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CameronPoe wrote:

Lisik wrote:

We got anought off this shit! We want bomb them, and we will bomb them! And we dont fucking care about  theyr childrens, like they dont care about ours! Sinice yestarday we dont want PEACE with arabs!

Aha - Someone actually from Israel confirming that the Israelis are EQUALLY as bad as arab militants. QED

Call us bad, but we got anought of arabian shit, and all stories about peace! U whana stop us? Come the fucking here and stop us!

HM1{N} wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Suicide bombing is a particularly scary phenomenon I agree. Not all suicide bombings are driven by religion however (although the majority probably are). This thread is about disproportionate force, inappropriate retaliation and collective punishment though and not about the nature of the suicide bomber.

Agreed

it's homicide bombing, if it was suicide they wouldn't try to take out anyone else

I've seen enough of the militant arabs. It's time we all joined together and rid our world of this virus. They have no rules or morals. They will not listen to reason. They start this shit every time. Israel has given them every chance to come to a mutual agreement and they still act like Neanderthals. The only way is to kill them. If they could, they would kill us all so why would it be wrong to kill them first? I say Jihad back on their asses if that's what they really want. What fucking idiots.

I'm sick of the pussies who think we should all just hold hands and pray that they stop. It aint gonna work man. Open your eyes.

King_County_Downy wrote:

I'm sick of the pussies who think we should all just hold hands and pray that they stop. It aint gonna work man. Open your eyes.

As a die-hard atheist I won't be praying for anything. I just don't think trashing a country is going to achieve anything. There are other options - military ones too if that's what you'd prefer.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-07-13 11:04:30)

M1-Lightning wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I can't believe the insidious generalisations and Nazi-era-esque comments on this forum. Have we been teleported back to 1933?

'It's time we all joined together and rid our world of this virus'

'I keep trying to tell myself that not all muslims and/or arabs are bad, but it's hard..'

'We want bomb them, and we will bomb them! And we dont fucking care about  theyr childrens'

'The only way is to kill them.'

I'm sure Gunslinger can attest to the fact that all arabs are not inherently evil.

Maybe it's your assumption of genralizations. It appears to me that everyone here is talking about Hamas, Jihad, Militants, Terrorist, the Governments... You want to talk about Nazis...who hated the jews then and who hates them now? Who sits on these message boards day in and out bitching about Jews and Israel?

PS This is a discussion forum. You guys get to trash arabs all day and what? You don't want the opposite argument to be presented? Count without counterpoint. If that is the kind of forum you want then fine - have a laugh licking each other asses all day.

King_County_Downy wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

I'm sick of the pussies who think we should all just hold hands and pray that they stop. It aint gonna work man. Open your eyes.

As I die-hard atheist I won"t be praying for anything. I just don't think trashing a country is going to achieve anything. There are other options - military ones too if that's what you'd prefer.

First off, yes, I am speaking about the Militant arabs who want to kill anyone that does not believe in their god, which includes you. My point is: They would slowly saw your head off with a dull knife if they ever got ahold of you, regardless of your political views. They would rape your mother and deficate on your sister and then kill them in front of you. And you somehow feel compassion for them? I just think I'm more of a realist than most. It is a nasty and unforgiving world out there and it truely is kill or be killed. If they had it their way, we would all be dead. Why should we sit and wait for it to happen? I'm sick of being reactive and not proactive in this shit. We play by the rules (to an extent) and they make up their own which are hypocritical and they still get sympothy somehow. I just don't get it. Fuck them all.

You misunderstand me. I don't feel sorry for the militants. If you are in a war - expect relatiation - they should know and expect that. They won't get any sympathy from me on that count. I won't show compassion for them, especially when they use underhand tactics like shelling villages. What I do feel compassion for are the innocent people of Lebanon who are being collectively punished for the acts of an organisation that is Syrian/Iranian run.

M1-Lightning wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

M1-Lightning wrote:

Maybe it's your assumption of genralizations. It appears to me that everyone here is talking about Hamas, Jihad, Militants, Terrorist, the Governments... You want to talk about Nazis...who hated the jews then and who hates them now? Who sits on these message boards day in and out bitching about Jews and Israel?

PS This is a discussion forum. You guys get to trash arabs all day and what? You don't want the opposite argument to be presented? Count without counterpoint. If that is the kind of forum you want then fine - have a laugh licking each other asses all day.

Again: your quote "I can't believe the insidious generalisations and Nazi-era-esque comments on this forum." You're complaining about other peep's posts...sooooo I complained about yours. Have nice day

Point taken.

CameronPoe wrote:

What I do feel compassion for are the innocent people of Lebanon who are being collectively punished for the acts of an organisation that is Syrian/Iranian run.

Then maybe you should have made a post bitching about the Lebonese government for not conrtolling them. I believe someone here mentioned our FBI controlling factions within our own borders is what Lebanon is failing at here. Say the FBI stops arresting the KKK for their crimes and the KKK starts traveling into Mexico to slaughter their people. Wouldn't Mexico view that as an act of war from the US?

There has been quite movement between Israel and many muslim nations in terms of peace. But when a government refuses to crack down on militant factions it's much in the same as allowing their actions and destoys any steps towards peace that have been taken.

Last edited by M1-Lightning (2006-07-13 11:28:17)

CameronPoe wrote:

Situation:

In Lebanon there has been heavy fighting with Hexbollah in which Israel have suffered their worst losses on the border with Lebanon for several years. Eight Israeli troops died and two were injured in the clashes, during which Hezbollah fighters captured the two soldiers. Hezbollah guerrillas also fired volleys of rockets at the northern Israeli coastal town of Nahariya, killing one Israeli woman.

