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CameronPoe wrote:

Hamas lifted their ceasefire with Israel when a Palestinian family on a beach in Gaza were killed by Israeli artillery.

Aside from the fact that that hasnt been proven to be an attack by the IDF and Israel denies it was.. Hamas has never conformed to the ceasefire shooting qassam rockets into israel EVERY day.

Your conditions are laughable. Besides the fact is Germany exectued millions of Jews they werent in a power position after ww2 and thats why they pay reparations. The jews are in a power position and all withdrawals have been met with further violence. Israel owes Palestine NOTHING and thats what theyre going to get.

Do you really think that the West will get involved? HELL NO! This stuff has been going on for ages, and the West hasnt got itself involved because

A) Israel got themselves into it, and i'll be damned if im gonna fight with them
B) Israeli land was actually Palestine, untill the aftermath of WWII
C) This is basically about Religion, and that is a sensitive subject that many take offence of if something said wrong.
D) Its gonna go for ages, and Israel is gonna invade every single bloody country it borders
E) There are many Islamic, Muslim, Christian, Jewish people that live in the West. If the US for example aided Israel as an active role, think about the consequences of the opposite religions. Riots, anger, you name it, and vice versa. The US is only aiding Israel because the amount of Jewish people in US outnumbers the other religions in the Middle East ( i think)


This is going to take ages, unless the UN does something about it. Act now before the shit hits the ceiling.

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Hamas lifted their ceasefire with Israel when a Palestinian family on a beach in Gaza were killed by Israeli artillery.

Aside from the fact that that hasnt been proven to be an attack by the IDF and Israel denies it was.. Hamas has never conformed to the ceasefire shooting qassam rockets into israel EVERY day.

Your conditions are laughable. Besides the fact is Germany exectued millions of Jews they werent in a power position after ww2 and thats why they pay reparations. The jews are in a power position and all withdrawals have been met with further violence. Israel owes Palestine NOTHING and thats what theyre going to get.

I don't think Israel will ever do it because they're unrepentant expansionist cunts and it would unfortunately be viewed as rewarding 'terrorism' - I'm just telling you what actions that I would regard as restoring some semblance of justice to that region of the world.

Germany executed jews that is true. Israel drove millions of people from their homes and took their land. I think that deserves reparations. It's what would be the decent thing to do. Oh yeah! Israel isn't a decent country, I forgot. Israel owes Palestine a country.

PS This is all off-topic.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-07-15 18:11:58)

KuSTaV wrote:

B) Israeli land was actually Palestine, untill the aftermath of WWII

Little do you know about history.  Do you know who made Jerusalem what is today?  That is right David the second (third historically) king of Israel.  He chose to move his government to Jerusalem, where Israel then used it as it's capital city until the Babylonians (now Iraq) attacked and took over the city.  The Jews would return to their land after the Persians defeated the people of Babylon.  There the Jews lived until they were defeated by the Greeks, then the Romans.  Around 70 AD when the Romans basically destroyed the nation of Israel for their upraising, the Palestinians have occupied land that was part of the nation of Israel since.  So Israel was just going back to claim what was theirs.

@ the original post, according to CNN, Hezbollah does have some political power in Lebanon.  Also, Lebanese government does nothing to stop this political group from attacking Israel.  This is as if the Green Party in the US attacks Canada.  Canada would hold the US government responsible for the attacks, and would attack the whole US not just the Green Party.

@ the person who said Israel is just wanting land, during the 6 Day War, Israel basically took all of the land on it's borders (and tripled it's size), but during the treaty they gave them back, like Sinai to Egypt, and Golan Heights to Syria.  Also, how quick you are to forget that the Gaza Strip was given to Palestine earlier this year.  Palestine stated that they would stop terrorist attacks if this occurred.  The attacks stop for a short time after that, but not that long.  I have even read that even after Gaza was given to the Palestinians, that their leader stated that there will be no peace until Israel is pushed into the sea.

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

What israel did was very bad and wrong... what they should have done was to cooperate w/ local lebanese police/ military and track down the terrosists and put a bullet in their head.

Ninja, as I stated earlier in this post, the Lebanese government does nothing to stop the Hezbollah.  This type of issue occurred in the past, and the Lebanese government did not do anything then. 


IMO, Israel is getting upset on how they are being treated.  They have meet some of the "requirements" that came up during the "Peace Talks" held at Camp David in the 1990's.  Israel is at least making an effort, but they are getting a bad rep from them defending themselves.  Soon, and probably very soon, Israel is going to have to show the Middle East how strong they are, just like they did in the Six Day War.  Maybe more Middle East countries should follow Egypt this time.

Last edited by dubbs (2006-07-15 18:45:03)

CameronPoe wrote:

I don't think Israel will ever do it because they're unrepentant expansionist cunts

Unrepentant ? yep ..exspansionist cunts eh ? nah.. I'm sure youre aware of them evacuating settlements in the west bank and gaza. How exactly can you be exspansionist while losing land? Of course thier reward for conceding land was some fresh rocket attacks. The Palestinians will never stop thier attack till every Jews is dead or have left Israel to them so dealing with them is not possible. They are incapable of dealing in a civil manner so Israel is currently dealing with them in a manner they understand.

