U.S. troops captured in Iraq. PART 2

2006-07-16 00:01:37

#1

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6771|Global Command

In Memoriam;

, Pfc. Kristian Menchaca

, Pfc. Thomas Tuck

The spokesman for the U.S. Army said that the soldiers had been tortured in a " unnatural manner "
A "insurgent " group released a video saying that the two men had been killed in retaliation for the rape of a girl and murder of her family.
The men were part of the same outfit wherein the rapist came from I've heard.
1st; what kind of world do we live in where any sort of torture would be considered " natural "?
Now, I am known as a staunch supporter of our troops. This is different. My only issue is the terrorist got the wrong guys. If our guys get caught doing this kind of shit I vote we turn them over to the families of the victims. If we are to be a world leader we must have the harshest penalties for misbehavior and the highest moral standards.
2nd; if these dumb assed Iraqis can get it together long enough to snag two of our guys in a well planned assault why can't they do this on a larger scale. If they fought like this country wide we would soon sure as shit be outta there, and fast.

My only conclussion is that they are not evolved enough to do it. And, yes, I am talkng about the WHOLE of Islam.

Last edited by Alexanderthegrape (2006-07-16 00:02:13)

2006-07-16 00:07:33

#2

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6885

so so so many things went wrong if this shit is true, which it could very well be. Generals arent gonna talk about death senteances unless its reached some kind of approval from higher up the brass. if whoever is responsible for this is found guilty, i think it should be military execution. the only other case I would supprt the execution of another "soldier" would be for that one e-5 that threw the grenade in the TOC during the invasion.

a lot of careers deserve to be ruined as well, if this shit is true.

I have a special hate for beheadings, i wouldnt wanna do that to my worst enemy. I wouldnt even wanna see it done to my worst enemy.

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2006-07-16 00:09:59

#3

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6771|Global Command

I agree. The bastard should get the firing squad. The muffers who tried to cover it up should be tossed out on their asses.

2006-07-16 00:12:57

#4

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6885

complacency, not haji, is the American's worst enemy in Iraq.

2006-07-16 00:15:32

#5

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6803

No, but then I also oppose the death penalty, so..................................

In some ways this comes down to where you stand on justice/punishment type issues: I'm from the "prevention is the primary goal" camp.

2006-07-16 00:16:42

#6

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6885

its 11AM in Iraq right now

2006-07-16 00:21:07

#7

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|6769|Portland, OR USA

Bubbalo wrote:
No, but then I also oppose the death penalty, so..................................

In some ways this comes down to where you stand on justice/punishment type issues: I'm from the "prevention is the primary goal" camp.

while I agree that prevention is the primary goal, punishment serves that goal. If you see those convicted of a crime punished in a manner adequately severe enough to dissuade you from a similar course of action, prevention has been served. I'm absolutely for the death penalty. I see no point in life imprisonment. If we have already ruled that you are a sufficiently large enough waste of life to have no function in society, why then burden a society with maintaining their existence?

2006-07-16 00:25:09

#8

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6885

puckmercury wrote:
Bubbalo wrote:
No, but then I also oppose the death penalty, so..................................

In some ways this comes down to where you stand on justice/punishment type issues: I'm from the "prevention is the primary goal" camp.
while I agree that prevention is the primary goal, punishment serves that goal. If you see those convicted of a crime punished in a manner adequately severe enough to dissuade you from a similar course of action, prevention has been served. I'm absolutely for the death penalty. I see no point in life imprisonment. If we have already ruled that you are a sufficiently large enough waste of life to have no function in society, why then burden a society with maintaining their existence?

word. especially in this case. wow, so much went wrong there. I would never support the death of another American serviceman, but these actions might be the reason 10 more fucking IED's are gonna be set on route tampa tonight. The insurgents love this kinda shit...

2006-07-16 00:26:01

#9

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6803

If the death penalty is so successful, how come America is the only Western country who still use it on a regular basis, and yet have one of the worst reputations for violent crime?

2006-07-16 00:28:14

#10

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6885

Bubbalo wrote:
If the death penalty is so successful, how come America is the only Western country who still use it on a regular basis, and yet have one of the worst reputations for violent crime?

because the enitre world is influenced by our media and culture. And the fact that non-americans seem to think they know what goes on in this county from the movies that we produce.

2006-07-16 00:29:51

#11

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6771|Global Command

It comes down, to me, in the number of people.
Say there is 300 million people in America. One of them is a career fuck up and finally devovles into a murderer.
I say there is enough people. Rehabilitation should be reserved for the not mentally screwed. If you are a murderer, your done and this chance at life is over.

2006-07-16 00:31:51

#12

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6803

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
because the enitre world is influenced by our media and culture. And the fact that non-americans seem to think they know what goes on in this county from the movies that we produce.