Israeli Response: [Please bear in mind that Hezbollah do not represent the people of Lebanon or the government of Lebanon]

1) Wide-ranging Israeli air raids on southern Lebanon leave 27 dead, including 10 children.
2) Israeli ships have entered Lebanese water to block ports.
3) Lebanon's only international airport is closed after Israeli air strikes on the runways.
4) Bridges and roads have also been targeted, circa 40 targets in total.

Israel have a history of responding like this. For me this is disgraceful. If a group of my fellow countrymen decided they were going to go and shoot a few Israeli soldiers I would be more than a little irate if Dublin airport and the M50 were destroyed and scores of Irish civilians lay injured. Where do the Israelis get off doing shit like this? Sanction Israel NOW. US citizens - wake up smell the coffee - $80bn of military and financial aid every year: why? What is the benefit to the US taxpayer?

I am sick and tired of the No. 1 problem in the middle east: state terrorists, Israel.

Why didn't the Lebanese Army go in and raid the Hezbollah terrorists before Israel got the chance?

Aren't the terrorists breaking any Lebanese laws by provoking war and killing or causing the death of innocents?

Why don't the Lebanese patrol their own common borders with Israel to prevent terrorists from attacking their neighbor? 

Your argument about Proportional Response must have more to do than with forces alone. It needs to take into account the cultures of Middle Eastern peoples regarding what is "strength" and what is "weakness" which apply as well as many other points. My guess is if the Hezbollah rocketeers could have killed 100 or a 1000 they would have.

Let's make an analogy: What if Mexico allowed smugglers or any other anti-US group to fire rockets at the National Guard for 20 years and killed some citizens or even members of that volunteer group "Minutemen" what would the US response be? Insert any country in each case and the answer is the same. If you have the means you will take action to punish and prevent future events.

We must call for the Lebanese government to take action ensuring the safety of people on both side of the border.

Let's be careful out there

A few facts -
Lebanon has its own religious war that it has been fighting for a while now, complete with terrorists (Christianity vs. Muslims) on both sides

AIPAC (American Israeli Public Affairs Committee) is one of the top lobbying groups in the US

Israel was not a state in 1947.  Like Cameron said, Israel claimed they were a sovereign country, no one agreed, Arabs attacked, Israel won, the rest of the world recognized it.

Someone wrote in a post earlier that the Arabs hate Israel because they support the U.S.  Get your facts straight- Arabs hate the U.S. because we support Israel.

It is true that a large amount of Arabs would like to see Israel cease to exist.  However, this is hardly the majority consensus in the region.  Just like there is not a majority of Israelis that would like to see genocide of Arabs.  The media only shows the general public stories that sell, incendiary stories and fear journalism.  That is one of the problems with the media inside the U.S.  I am not quite sure of the reasons (one may be AIPAC), but our media and government is decidedly pro-Israel.  Because of this we constantly are exposed to stories of "suicide" bombers and Arab atrocities.  I am not saying that these things don't occur, but it goes both ways.  As Cameron has pointed out, there is a difference between state-terrorism and the terrorism we (westerners) are familiar with.  He is simply pointing out that the Israeli government is carrying out acts of terrorism.  Everyone agrees terrorism is bad, right?  Nowhere did he condone terrorism or the idea of retaliation in his posts.  We condemn terrorism across the board, regardless of who our allies are.  Why do we continue to prop up the state of Israel?

Terrorists came into the U.S. through Canada.  Does that mean Canada supports terrorism?  There are two factions in Hezbollah-Militant terrorists, and politicians.  The two act independently of each other.  The politicians that affiliate themselves with Hezbollah's political wing have no control over the militant side, unlike the IRA and PIRA.  I think a better question is why do these politicians affiliate themselves with a group like Hezbollah?  Why are these type of groups (Hezbollah and Hamas to name a few) winning elections?

Fighting terrorism with terrorism is not going to accomplish anything.  What we as a global community must do is take away their motivation to turn to terrorism.  Like I have said before, what would it take for you to strap a bomb on yourself and go somewhere and blow yourself up?  These people are desperate, willing to do anything.  Part of the problem is the extreme religious leaders, agreed.  However, what do these people have to lose?  Israel has shown no regard for Arab life in the region, so they (Arab terrorists) do anything and everything in their power to show the same disregard.  Is this right?  By no means, but we must recognize why this is happening in order to right it.

Go to the Middle East before you say that all Israelis or all Arabs hate each other.  What you will find is two groups of people that want badly to coexist, but minority factions are perpetuating the hatred and bloodshed.  On BOTH sides.  Seriously, go to the Middle East, a great land, and see firsthand the love that Arabs and Israelis have for each other.  The U.S. media just plays into the "they hate each other and always have" mentality to make money, there could be nothing farther from the truth.

I agree with what another poster said earlier, in that we need a MLK Jr. or Gandhi out of the region.

As MLK Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

EDIT:  Lets not forgot also who has the only nuclear capabilities in that region.  Israel, a state that carries out acts of terrorism, has nuclear weapons.  Can they be trusted?

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-07-13 11:38:42)

heman6666 wrote:

nuke the israelis they they are the invaders.

We nuke the Israelis and then WW3 starts. Now that Korea fired that ICBM if we go shooting a nuke, some1 is gonna tele Korea and we get nuked. Then some1 else shoots off a nuke and then its tag team from there. Not a good idea........