? My post childish? Shit dude i live in NY man, I pay More taxes than Any other state in the country basically, Like i need more burden. I even have a frigging Hybrid car that isn't helping much, because I'm also pissed about a war that has lasted well over the time line, Its created Higher everything for us. Now we have to flip the bill for people who choose to travel to unstable lands.
Just makes sense to me that if its unstable, wait it out, use the mail to communicate, whatever ya need to do to stay in touch and SAFE. I just dont agree with crying and complaining over a response that we didn't even have to address.
Just makes sense to me that if its unstable, wait it out, use the mail to communicate, whatever ya need to do to stay in touch and SAFE. I just dont agree with crying and complaining over a response that we didn't even have to address.
There are about 25,000 Americans in Lebanon, and only about 8000 are screaming for evacuation. Here is a question. What are the other 17,000 of them doing?
In my opinion, they do NOT deserve a free ride out unless the goverment sent them there. You went there against the advice of the goverment. Ha ha, find your own way out. But I am famous for being heartless.
In my opinion, they do NOT deserve a free ride out unless the goverment sent them there. You went there against the advice of the goverment. Ha ha, find your own way out. But I am famous for being heartless.
How do you know why these people are there? for all you know they could be visiting dying relatives before they kick the bucket. They could be seeing their new nephew for the first time or whatever.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Its childish for me to be MAD because they have the Gaul to criticize the Govts So called slow response? BULLSHIT. I Know there duel citizens, But they Choose to visit these countries against US warnings. The sensible thing for these duel nationalists is to stay where its Safe until told otherwise. I mean How many times can you tell someone that most of the Mideast is unstable, and that Anything could happen without any notice? My post childish? Shit dude i live in NY man, I pay More taxes than Any other state in the country basically, Like i need more burden. I even have a frigging Hybrid car that isn't helping much, because I'm also pissed about a war that has lasted well over the time line, Its created Higher everything for us. Now we have to flip the bill for people who choose to travel to unstable lands.
Just makes sense to me that if its unstable, wait it out, use the mail to communicate, whatever ya need to do to stay in touch and SAFE. I just dont agree with crying and complaining over a response that we didn't even have to address.
If you knew that your family could be killed before you seem them again next, wouldn't you naturally attempt to see them before it might happen?
well aus got petty reamed, our government hired a ferry to get our people out then when the ferry got the port the un commandeered it, apparently it had been "double booked".
We are not a cradle to grave society. Our (The american) goverment should not exist to take care of us, but rather protect us from crime internally, and from invasion externally. That is all I depend on my goverment for, and that is all I want my goverment to do. Anything else is getting too much into my business. I realize that socialist goverments and people have a different view. You are welcome to it, but leave me with mine. I WANT a goverment that does not really care who I am or what I am doing.Wasder wrote:
Those people had a right to go on vacation/business/to meet friends and family in whatever country they like. It's not their fault that Israelis started to bomb all around. And if the US cares about it's citizens, no matter in what country they are, these people will be evacuated to safety.
It seriously does puzzle me why people visit the lebanon for a vacation...... i mean, why not visit baghdad? i hear its nice this time of year... Or, perhaps a tour of afganistan?
NO what I WOULD try to do is bring them HERE where there safe. I mean its not unheard of to come here right? Wouldnt the SENSABLE thing be to reverse the role and have them come to a safe land? Oh but that would make sense. Sorry my bad.Shem wrote:
How do you know why these people are there? for all you know they could be visiting dying relatives before they kick the bucket. They could be seeing their new nephew for the first time or whatever.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
Its childish for me to be MAD because they have the Gaul to criticize the Govts So called slow response? BULLSHIT. I Know there duel citizens, But they Choose to visit these countries against US warnings. The sensible thing for these duel nationalists is to stay where its Safe until told otherwise. I mean How many times can you tell someone that most of the Mideast is unstable, and that Anything could happen without any notice? My post childish? Shit dude i live in NY man, I pay More taxes than Any other state in the country basically, Like i need more burden. I even have a frigging Hybrid car that isn't helping much, because I'm also pissed about a war that has lasted well over the time line, Its created Higher everything for us. Now we have to flip the bill for people who choose to travel to unstable lands.
