Poll

The norm should be 'attacking uncaps is allowed' (Discuss)

I agree, attacking uncaps should usually allowed.70%70% - 263
I disagree, attacking uncaps should be frowned upon.29%29% - 111
Total: 374
Sea_JayUK
Member
+19|6972|Notts
Agree with you toxic that the best games are with equal teams however what I'm trying to get at is that this 'Dont atack uncaps' is totally outside the scope of what anyone making the game planned, it's a totally artificial rule!

The basic premse of this thread is to judge peoples openess to the idea that ATTACKING UNCAPS AT ANY TIME is totally fine, it's not spawn raping because the spawning system is the same at ANY flag and it's fully supported in the BF manual (Thanks to Snake, P 13)

Maybe these 'dont attack uncaps' rules should be banned from Ranked servers.
USAFDude_1988
Will fly for food.
+120|6958|Daytona Beach, FL
Baseraping is a matter of life or death for US pilots on PLA maps.. you HAVE to make sure the J-10 stays on the ground or its game over.
Jenkinsbball
Banned
+149|6997|USA bitches!
I said yes, but only when all flags are capped. There's no point to playing this game if one side constantly rapes UCB's. I've been in my fair share of games that its been done, and I was on both ends. I was play Sharqi last night and the MEC chopper kept raping the station. Nobody was trying to cap or anything, they juts held their distance and raped. We finally shot it down and the AZ-10 respawned and we raped their helo pad for 2-4 minutes to show them what dicks they were. That round, I had was 48:2 as gunner and we didn't rape once until the end. That shows you don't need to rape to get points.
Rocks_AT
Member
+0|7197
As far as I know ""Attacking Uncaps being allowed" is the norm. Now, if a server doesn't want you to play like that, I think they pay their money and deserve a server that lets you have a fun game.

Your Epeen isn't as important as other people's enjoyment.
comet241
Member
+164|7214|Normal, IL
I do believe there are quite a few threads on this already. one went for 16 pages the other 6..... been talked to death.
OpsChief
Member
+101|7125|Southern California
lol ditto to comet241 here we go again m8   



@the thread - Its simple - follow the rules. If there are spawnfence rules then don't break them go play elsewhere.

If there are no spawnfence rules then since it doesn't even exist as an official concept in BF2, which they handled the last generation of FPS's spawncamping by adding Squad Leader spawning and a large number of points to use. The red circle-slash means uncapturable not unattackable.


@Sea_JayUK Remember to follow the rules.  Your comment "The norm should be 'attacking uncaps is allowed' " is interesting to see how far we have come. A Server must announce the enforcement of spawnfences because they are not included the basic game rules and changes to the basic game must be posted. If they have no changes Servers are not required to announce the absence of spawnfences.

Last edited by OpsChief (2006-07-19 17:59:48)

Mitch
16 more years
+877|6974|South Florida
Well, i think it matters on how they are raping your uncap. With armor, i think they should be banned to hell, but take camping the carrier with your Mig-29 on Oman, i don't think thats a wrong thing, because people have a chance to hop in there jet and take you out, or hop on there USS-ESSEX Anti-Arcraft Machine Gun Rocket Launcher All-In-One-Pack (Also known as the USSESSEXAAMGRLAIOP) and take your ass out.

Where as if there using 3 tanks and 4 apcs checking out each spawn point not even giving you a damn chance, then no.

I voted NO.

Just my oppinion.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Disodium
Member
+13|6963|Sydney
I agree, attacking uncaps should usually allowed.

There are usually defences at these locations (that are never manned) and its always the tossers that are too stupid to adapt to the situation that makes the whole thing so stressing and 'unfun' so i think it should be legal.

Im not a SK'r but as above if your team fails at team work then you should be grinded into pulp in the corner of the map.
BF2 was meant to be designed around team work and promoting people to work together.