And Israel cannot work with Lebanon to deal with Hezbollah becuase they are intertwined and seeks some of  the same goals. Hezbollah holds 28 seats in the Lebanese parliament so they would hardly oppose theselves.

Any government that harbors terrorism is the enemy, and should be delt with in a corresponding manner.

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I don't think Israel will ever do it because they're unrepentant expansionist cunts

Unrepentant ? yep ..exspansionist cunts eh ? nah.. I'm sure youre aware of them evacuating settlements in the west bank and gaza. How exactly can you be exspansionist while losing land? Of course thier reward for conceding land was some fresh rocket attacks. The Palestinians will never stop thier attack till every Jews is dead or have left Israel to them so dealing with them is not possible. They are incapable of dealing in a civil manner so Israel is currently dealing with them in a manner they understand.

And Israel cannot work with Lebanon to deal with Hezbollah becuase they are intertwined and seeks some of  the same goals. Hezbollah holds 28 seats in the Lebanese parliament so they would hardly oppose theselves.

I think Ariel Sharon's comments that the West Bank settlements of Ariel and Ma'ale Adumim would be eternally inseperable parts of the state of Israel, not to mention East Jerusalem, would make Israel expansionist. They also happen to occupy the Golan Heights - Syrian territory - and are settling that as we speak. Also - try taking a look at the wall they are building - INSIDE the West Bank - effectively annexing another large chunk of Palestinian land.



I think the Oslo accords and Camp David peace agreements show that the Palestinians have been capable of civil negotiations in the past which would suggest theycould again in the future at some point. You seem to be viewing the Palestinians through some warped stereotyping prism. Arabs are human being just like you and me. They're actually very well informed on global affairs and more secular than most other arabs (the ones I met when I was there anyway).

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Volatile_Squirrel wrote:

Any government that harbors terrorism is the enemy, and should be delt with in a corresponding manner.

I couldn't agree more

CameronPoe wrote:

Volatile_Squirrel wrote:

Any government that harbors terrorism is the enemy, and should be delt with in a corresponding manner.

Wasn't Timothy McVeigh from America? Bomb USA to make sure there aren't any more terrorists there, eh?

We also gave Timothy the electric chair.  Another point is that Timothy was in a ring of two people, and was trained by other terrorist in the Pacific islands.  We would also have to attack Ireland/United Kingdom because of the PIRA


Squirrel should have better stated his statement by saying:

Any government that harbors terrorism, and does not take a stand to destory their networks, is the enemy, and should be delt with in a corresponding manner.

Last edited by dubbs (2006-07-15 19:25:25)

The land and Jerusalem belongs to the Isrealites(Jews). God gave it to them. The Arabs should go back to thier own countries, where they were before the Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem. There were some scatterd tribes in the land before God led his people there, but the Isrealites with God's awesome power defeated them.

CameronPoe you nor any other athiest can convince me otherwise so don't waste your time. I'm sure you think I am an idiot...and rest assured I think the same of you when it comes to this topic. Otherwise in the ways of the world and buisness you seem very intelligent.

Do I think Isreal is being heavyhanded? tough guestion to answer...but what else can they do faced with an enemy that seeks there total destruction. No matter if they did the things you suggested. The muslim extremeist would still seek to kill them all and they would be in even a weaker position to defend themselves.

TeamZephyr wrote:

Sgt.Zubie wrote:

The land and Jerusalem belongs to the Isrealites(Jews). God gave it to them. The Arabs should go back to thier own countries, where they were before the Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem. There were some scatterd tribes in the land before God led his people there, but the Isrealites with God's awesome power defeated them.

Yeah? Well i talked to God the other day and he told me that I was entitled to half of Australia.

This is the 21st century, saying that "we deserve this land because god said so" doesn't stick anymore, its time to move on from unwavering religious belieft and learn about co-existance. And saying that Palestine and Israel should go back to how it was 2000 years ago is utterly ridiculous.

I told you don't waste your time mate...God's way is always relevant. We will have to agree to disagree on this.

Sgt.Zubie wrote:

The land and Jerusalem belongs to the Isrealites(Jews). God gave it to them. The Arabs should go back to thier own countries, where they were before the Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem. There were some scatterd tribes in the land before God led his people there, but the Isrealites with God's awesome power defeated them.

CameronPoe you nor any other athiest can convince me otherwise so don't waste your time. I'm sure you think I am an idiot...and rest assured I think the same of you when it comes to this topic. Otherwise in the ways of the world and buisness you seem very intelligent.

Do I think Isreal is being heavyhanded? tough guestion to answer...but what else can they do faced with an enemy that seeks there total destruction. No matter if they did the things you suggested. The muslim extremeist would still seek to kill them all and they would be in even a weaker position to defend themselves.

actually the israelites defeated the philistines during the exodus from egypt.  the philistines were there before......

im pro-israeli

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-07-15 22:35:28)