Just makes sense to me that if its unstable, wait it out, use the mail to communicate, whatever ya need to do to stay in touch and SAFE. I just dont agree with crying and complaining over a response that we didn't even have to address.
If you knew that your family could be killed before you seem them again next, wouldn't you naturally attempt to see them before it might happen?
Sure, bring your entire family over, I'm sure it will be cheap as chips.
I say we evacuate them to Iran where it is safe. I hate stupid people. Them being bombed is darwin's way of keeping the collective I.Q. of the human race from dropping further.
Me being poor, Id still find a way, remember family is family. Capitolist peoples spend more than the trip would cost just on shit like plasma TV's. Arabs and Other peoples are no different, if not worse when it comes to making money. A few less steaks or trips to the fastfood restdrant for a year is worth the lives of your loved ones isnt it?Shem wrote:
Sure, bring your entire family over, I'm sure it will be cheap as chips.
You make it sound like the Americans that are seeking evacuation were just sitting around their homes and said "Looks like Israel is gonna level Lebanon. Let's go watch!" The US has evacuated its citizens from war zones and hostile regions of the world for years. I'd also speculate that it's probably not easy to get transportation out of Lebanon since Israel has been bombing the airports and destroying roads and bridges for days. MSNBC just said that over 500,000 people have been displaced so far in Lebanon. It's chaos over there and the regular citizen can't get the help they need in order to remove themselves from a bad situation. The reason the US has waived the requirements for American citizens to reimburse the government for travel cost is to expedite evacualtion and remove a potential worry for them.<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
They were warned years ago NOT to travel to the middleeast, then they have the NERVE to Critisize the Govt response? Thats like Getting into a barrel in the niagra river Planning to go over the falls and expecting a rescue. I dont get it. Your fucked if you do, your fucked if you dont, your fucked if you do, but dont do it fast enough. Personally if i were the Govt, id charge the dumb Ignorant Evacuees for getting into the mess in the first place. Im sorry, but who in there right mind visits lebbanon for a vacation? Uneducated Highschool drop outs is my guess. Even if they are duel nationality, Wouldnt the smartest move be NOT to goto the Country that has the terrorists Holding the Govt hostage? Noooooooo that makes too much sense.
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but dubai in the UAE is a nice place in the middle east...
well i really doubt Israel is going to bomb the American embassy or any embassys for that matter because unlike Hezballoh our rockets are guided not randomly shoot hoping to hitmavrick 3399 wrote:
most are NOT tourists. and second of all what about all of the people that work for the embassy, do you want them to get blown the shit out of???? me thinks not.
i personally think that <[onex]>Headstone post its quite childish and idiotic but hey people can have there own opinions.
I dont think people are saying does people dont have the right to be evacuted what they are saying is that they're sick of only hearing people complain and whine once they're in US becuase after all US said dont go there and they should be saying thanx not complainWasder wrote:
Those people had a right to go on vacation/business/to meet friends and family in whatever country they like. It's not their fault that Israelis started to bomb all around. And if the US cares about it's citizens, no matter in what country they are, these people will be evacuated to safety.
Just think about all the people that had travel insurance and got a free ride home. Now they can go and get reimbursed for the plane tickets that they didn't use. All the while my tax dollars are going to pay for their ride home. I don't see any thing wrong with the people reimbursing the government for their flight from Cypress back to the states. Hell they should even have to help pay for the cruise ships that the government rented to transport them to Cypress. I've heard people complaining about haveing to sleep on the cement or hard floors and not having enough food and water. All it is is people with the "what are you going to do for me " attitude.
Actually, Lebannon has a large tourism industry. And the government wouldn't be "fucked if they do" if they could do it with some class and perhaps a bit of urgency or competence. Booking a 750 person cruise ship, then realizing 750!=1500 is a laughable mistake.
I'm sure many of these American Citizens would be more than happy to find thier own way out...maybe if Israel hand't BOMBED THE RUNWAYS or BOMBED THE ROADS or BOMBED THE PORTS.
It's fucking idiocy for people to criticize our fellow citizens for wanting to leave. If your too lame to spend time in other countries with other cultures, which obviously some of you have zero respect for, than just STFU.
