lowing
Banned
+1,662|6892|USA
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/07/tunnel.plot/index.html



Nehhhhhh, you left wingers are right, lets not defend our country or racially profile, cuz the last thing I wanna do is hurt someone's fuckin' feelings.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6791|Southeastern USA
their rights were violated by being spy no teh interwebs.


R U $4 seckses butt?
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|6988|The United Center
Racial profiling and defending your country are two entirely different things.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6791|Southeastern USA
If the the terrorists are militant islamists, and islamists are 85% arab, then it's not racial profiling, it's the law of probability.


If you hear the KKKlan is causing a riot, do you stop and question Wesley Snipes?

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-07-07 15:47:43)

chittydog
less busy
+586|7076|Kubra, Damn it!

What the hell kinda racial profiling are we talking about here? He was caught in Lebanon where he blended in with all the other Lebanese.
Skruples
Mod Incarnate
+234|6942
I submit to you that 100% of KKK members are white. Should we start questioning all young white males in relation to KKK related activities?

Profiling is a slippery slope. It's one thing to say 'all of the terrorists have been arab'. Its entirely another thing to say 'all those arabs are potential terrorists'.
notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|6988|The United Center

Skruples wrote:

I submit to you that 100% of KKK members are white. Should we start questioning all young white males in relation to KKK related activities?

Profiling is a slippery slope. It's one thing to say 'all of the terrorists have been arab'. Its entirely another thing to say 'all those arabs are potential terrorists'.
Except that not even all the terrorists have been Arab.  Granted, most have been Middle Eastern, but some of them have been white.  If some of them have been white...and I'm white...am I going to bomb something?
chittydog
less busy
+586|7076|Kubra, Damn it!

I still don't understand where the profiling is in this case.
d3v1ldr1v3r13
Satan's disciple on Earth.
+160|6927|Hell's prison
kinda hard not to racially profile in this case because muslim extremists, and Arabic persons are the primary race of the group we are targeting.  Look maybe we shouldnt racially profile, but there are good Arabic people in the U.S. that think they have to hide and are scared to use the phone, get on the net, much less talk to people.
Skruples
Mod Incarnate
+234|6942
I suspect this thread has less to do with racial profiling and more to do with Lowing's neurotic hatred of the left.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6791|Southeastern USA

Skruples wrote:

I submit to you that 100% of KKK members are white. Should we start questioning all young white males in relation to KKK related activities?
If you live in a town where there is some bad shit being perpetrated by the KKK, go right ahead.

Profiling is a tool, and you are oversimplifying the situation, I'm not going to stop someone for being arab, but they would receive extra attention if they were arab, acting nervous, and wearing a backpack, if I were looking for Islamic extremists.

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-07-07 21:56:08)

Poseidon417
Member
+1|6772
This was a plot from LAST YEAR. Why the FUCK is the media bringing it to us NOW?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6931|Tampa Bay Florida

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

kinda hard not to racially profile in this case because muslim extremists, and Arabic persons are the primary race of the group we are targeting.  Look maybe we shouldnt racially profile, but there are good Arabic people in the U.S. that think they have to hide and are scared to use the phone, get on the net, much less talk to people.
They have good reason to believe that, under the Patriot Act.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6931|Tampa Bay Florida

kr@cker wrote:

Skruples wrote:

I submit to you that 100% of KKK members are white. Should we start questioning all young white males in relation to KKK related activities?
If you live in a town where there is some bad shit being perpetrated by the KKK, go right ahead.

Profiling is a tool, and you are oversimplifying the situation, I'm not going to stop someone for being arab, but they would receive extra attention if they were arab, acting nervous, and wearing a backpack.
Not all terrorists are suivide bombers, and most arabs would be nervous because of the very actions our government is performing.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6791|Southeastern USA
That's funny, the inaction of most arab muslims maks me nervous.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6892|USA

Skruples wrote:

I submit to you that 100% of KKK members are white. Should we start questioning all young white males in relation to KKK related activities?

Profiling is a slippery slope. It's one thing to say 'all of the terrorists have been arab'. Its entirely another thing to say 'all those arabs are potential terrorists'.
Yes, absolutely, if they all of a sudden started sitting in on black church congregations and wore a fucking white hood and a fucking bed sheet!!!



Spearhead wrote:

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

kinda hard not to racially profile in this case because muslim extremists, and Arabic persons are the primary race of the group we are targeting.  Look maybe we shouldnt racially profile, but there are good Arabic people in the U.S. that think they have to hide and are scared to use the phone, get on the net, much less talk to people.
They have good reason to believe that, under the Patriot Act.
Just spitballing here, but is there ANYYYYYY chance whatsoever that because of the patriot act that this plot was foiled? Along with the other plots in NY and California etc.... Any chance at alllll that this just might be the reason they are finding it exceedingly more difficult to follow through with their plans in the US?? Tough shit if yourr feelings are hurt at the security checkpoint at the airport.

Last edited by lowing (2006-07-07 21:51:44)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6803
Because sitting in on black congregations is so much worse than what the KKK actually does?

kr@cker wrote:

I'm not going to stop someone for being arab, but they would receive extra attention if they were arab, acting nervous, and wearing a backpack.
And here's me thinking that anyone wearing a backpack and acting nervous is worthy of extra attention
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6791|Southeastern USA
sorry a few too many margaritas with the friends to get my point out clearly, right there is no easy way to word it, anyone doing that would get noticed, but if I were looking for threats from islamic Jihaadist, I would be more concerned with Arabs, as the basic epithet of Islamic Jihaadism is "white infidel", if a cross was burned in someone's yard, I would not look in Louis Farrakhan's entourage....

there is ample evidence to the fact that most serial killers are middle aged white males, where is your outrage at this type of profiling?

