BF2S Forums Gay marriage?

I am an atheist but I was raised as a catholic and was very religious up until the age of about 14 at which point I rejected the notion of a higher being altogether.

I think that civil unions should be allowed. A civil union is just a legal agreement guaranteeing certain rights for and enforcing certain laws on a pair of human beings. I don't see what the big deal is as regards whether the two partners are of the same sex or not.

With respect to religion however my view differs. Why should a religion change to suit a particular segment of society? If a religion was to continually alter then it would lose its status as a rock someone can depend on. The whole basis of christianity is the infallible truth, etc. of the preachings of christ and other such biblical characters. The bible pointedly remarks on homosexuality as being depraved. That is regrettable for gays but they just have to live with that. It is why the bible is flawed - it was written in accordance with the prevailing social norms in existence at the time the scriptures were written and catered for those alive at that time. Noweher in the bible did it say the earth was flat - so the church got away with the change of stance on the earth's 'sphericality' after the whole Galileo Galilei thing. The homosexuality comments are written clear as day in the bible however so I'm afraid the church CANNOT budge. Gays are just going to have to like it or lump it.

heman6666 wrote:

maybe get married but not have a kid. then they only create another gay and he creates another gay and he craetes another gay ond so on. at last they have conquered the world amd kills all woman and only gays are allowed to live. then the human rase is gone AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
i go hang myself now

bullshit.
if two gay men or two lesbian women get married, do they do any harm to any third person? no, they don't so let 
them get married. what about kids without parents, do you think it is better that they get not adopted or by a homosexual couple? you don't become a gay, only because you hang around with gays. you are born gay or not, 
but every single human is created by the lord. so do you think he might love someone more than any other?
sry for bad spelling.

Last edited by GermanLegionaire (2006-07-14 08:22:44)

GermanLegionaire wrote:

heman6666 wrote:

maybe get married but not have a kid. then they only create another gay and he creates another gay and he craetes another gay ond so on. at last they have conquered the world amd kills all woman and only gays are allowed to live. then the human rase is gone AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
i go hang myself now

bullshit.
if two gay men or two lesbian women get married, do they do any harm to any third person? no, they don't so let 
them get married. what about kids without parents, do you think it is better that they get not adopted or by a homosexual couple? you don't become a gay, only because you hang around with gays. you are born gay or not, 
but every single human is created by the lord. so do you think he might love someone more than any other?
sry for bad spelling.

it IS a choice, so if you are raised by fags or dykes you might think it is normal. therefore doing harm to a third party. You bring up your "lord" which is amusing, your "lord" does not like homosexuality, so yes he does love some more than others, or else there would be no "hell".

-=CB=-krazykarl wrote:

Battlefield2Player wrote:

Negative!

Marriage is between a man and a woman.

yes

agreed G-A-Y marriage of any kind should never ever be allowed if i can mmary another man then i might just aswell marry my dog WTF that is FKN Nasty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marconius wrote:

Alright, I think this has been covered before, but anyways:

"Gay Marriage" is NOT an issue to be taken up with the government/legislation.  "Marriage" is an act of faith carried out in a church.  If gays want to get Married, then they really need to bring it up with their church and parish.  In fact, legislation alone on Marriage = the union between a Man and a Woman can be called up on grounds that it is a law establishing a basis of religious views.

The real issue is the fact that a "Married" couple isn't equal to a Civil Union in the eyes of the State.  A minority of this country is trying to become equal in relationship status.  All of the politicians are just trying to throw in the religious fervor since there is more of a religious sway in this country.

I believe that the 'Marriage is between a Man and a Woman' laws and State recognition of it being so should be removed from state legislature.  This will allow the State to recognize that Civil Unions and Marriages are equal (Marriages are just civil unions with a religious blessing), and thus will give both methods of union equal rights under state law.

11th sign of the Apocalypse:

"And it shall come to pass that Erkadocius had agreeth with Marconium on an issue. And on that day, the seals were broken..."

someone asked about what a civil union was, (and all the other names for it), i don't think its been explained, and wanted to try and cover it.  I am not 100% on all the technicalities, or how it is different in other countries, but here goes.
The idea is it deals with the rights of the 'next of kin' in leagal issues, in medical issues and after a death.
For instance a living partner from a same sex couple might not be entitled to inheritance.  Or would not be informed by the authorities if their partner was taken to hospital.  Or not be able to make decisions for them if they were in a coma.  the sort of stuff that is covered by a marriage.
However this is often the case with unmarried mixed sex couples as well. Though many places have a 'common law' marriage, eg, if you live with someone for a time you start to be considered as a couple in the eyes of the law.  Not certain on exactly what this covers.

