twz_stryker
Member
+4|6742|San Antonio, TX

Major Payne wrote:

twz_stryker  wrote:

But we are always the big brother that comes in and rescues everyones ass when they need it and they (meaning europe) always come to the US for monitary and military help in the end. The US will always live a double edged dagger life, damned if we do and damned if we don't.
we dont have trouble whit Irak or N Korea in my point of vieuw amarica forsed us to help amarica in irak or else bush will attack us to for ehhmm  screwing him
Lets be honest here, the Netherlands really aren't anyone to be scared of or be taken as a threat in this world from anyone but maybe thier nieghbors. And where do you get that the US will attack you if you dont assist us? I was aware we petitioned the UN to assist us but I never heard of President Bush calling up the Netherlands and demanding assistance or we will bomb you?

And please use proper grammer, I know we all aren't english majors here and we all make mistakes, but I am having a hard time to trying to decide just exactly what you are saying.

Last edited by twz_stryker (2006-07-10 12:40:59)

Major Payne
Member
+18|7021|Netherlands

darknova wrote:

Wow, dude, you got the best spelling/typing skills ever.
aint easy when it aint your motherlanguage and the check spelling gives an error i have to learn 4 languages that aint easy

Last edited by Major Payne (2006-07-10 12:36:17)

kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6790|Southeastern USA
The sad thing is that Payne provides more compelling arguments in broken english than most of us with proper grammar.

On topic, I love how the same people that critiscise Bush for being a hard-ass to Saddam who made threats against the US on a daily basis are now saying he's too soft on Lil Kim for trying diplomacy first (which, btw, was also tried for over a decade with Iraq
Colfax
PR Only
+70|6885|United States - Illinois

Nyte wrote:

If US couldn't defeat the commies in the Korean War, the commies in the Viet Nam War, the commies in Kosovo... what makes you think they can beat North Korea?

According to Wikipedia, US has only really "won" 2 wars. WWI and WWII (I'm not referring to "independence wars").

Even France has won more wars than the US... and that's saying something.
Technology has advanced quite a bit since korea and vietnam. 

Also United States has gone from not existing to the largest military power in the world in less then 200 years.
with your example of France.  They've been around for what 1,000+ plus years and are what now?

Last edited by Colfax (2006-07-10 12:45:47)

cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6937|NJ

kr@cker wrote:

The sad thing is that Payne provides more compelling arguments in broken english than most of us with proper grammar.

On topic, I love how the same people that critiscise Bush for being a hard-ass to Saddam who made threats against the US on a daily basis are now saying he's too soft on Lil Kim for trying diplomacy first (which, btw, was also tried for over a decade with Iraq
I belive you are talking to me on this one. I critiscise bush for being a hard-ass on Saddam because he caused no real threat. During the time that the Iraq war started N. Korea started making threats against us, and in my opion North Korea has always been a bigger threat to the U.S. then any middle eastern country.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6790|Southeastern USA
actually I meant dark nova "Wow, dude, you got the best spelling/typing skills ever." and was just reading Payne's comments on some other threads, I disagree that the Netherlands were forced to do anything and find it somewhat worrying that someone over there is telling him that the US would attack the Neth just for sitting out.
Major Payne
Member
+18|7021|Netherlands
no i don't really mean forced sorry i said it that way but ma-by we were afraid that they wont help us or something I'm sure we were afraid for something between our two country's sorry for saying it like that

Last edited by Major Payne (2006-07-11 00:39:21)

GATOR591957
Member
+84|6868

kr@cker wrote:

The sad thing is that Payne provides more compelling arguments in broken english than most of us with proper grammar.

On topic, I love how the same people that critiscise Bush for being a hard-ass to Saddam who made threats against the US on a daily basis are now saying he's too soft on Lil Kim for trying diplomacy first (which, btw, was also tried for over a decade with Iraq
Let's be honest here.  The only reason Bush is not using "Cowboy Diplomacy" is we are stretched too far out as it is, and he either knows or is being told we are not capable of fighting on so many fronts at one time.  We also can't afford it right now.  He's got us too deep in debt as it is.

Last edited by GATOR591957 (2006-07-10 13:05:43)

JaMDuDe
Member
+69|7018

Nyte wrote:

If US couldn't defeat the commies in the Korean War, the commies in the Viet Nam War, the commies in Kosovo... what makes you think they can beat North Korea?

According to Wikipedia, US has only really "won" 2 wars. WWI and WWII (I'm not referring to "independence wars").

Even France has won more wars than the US... and that's saying something.
America could destroy most of NKs army in a matter of hours as i said before. I think the france thing is a joke but we have won more than 2 wars.
alpinestar
Member
+304|6837|New York City baby.

JaMDuDe wrote:

Nyte wrote:

If US couldn't defeat the commies in the Korean War, the commies in the Viet Nam War, the commies in Kosovo... what makes you think they can beat North Korea?