So, you're telling me that Australians are discouraged from killing by that fact that the US has the death penalty?

2006-07-16 00:34:32

#13

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|6885

Bubbalo wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
because the enitre world is influenced by our media and culture. And the fact that non-americans seem to think they know what goes on in this county from the movies that we produce.
So, you're telling me that Australians are discouraged from killing by that fact that the US has the death penalty?

I dont know anything about Australia except that its winter over there right?

2006-07-16 00:49:24

#14

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6916|Canberra, AUS

And fucking cold, too.

Every Australian knows the US has the penalty. Every Australian ALSO knows that Australia DOES NOT have the death penalty - due to some, erm, 'interesting' news stories recently (bali 9, anyone?)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2006-07-16 00:49:32

#15

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6958

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Bubbalo wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
because the enitre world is influenced by our media and culture. And the fact that non-americans seem to think they know what goes on in this county from the movies that we produce.
So, you're telling me that Australians are discouraged from killing by that fact that the US has the death penalty?
I dont know anything about Australia except that its winter over there right?

yes it is winter there

the guy deserves a military execution if they murdered the family and raped the girl, but life sentence is a defitnant.

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2006-07-16 00:55:19

#16

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|6769|Portland, OR USA

Bubbalo wrote:
If the death penalty is so successful, how come America is the only Western country who still use it on a regular basis, and yet have one of the worst reputations for violent crime?

because it is not properly applied, or liberally enough in my opinion. "Regular basis" is a term widely open to interpretation. That gets back to the previous statement about my not finding a point in life imprisonment. The death penalty as it sits now is not uniformly applied or dealt with. So it's usually a surprise when it IS handed down and usually the result of public outcry as opposed to legislative or judicial action.

2006-07-16 01:09:33

#17

beerface702: Member; +65|6935|las vegas

if they hid evidence, or knew what had happned and not reported it too a higher up. yes they deserve a dihonrable discharge and some other type of punishment, at least a year in the brig.

if they just knew the commrade by associtation...then no, they shouldnt be punsihed at all, if they had nothing to do with anything. simple as that

in fact a dishonrable is probably enough. it can really fubar your life after the service for several years as far as employment goes. unless your just cleaning shitters or something

Last edited by beerface702 (2006-07-16 01:11:01)

2006-07-16 02:03:45

#18

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6803

puckmercury wrote:
because it is not properly applied, or liberally enough in my opinion. "Regular basis" is a term widely open to interpretation. That gets back to the previous statement about my not finding a point in life imprisonment. The death penalty as it sits now is not uniformly applied or dealt with. So it's usually a surprise when it IS handed down and usually the result of public outcry as opposed to legislative or judicial action.

Basically, the US is the only Western nation who still use the death penalty (although some others have it, they rarely if ever use it).

2006-07-16 02:08:54

#19

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|6769|Portland, OR USA

which only addresses the first sentence vaguely, but ok.

2006-07-16 02:14:16

#20

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6803

The rest has nothing to do with what I said.

2006-07-16 08:25:06

#21

Horseman 77: Banned; +160|7079

Gunslinger IF II wrote:
Bubble wrote:
If the death penalty is so successful, how come America is the only Western country who still use it on a regular basis, and yet have one of the worst reputations for violent crime?
because the entire world is influenced by our media and culture. And the fact that non-Americans seem to think they know what goes on in this county from the movies that we produce.

so funny . Owned again !

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2006-07-16 08:30:34

#22

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6958

send em to leavenworth for a few years

2006-07-16 10:30:59

#23

Horseman 77: Banned; +160|7079

This makes Poll no sense at all. The mutilations of the dead soldiers happened well before the accusations of rape surfaced. Its just a lame ass attempt to make them look potent. Which liberals fall for hook line and sinker.
As if those cock rats could actually kill two specific soldiers ? 99 times out of 100 their bombs kill Innocent Iraqis and some probably even have insurgent sympathies. These people are so impotent they cant even hide two dead bodies. They never " Captured " anyone.

2006-07-16 23:33:39

#24

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6803

So, how did they torture them if they didn't capture them?

2006-07-17 06:31:11

#25

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6771|Global Command

Horseman 77 wrote:
This makes Poll no sense at all. The mutilations of the dead soldiers happened well before the accusations of rape surfaced. Its just a lame ass attempt to make them look potent. Which liberals fall for hook line and sinker.
As if those cock rats could actually kill two specific soldiers ? 99 times out of 100 their bombs kill Innocent Iraqis and some probably even have insurgent sympathies. These people are so impotent they cant even hide two dead bodies. They never " Captured " anyone.

Ya know, I gotta wonder if we're talking about the same story.

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