So the ability for a civil union is of benefit to all 'couples'. as it allows them to be legally covered but without the religious blessing bit.

I think that any two people who want to give each other the legal rights over each other should be able to, but this must include all combinations of couples.
Christian 'Marriage' is not available to same sex couples, as it is not part of the religion.  Unfortunately, if you are a homosexual then you cant be married by the Church. (This was talked about above above.)

Last edited by Use0fWeapons (2006-07-14 09:37:45)

GermanLegionaire wrote:

heman6666 wrote:

maybe get married but not have a kid. then they only create another gay and he creates another gay and he craetes another gay ond so on. at last they have conquered the world amd kills all woman and only gays are allowed to live. then the human rase is gone AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
i go hang myself now

bullshit.
if two gay men or two lesbian women get married, do they do any harm to any third person? no, they don't so let 
them get married. what about kids without parents, do you think it is better that they get not adopted or by a homosexual couple? you don't become a gay, only because you hang around with gays. you are born gay or not, 
but every single human is created by the lord. so do you think he might love someone more than any other?
sry for bad spelling.

If I have to see it with my own eyes they are harming a third party, I am not religous but I know for a fact that the "lord" does not approve of gays it says it in the bible, humans are not designed for that we are all designed to be a man and woman couple, I have know people that are gay and some of them are cool but I dont approve of it at all it is not right.  It is all over TV, movies, media, ect. and that is not cool if my kids even have the chance of seeing that shit or being exposed to it in any way realy bothers me, so again it is harming a third party, if you want to be gay you should do it in your own home with the windows shut, and keep it out of public view.

Last edited by Ether151 (2006-07-14 09:54:52)

I can't possibly answer this question, since gay marriage is legal here.

what is the only thing that makes a marriage legal?  Going to the courthouse.  As the US was founded on a seperation of church and state, this solidifies that marriage is a LEGAL institution.  There is a religious ceremony that frequently accompanies it, but that means nothing insofar as the marriage itself is concerned from a position of the state.  You want to keep them out of the church?  That's fine, it's your church do be as judgemental and hypocritical as you please.  Marriage as a legal institution should be blind to any such notion as homosexuality.

Seriously, who the fuck cares?

For all of you that don't have kids I can understand you supporting gay marriage. But how do I explain to my 6 yr old son why his friend from school has two dads and no mother. Kinda hard to explain and personally I don't want to. Not only that, but think about how hard it would be on a child to grow up with two same sex parrents. The child would be teased in school, religious assholes would be a huge problem and it would make having a childhood difficult and not the fun time it is supposed to be. Just my thoughts.

SFCCDailey wrote:

For all of you that don't have kids I can understand you supporting gay marriage. But how do I explain to my 6 yr old son why his friend from school has two dads and no mother. Kinda hard to explain and personally I don't want to. Not only that, but think about how hard it would be on a child to grow up with two same sex parrents. The child would be teased in school, religious assholes would be a huge problem and it would make having a childhood difficult and not the fun time it is supposed to be. Just my thoughts.

This is exactly what's wrong with this country.  It's hard to explain, and I don't want to have to do it.  There are a lot of things in life that are hard to explain, that's just life.  You are not doing your kids any service by not wanting to explain something because it's "tough".

puckmercury wrote:

what is the only thing that makes a marriage legal?  Going to the courthouse.  As the US was founded on a seperation of church and state, this solidifies that marriage is a LEGAL institution.  There is a religious ceremony that frequently accompanies it, but that means nothing insofar as the marriage itself is concerned from a position of the state.  You want to keep them out of the church?  That's fine, it's your church do be as judgemental and hypocritical as you please.  Marriage as a legal institution should be blind to any such notion as homosexuality.

Second that. We are talking about church and state here. In terms of legality and all benefits that come with it through the state, same-sex marriage should be given all the same rights. If the church where the ceremony is held does not want to host it, that is their perogative. But legal rights should equal ALL partnerships. This is not a debate about whether or not homosexuality is 'ok' or not