Viable solutions that people that have a problem with attacking uncappables should ask for are:
1) Additional defensive assets at uncappables, increase the power of the existing ones.
2) Additional spawn points should be available one in the open the other concealed and artillary immune (similar to the carrier)

IMO its part of the game,
It the enemy excersises enough team work to push my team back to a wall ill still stand up and get raped like a man why?
You win some you loose some!
If it bothers me then i do the most LOGICAL thing.. I stop playing or join another server.

Last edited by Disodium (2006-07-19 18:11:04)

Drax
Paddles/Plane Whore
+28|7010|Australia, NSW
on wake, as chinese in j10, i dont attack the carrier cause i think its slack, any1 can put a bomb down on a group of 8 people waiting for a chopper to spawn, doesnt mean u have any real skill. people are too point hungry, i think its best to let them cap a flag, so u can get kills there, the round lasts longer, and people have a better game. im usually playing on internode where its bannable to attack it, but u still get noobs doing it, breaking the server rules.
overall, follow server rules- dont be a point whore.
empathy, how would u like to be being raped nonstop. spawn as american and see how u like it.

the only really time where its fair on both teams is when the US have at least 3 flags, so that theres other places for them to go, and have no excuse to be standing around doing nothing.
skywalker107
Member
+2|7028
Attacking the uncaps is fair as long as ALL other flags are taken. I hate playing ghost town and seeing the enemy have all the main flags but not the 2 islands and they are coming into the uncap and tearing shit up.

When they are in the uncap 'fairly' i will spawn as spec ops and immediately run straight up to the enemy tank/apc/aa and blow it sky high(most of the time taking myself with it. I was going to die anyways so why give someone else a point.)
Eagle
Togs8896 is my evil alter ego
+567|7080|New Hampshire, USA
If no one was supposed to attack the uncaps, then why did they put most of the commander assets there.  There is no reason why uncaps should be safe zones
https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/14407/Sig_Pats.jpg
Slickfish
Member
+24|7072
I don't think uncaps should be attacked, if its the last flag, hold the enemy there, they have a chance to try to get out and you can spam them on the way out, at least then they have a chance, direct assaults are so cheap if as they have no other option to spawn anywhere else, so they will without doubt end up spawning in front of one of you APC's guns.

No sport no skill involved, a proper stupid nub can getting onto a decent team and sit there pawning in that situation. No matter how good you think you are at this game if the rest of your team have no brain you are in a mess.

These situations normally occur when over afew rounds all the better players seem to gradually move onto one team!!!, yeah you guys rule hhhmmmmmm not!!!!, I've played on servers before where I've been the highest ranked player on my team!!!, I know you get some good low ranked players, but its a good indicator when your best team player has 8 for 23 and on the other team they have 34-5, and with the huge score your best player would be 12th if they where on the other team!.

Whenever this happens I just leave the server, as there's no point, so if uncap attack was allowed, if I had another spawn point then I wouldn't mind to much, but if it was the only option I'd leave the server.

Can you imagine all the crap nub hovering choppers over the bases just shredding anyone who spawns, yeah "its war every things fare", but I never knew that helos could take direct hits from a tank etc, damn!!.
Does that mean I hack and cheat, it war alls fare!! oh no..no its not!!

The only time I agree with camping a base, is if its the last one and its not a uncap and you are covering your attackers or holding the enemy there while you wait for reinforcements.

If its a uncap yeah you could not spawn, but then you have to sit and wait for how long before you get to play again, and considering some of the members on here have had ago about a TK denying someone 15sec's of their playing time.

Nothing worse than a idiot flying the chopper out to the carrier and hammering away, non of your team being able to run to the AA as they are camping it!!!, what would you pro's do?????.