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-07-07 22:06:01)

Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6931|Tampa Bay Florida

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

kinda hard not to racially profile in this case because muslim extremists, and Arabic persons are the primary race of the group we are targeting.  Look maybe we shouldnt racially profile, but there are good Arabic people in the U.S. that think they have to hide and are scared to use the phone, get on the net, much less talk to people.
They have good reason to believe that, under the Patriot Act.
Just spitballing here, but is there ANYYYYYY chance whatsoever that because of the patriot act that this plot was foiled? Along with the other plots in NY and California etc.... Any chance at alllll that this just might be the reason they are finding it exceedingly more difficult to follow through with their plans in the US??
Uh, most terrorists who have been caught have been foreign.  Sure, there's a chance.  But what it does do for sure is scare the shit out of the Arab community, because it's their job to monitor anyone who is under suspicion.  And those people, my friend, are the Arabs. 

It also gives yet another excuse for terrorists to recruit more people.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6892|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

Because sitting in on black congregations is so much worse than what the KKK actually does?

kr@cker wrote:

I'm not going to stop someone for being arab, but they would receive extra attention if they were arab, acting nervous, and wearing a backpack.
And here's me thinking that anyone wearing a backpack and acting nervous is worthy of extra attention
Too stupid to respond to except for this being another classic bubbalo debate tactic.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6892|USA

Spearhead wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:


They have good reason to believe that, under the Patriot Act.
Just spitballing here, but is there ANYYYYYY chance whatsoever that because of the patriot act that this plot was foiled? Along with the other plots in NY and California etc.... Any chance at alllll that this just might be the reason they are finding it exceedingly more difficult to follow through with their plans in the US??
Uh, most terrorists who have been caught have been foreign.  Sure, there's a chance.  But what it does do for sure is scare the shit out of the Arab community, because it's their job to monitor anyone who is under suspicion.  And those people, my friend, are the Arabs. 

It also gives yet another excuse for terrorists to recruit more people.
Ok well if you absolutely refuse to give Bush any credit or positive recognition for the lack of successful islamic terrorist attacks in the US ( not forgetting that you will BLAME him for ANY negative thing that happens in this war). What do you attribute their failures and exposed plots to?
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6916|Canberra, AUS
So why don't we give Clinton, Bush Sr. Reagan, Nixon, and whatever president you want to name credit too? 'Cos the only foreign terrorist attack EVER to occur in the US occured about 4.5 years ago.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6803

lowing wrote:

Too stupid to respond to except for this being another classic bubbalo debate tactic.
You always say this, and to me it reads "Oh crap, that makes sense, quick, better not respond without ignoring it!"
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6892|USA

Spark wrote:

So why don't we give Clinton, Bush Sr. Reagan, Nixon, and whatever president you want to name credit too? 'Cos the only foreign terrorist attack EVER to occur in the US occured about 4.5 years ago.
We have been through this.........the 911 attacks were planned under Clinton's watch, based on our weakened intelligence ( at the hands of Clinton ) were those attacks able to be carried out.

You blame Bush for 911 when really the man JUST took office. Also, the 911 attacks were to be carried out no matter who was in office. Yes, even if Kerry won the election.

You can not blame Bush for this explosion when Clinton is the one who lit the fuse.



The first US attack occurred in '93, not '01. oops



Now, please answer the question in my previous post.



Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Too stupid to respond to except for this being another classic bubbalo debate tactic.
You always say this, and to me it reads "Oh crap, that makes sense, quick, better not respond without ignoring it!"
I always say this because it is always true. You read my post, you know exactly the point I was making. You are the one who refuses to acknowledge or respond to anyone's posts based on the context of it, and what the writer was saying. You will dissect it and piece it out to draw a counter argument that is completely out of line with what was written and spend the next 15 post trying to maneuver that person into saying something YOU want them to say.

You know my post had merit along with all the other people's post you do this shit to. You can not stand toe to toe with someone's argument, you must mold it into something you can work with. I am pretty much sick of it. You respond to my posts directly and take them for face value and stop trying to manipulate them or I will simply give you the same response as above. If you wanna think that it because you have won the debate, so be it.

Last edited by lowing (2006-07-08 04:22:34)

notorious
Nay vee, bay bee.
+1,396|6988|The United Center
This whole argument is absurd.  Saying that the Patriot Act alone is deferring terrorist plots/actions is like saying that the shoes I wear repel tigers.  I don't see any tigers around here, so it must be true.  Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your view) no one will ever know what would've happened had these terrorists succeeded in their plot to do whatever it was they wanted to do.  We also don't know if they would or would not have been caught if the Patriot Act had not been put in place.

If you want to be technical about it, it's never the president's fault if the US gets attacked on its home soil.  Do you really think the president has any information about potential terrorists in the US?  The Department of Defense and Homeland Security deal with those issues directly, not the president.  Blaming Bush or Clinton or whomever you shift the blame to is not only incorrect, but it's ignorant.  If you're looking for someone at whom to point a finger, look no further than the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld.

Oh, and before anyone points it out, I'm well aware that Homeland Security was created in response to 9-11 and that those attacks cannot be attributed to them.

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