According to Wikipedia, US has only really "won" 2 wars. WWI and WWII (I'm not referring to "independence wars").

Even France has won more wars than the US... and that's saying something.
America could destroy most of NKs army in a matter of hours as i said before. I think the france thing is a joke but we have won more than 2 wars.
Soviet Mario can drop america in a matter of hours too...
Sh1fty2k5
MacSwedish
+113|6951|Sweden
HAHHA major payne i luv u so much.

China japan whatever.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7078

GATOR591957 wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

The sad thing is that Payne provides more compelling arguments in broken english than most of us with proper grammar.

On topic, I love how the same people that critiscise Bush for being a hard-ass to Saddam who made threats against the US on a daily basis are now saying he's too soft on Lil Kim for trying diplomacy first (which, btw, was also tried for over a decade with Iraq
Let's be honest here.  The only reason Bush is not using "Cowboy Diplomacy" is we are stretched too far out as it is, and he either knows or is being told we are not capable of fighting on so many fronts at one time.  We also can't afford it right now.  He's got us too deep in debt as it is.
How do you define " Cowboy Diplomacy " who coined the term this for this decade and where do you see it employed ?

I haven't heard it since Ronald Reagan was President and even then, Like the term " Reagenomics "
they stopped using it when all his policies bore fruit and proved sound.

Then Reaganomics became " the Recovery "

Also how did you come to this opinion. How many fronts do you believe The Coalition fighting on? Do you get to see the same satellite imagery that The intelligence services do for instance?
buttered noodle
Member
+16|6887|ohio

DarkNova wrote:

Major Payne wrote:

f u man your so affended that you begin to shout if i say kamikaze you all know what i mean china or japan whats the difference and i aint 10, 11 or 12 and my school niveau sais that i aint a morron so stfu stuppid noob
Wow, dude, you got the best spelling/typing skills ever.
first you cant type, second you dont know history for shit so i was lead to believe you didnt know what you were talking about anyways, moron is spelled moron not morron, yes i did know what you meant, but you couldnt even identify the correct nation much less any of the reasoning behind how everything went down. For the Japanese i feel confident in saying that what they did was for their own pride and honor, not young men who volunteer to strap themselves full of explosives, killing CIVILLIANS INTENTIONALLY, so that their families receive money as well as part of their religion. Two more things, in additon to your spelling skills i love your grammer, but seeing as you are from the netherlands I will give you one on the grammar but not on the horrible spelling, secondly, so how old are you, have you reached the tender age of 13 possibly?
buttered noodle
Member
+16|6887|ohio

JaMDuDe wrote:

Nyte wrote:

If US couldn't defeat the commies in the Korean War, the commies in the Viet Nam War, the commies in Kosovo... what makes you think they can beat North Korea?

According to Wikipedia, US has only really "won" 2 wars. WWI and WWII (I'm not referring to "independence wars").

Even France has won more wars than the US... and that's saying something.
America could destroy most of NKs army in a matter of hours as i said before. I think the france thing is a joke but we have won more than 2 wars.
yes we could crush them in a matter of hours, but i think we'd be hesitant to turn the middle east into a nuclear parking lot
{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|6819|Florida

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Do you think North Korea would have fired the test rockets if the U.S. was more of a threat?
wait....NK DID fire test rockets.  One of which "supposedly" would have landed near Hawaii had it not malfunctioned.  But when I hear the media say "near" I think of somewhere in the range of 500 miles or more lol.
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6801
You cant approach Iraq and NKorea the same. To be a cowboy in Iraq is semi-OK because they cant really hurt us back. NKorea can hurt us back(Invading the South, Supplying a nuke to someone or using it on allies).For that reason we are more cautious with Korea. Of course the Us could nuke everyone and be done with it, we would get nuked too but we have resources to rebuild.
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6801
Previous post by me in response to this.

GATOR591957 wrote:

Let's be honest here.  The only reason Bush is not using "Cowboy Diplomacy" is we are stretched too far out as it is, and he either knows or is being told we are not capable of fighting on so many fronts at one time.  We also can't afford it right now.  He's got us too deep in debt as it is.
twz_stryker
Member
+4|6742|San Antonio, TX

{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Do you think North Korea would have fired the test rockets if the U.S. was more of a threat?
wait....NK DID fire test rockets.  One of which "supposedly" would have landed near Hawaii had it not malfunctioned.  But when I hear the media say "near" I think of somewhere in the range of 500 miles or more lol.
I agree, the media has a tendacy to play on things to get higher ratings, which is sad most of the time cause you never really know what is truth and what is fiction created by the mass media.