Last edited by Slickfish (2006-07-20 07:21:09)

E1_ned
Member
+8|6943|netherlands
Allot of people telling why it should be allowed are saying the same thing over and over again... plz read and add something. if i want this I'd buy a parrot

it took me way to much time to read all this crap about
, bla bla , don't deserve to live , bla bla

play for fun and grant others some fun..

enlighten me give me some new arguments
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7111|USA
Uncap should be attackable anytime. No reason to make it easier for the other team. If Im back there causing a problem come find me and own me. Or you can be a bitch and just kick me. I know its easier.
pndragon26
Member
+23|7135
I don't think any caps should be attacked! Settle it with diplomacy.
E1_ned
Member
+8|6943|netherlands

pndragon26 wrote:

I don't think any caps should be attacked! Settle it with diplomacy.
uhh I'm sorry for killing some and wounding others but,,,,, could we talk this over with a pint?
DerGraueWolf
aka Nekrodamus
+52|7181|Germany, near Koblenz
To attack a non-capable base is the exactly the same like attacking a cap without the intention to take it: Pure Baseraping! Whenever I see that kind of game I leave immediately, because it's just boring to be on the all-good-players-in-one-team-side and it's just frustrating to be a victim.

There is just one but a quite simple solution: No uncaps on any map! Then an unbalanced round will end very quickly which makes the "supermans" either leave (not enough frags/points to get there) or to split over both teams. Whatever they do, the server will be balanced after a few rounds automatically.
OpsChief
Member
+101|7125|Southern California
Attacking uncaps (baseraping spawncamping whatever you choose to call it) is allowed unless otherwise spelled out in the rules. It is the original game design like it or not.
ShotYourSix
Boldly going nowhere...
+196|7168|Las Vegas
If EA had only spelled it out a bit more clearly in the manual, this whole debate would be nonexistant.  Unfortunately, they only went so far as to suggest arty strikes on enemy commander assets.  While most would agree that it was the intention of the game designers to facillitate battle in the uncaps, it is way too open to interpetation.  Damn EA for not making a clear statemement one way or the other!

I doubt EA could be coerced to take a stance one way or another at this point.
Sea_JayUK
Member
+19|6972|Notts
Hmmm, great comments so far, and the poll supports attacking uncaps! Came across a server today, type BAF in the server search to get it. It said 'Common Rules'...

I mean, WTF is that? Incidently got my ass sniped off when we ended up near MEC uncap on Oman so was never an issue but I'm interested in whether I would have got banned for attacing an uncap. Anyway, i feel alot better about attacking uncaps after this thread, 2/3 of players seem to support it so that little guy who spams KICK/BAN KICK/BAN ADMIN ADMIN when i antitank him in his base is probably in the minority.

Cheers guys...

See you on the battlefield!
SAF.Razor
SAF-Squad's BHD, JO:E and BF2 n00b
+2|6993|The Netherlands
There is a server with the following text:

Baseraping/attacking Uncap is allowed. IT'S WAR, DEAL WITH IT

That pretty much sums it up
l41e
Member
+677|7097

SAF.Razor wrote:

There is a server with the following text:

Baseraping/attacking Uncap is allowed. IT'S WAR, DEAL WITH IT

That pretty much sums it up
It's not war. It's a computer game. Deal with it.
Des.Kmal
Member
+917|7067|Atlanta, Georgia, USA

k30dxedle wrote:

SAF.Razor wrote:

There is a server with the following text:

Baseraping/attacking Uncap is allowed. IT'S WAR, DEAL WITH IT

That pretty much sums it up
It's not war. It's a computer game. Deal with it.
the computer game is war. you are playing war. Deal with it.

...
Add me on Origin for Battlefield 4 fun: DesKmal
l41e
Member
+677|7097

Des.Kmal wrote:

k30dxedle wrote:

SAF.Razor wrote:

There is a server with the following text:

Baseraping/attacking Uncap is allowed. IT'S WAR, DEAL WITH IT

That pretty much sums it up
It's not war. It's a computer game. Deal with it.
the computer game is war. you are playing war. Deal with it.

...
Most people attack uncaps to get more stats to enlarge their e-penis. Deal with it.
Sea_JayUK
Member
+19|6972|Notts
lol, I attack uncaps mate... I dont have stats to enlarge anything.

the most stat horing people create new accounts... I mean, who are you trying to impress!! It's not your BF2 gaming career stats... whats the point.

(go cheat at patience)

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