I've a coworker who is Lebanese by birth who has family still in Lebanon, his 6 year old nephew and new born niece recently were rescued by American forces from Lebanon. Obviously they both had complete capability to leave on thier own, or not go in the first place.
America is great because we take care of our own, and not leave them out to dry when the shit hits the fan. They shouldn't have to pay for the "service" or prostrate themselves for the American public. We should all be able to depend on our government to do right by us. Of course I think there's a segment of our population that should spend some time in Lebanon or Iraq to get a better idea of what it's like to be on the shit end of a situation with no options for escape.
Scotch
It's fucking idiocy for people to criticize our fellow citizens for wanting to leave. If your too lame to spend time in other countries with other cultures, which obviously some of you have zero respect for, than just STFU.
I've a coworker who is Lebanese by birth who has family still in Lebanon, his 6 year old nephew and new born niece recently were rescued by American forces from Lebanon. Obviously they both had complete capability to leave on thier own, or not go in the first place.
America is great because we take care of our own, and not leave them out to dry when the shit hits the fan. They shouldn't have to pay for the "service" or prostrate themselves for the American public. We should all be able to depend on our government to do right by us. Of course I think there's a segment of our population that should spend some time in Lebanon or Iraq to get a better idea of what it's like to be on the shit end of a situation with no options for escape.
Scotch
There will always be people who do stupid things... and then the rest have to pay for their stupidity. I will probably also do stupid things during my life that will affect others, but i doubt that i will go to a country that is very unstable and my government warned me about. If i did, and expected my country to get me the fuck out immediately, and they couldn't because such an "operation" would be to dangerous and hard for the moment, i would probably also criticize my own government... even though i have no right to it and it was my own damn fault. But thats life... we will always have to pay for other peoples mistakes and stupidity.
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The US could NOT send in Any big war ships, because that would have been seen as an act of war to the camel jockeys. We used what was close.jonsimon wrote:
Actually, Lebannon has a large tourism industry. And the government wouldn't be "fucked if they do" if they could do it with some class and perhaps a bit of urgency or competence. Booking a 750 person cruise ship, then realizing 750!=1500 is a laughable mistake.
Sorry, But NO American citizen(or Duel Citizen) shouldn't expect Anything from the Govt UNLESS they are say, Kidnapped(Iran) by Terrorists. Once you leave American soil, You are fully on your own when traveling to hostile regions. Sorry, but the Govt didnt owe them anything.-F8-Scotch wrote:
I'm sure many of these American Citizens would be more than happy to find thier own way out...maybe if Israel hand't BOMBED THE RUNWAYS or BOMBED THE ROADS or BOMBED THE PORTS.
It's fucking idiocy for people to criticize our fellow citizens for wanting to leave. If your too lame to spend time in other countries with other cultures, which obviously some of you have zero respect for, than just STFU.
I've a coworker who is Lebanese by birth who has family still in Lebanon, his 6 year old nephew and new born niece recently were rescued by American forces from Lebanon. Obviously they both had complete capability to leave on thier own, or not go in the first place.
America is great because we take care of our own, and not leave them out to dry when the shit hits the fan. They shouldn't have to pay for the "service" or prostrate themselves for the American public. We should all be able to depend on our government to do right by us. Of course I think there's a segment of our population that should spend some time in Lebanon or Iraq to get a better idea of what it's like to be on the shit end of a situation with no options for escape.
Scotch
And yet it wasn't seen as an act of war when the UK sent in warships (HMS Gloucester for one)?<[onex]>Headstone wrote:
The US could NOT send in Any big war ships, because that would have been seen as an act of war to the camel jockeys. We used what was close.jonsimon wrote:
Actually, Lebannon has a large tourism industry. And the government wouldn't be "fucked if they do" if they could do it with some class and perhaps a bit of urgency or competence. Booking a 750 person cruise ship, then realizing 750!=1500 is a laughable mistake.
Personally, I think those that went in recently against government advice are pretty stupid, and should have to pay for their rescue. What no-one seems to have taken into account is the long-term residents. If someone has been out there for 10 years or so, it seems extremely unfair to put a price on saving their lives.
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