For a good example, many military friends who have served 1 - 2 terms in Iraq have all agreed how well pleased the Iraqi (sp?) people are to have us there and thank them just about everyday. However the media doesn't represent that and shows them burning flags instead and ranting on how we destroyed thier lives. I just have to shake my head at that. Sort of like how anyone would do anything to just get on tv here in the states.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6937|NJ
While you might be right on the media playing bias thing, that does work both ways definatly in the way of our government. It's called propaganda and is something used to gain support. Now the reason I'm saying that North Korea is trying to pull us into a conflict is because they have support from other countries as well. IF we tried to invade Korea don't you think China would back them up?
Sandskink
Member
+19|6868|In your moms BUSHland

Major Payne wrote:

sankick wrote:

But yet your name refers to a ficticious American Marine that enjoys killing in the movie.  Do you like the U.S. or hate it.  Make up your mind.  Ohhh wait you did back in WWII.  You let us fight for your country to keep it from being called Naziland.
f u i aint a nazi

so england fight for my country to ass and you only fought against German because you were afraid and they attacked your fleet you focking used europe after the war whit your loans and everything after that you've fought against russia in our countrys so you all had a huge bufferzone called Europe

o btw because of germany we got highways you walked on the moon you got nuclair weapons
???? Where do i begin...
1.  Russia was  our ally in WWII.
2.  German U boats were attacking anyship that did not have a swaztica on it.
3.  Yes we helped rebuild Europe and sent Economist over to Japan after the the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to help them get back on thier feet.
4.  Are you really Da Ali G?
5. Fuck you too.  Where in my statement did I call you a Nazi?
6.  Are you saying while walking on the moon we found "nuclair" weapons?
7.  I'm glad you have highways...We have pie!
8.  I like Netherland bush...It's like eating an Eskimo pie.

Last edited by Sandskink (2006-07-11 00:44:24)

Major Payne
Member
+18|7021|Netherlands
then we start a WW III (probably a nuclear war)

example

kinda weird and some download time but you should watch

Last edited by Major Payne (2006-07-11 00:43:37)

Nomer
Member
+10|6940|North of Boston
1.  To sandskink and major payne- the US got highways after WWII too, Ike really liked the autobahn system and he used it as the basis for our interstate highway system.
2.  The US woudl be wise to not go anywhere near NK, especially if it isn't a real UN approved EU-backed actual humanitarian campaign to remove a dictator.  We will certainly not use nukes, because a. it is stupid and b. I don't care how prevailing the westerlies are that shit blows around and China ain't gonna be too pleased.  I don't care how bad the US can "pwn" NK, it ain't gonna happen, they don't have much oil and if we occupy NK we will piss off China, a country that can threaten us in the future and has a large army/navy/armed forces that isn't a joke, and they certainly weren't too pelased with us the previous times that we messed around in southeast asia, especially in North Korea.
Major Payne
Member
+18|7021|Netherlands
Nomer Us had highways because they stole the idea from the German's after the WW II don't you pay attention in your history class
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7082|Cologne, Germany

can we get back on topic please ? Who got what out of WWII and whose grand parents freed who 60 years ago is hardly relevant to the current discussion about north korea.

We should rather try to adress the question wether NK is a real threat to the US or not. Some arguments against:

1) They don't have the economy to support a large scale conflict.
2) they don't have the supply capabilities to support troops over a larger distance
3) while their armed forces may be strong in numbers, they lack the technology to compete with the US armed forces in a conventional conflict. The US Air Force would bomb them into oblivion.
4) all they could do would be attack south korea ( again ), and it is unlikely that the UN would let this go unsanctioned
5) their people are starving, a lot of them depend on foreign food programs.

most importantly:
6) Russia and China are the regional superpowers and I bet my ass they wouldn't allow North Korea to pull a stunt right in their back yard. Both were very quiet during the Iraq war, but that would change radically, should a conflict brake out in their region.

Let's face it, NK isn't a threat to the US, not a real one anyway. But the same was true for Iraq, and look were they are at now.

Then again, do I believe the US military / economy would be able to handle conflicts in Iraq, Iran and North Korea ? No, that's just not going to happen.
As has been described here a lot, most people in Iraq were symphathetic towards the Coalition forces, but that would not be the case in Iran or North Korea. You'd have to fight them to the last man to win...

Let them fire up some rockets if they wish, they still cannot win a conflict against you, and they know it.
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6885|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

Major Payne wrote:

are Americans addicted to war or something. why would you begin a war for some test rockets

Jamdude wrote:

If we went to war with North Korea it would be flat in a matter of hours.
you've Americans got a fucking huge ego
it isn't ego Payne, it's us being tired of everyone messing with us.  Here we are minding our own business and our planes are hijacked and 3,000 plus people are killed.

It's just one thing after another, North Korea threatening us with nuclear war is just another cog in the wheel of "what shall we put up with next"?  And just in case you forgot; South Korea and Japan are our allies, we really can't just ignore the situation there...

and, really, if we did go to war with North Korea, it really would be over very quickly.  They don't stand a chance and they know it, the only problem is South Korea would pay the price...Seoul is only about 80 miles from the border I believe.

Last edited by HM1{N} (2006-07-11 04:26:43)

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