Quite, but when you hear the people of that country defending said policy you begin to wonder...Marconius wrote:
There's quite a difference between a country being angry at another's foreign policies and them being angry at the actual society/people of the other country.
Well, true...though currently the majority of Americans do not agree with our government's actions, even though a lot of people on this particular site believe otherwise.
I believe the following:
-What the US did in the past is past - it determined current roles but is not the cause
-Other countries support most US actions
-The US consults with other countries continously and does not act in a vacuum
-The US is not conquering the world
-The US is not looking for sympathy
-The US government will use propaganda to support policies otherwise it would undercut the objectives
-Vietnam intensified the need to maintain US interests for reasons for global actions (war, trade, diplomacy)
-I also believe politicians are making tough decisions for me, and I have faith in them...mostly
-Invading Iraq was supported internationally...enough to send troops...although it was initially supported with a few objections...and has grown to many objections...such is the nature of war
-Iraq is the major reason why the US is being criticized
-The President did not send your troops to Iraq - your government could have decided to not send troops or aid in any way
And because I believe these things my opinion is that you cannot expect US international involvement on your behalf without including US interests. It wouldn't happen otherwise.
I also believe that if asked, US would help another country out - but the aid will include some US interest involved...
The Telegraph should ask for the Embassy's supporting info for that poll, if they haven't already.
US foreign poicy is a ongoing diplomatic affair - decisions are not made in a vacuum without consultation.
I did not disagree when the decision was made for Iraq, because I have faith in the leadership. Now, if I knew all of what I know now...I might change my mind and thought of other actions.
The current Iraq situation is one that requires the region to be stable before leaving. What "stable" is I can't help you out with that - not my expertise. Leaving now would be very bad - wanting it to be over now isn't the same as being able to extracate the US from the situation. I hope it ends soon, but not likely.
I guess the whole argument surrounds whether you believe a country should take on the role the US has internationally - either its needed or its not. And unfortunately...that's a debate topic not a reality.
-What the US did in the past is past - it determined current roles but is not the cause
-Other countries support most US actions
-The US consults with other countries continously and does not act in a vacuum
-The US is not conquering the world
-The US is not looking for sympathy
-The US government will use propaganda to support policies otherwise it would undercut the objectives
-Vietnam intensified the need to maintain US interests for reasons for global actions (war, trade, diplomacy)
-I also believe politicians are making tough decisions for me, and I have faith in them...mostly
-Invading Iraq was supported internationally...enough to send troops...although it was initially supported with a few objections...and has grown to many objections...such is the nature of war
-Iraq is the major reason why the US is being criticized
-The President did not send your troops to Iraq - your government could have decided to not send troops or aid in any way
And because I believe these things my opinion is that you cannot expect US international involvement on your behalf without including US interests. It wouldn't happen otherwise.
I also believe that if asked, US would help another country out - but the aid will include some US interest involved...
The Telegraph should ask for the Embassy's supporting info for that poll, if they haven't already.
US foreign poicy is a ongoing diplomatic affair - decisions are not made in a vacuum without consultation.
I did not disagree when the decision was made for Iraq, because I have faith in the leadership. Now, if I knew all of what I know now...I might change my mind and thought of other actions.
The current Iraq situation is one that requires the region to be stable before leaving. What "stable" is I can't help you out with that - not my expertise. Leaving now would be very bad - wanting it to be over now isn't the same as being able to extracate the US from the situation. I hope it ends soon, but not likely.
I guess the whole argument surrounds whether you believe a country should take on the role the US has internationally - either its needed or its not. And unfortunately...that's a debate topic not a reality.
Nothing to wonder about - it's an opinion. There is a right to defend and well as criticize.RicardoBlanco wrote:
Quite, but when you hear the people of that country defending said policy you begin to wonder...Marconius wrote:
There's quite a difference between a country being angry at another's foreign policies and them being angry at the actual society/people of the other country.
I don't want to sound like a smacktard or anything but the fact that you posted about some1 giving you -1 karma is clear proof that you do care. If you really don't care you would have just ignored the -1 and said nothing about it. You wouldn't even have looked at your karma score to see if it's changed.[DETX] arabeater wrote:
Guess what whoever -1 karma'd me? I DONT CARE! USA still rocks and your just jealous! Seriously this whole karma thing that was added onto here is retarded. Who really cares about +1 or -1 Karma? Are you gonna be destroyed if somebody -1 you? Or are you gonna feel like a god if you get +1? Jeez I hope not. If they gave out prizes for say a gift certificate to TigerDirect.com for every +100 karma you receive then maybe I would give a shit. Well back on topic I really hate poles and the idea of them being implamented. Have you ever known anybody that was ever poled? Who do they ask? Im guessing they ask people that they know will give them the results they want to hear.
No, our economy made us the dominant power in the world today. Prior to WWII that economy was already one of the largest in the world, and the extent to which the US was vulnerable to attack, was only the time it took to redirect our economy to churn out military hardware. WWII only changed the portion of GDP which was invested directly in our military (from almost none to a sizable amount). Within a year of Pearl Harbor, the US was launching a ship every day. No other economy in the world was capable of that, and the idea of Hitler coming across the Atlantic and 'kicking our asses as well' is laughable. He couldn't even manage to kick ass across the Channel, it's unlikely he could have done it across an ocean.oug wrote:
Its funny how the americans think they made europe a favour in WWII. Know that it was your involvement in this war that made you the dominant power in the world today, and that if you had stayed out of it Hitler would've kicked your asses as well.
We are what Germany was in '39? Not just wrong...woefully ignorant. And, by the way, from a certain perspective, we are doing our thing. And you are doing it with us.oug wrote:
So enough with all that bitching about how you saved us and how good people you are and how grateful we should be.
Its time to realise that you are today what germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.
An opinion poll doesn't necessarily reflect the truth. I find it interesting that the UK, which has a higher crime rate than the US, thinks we are crime ridden. We have a higher murder rate, but you folks have a higher crime rate. I'd say about 50% of the problems cited in the poll are valid, but then most Americans would agree. If you run into an American in the street, there is about a 70% chance (based on poll data) that person will agree Bush is a shithead. So, give us a break: our Constitution, while very good at providing protection from the systemic abuses possible under a Parliamentary system, is less good at turfing out a horrible ass-clown on demand. Unless we catch him with a smoking gun, we have to wait until the four years is up.
Forget about who ? Kidding.BN wrote:
good, ignore us. We are isolated from the rest of the world. lets keep it like that!! I am quite happy on my island.Flecco wrote:
Everybody always ignores Australia. ANZUS (New Zealand hasn't deployed to the recent conflicts in the middle east so they are being ignored for good reason.) still exists.
ps North Korea can reach your shores with its New missile it seems.
You may yet get the chance to show what your made of. Welcome to reality.
I was just curious to see what somebody had karma'd me for honestly. The only ones I really care about are either the ones that leave their name and the ones that leave some sort of viable reason . Honestly if I had -100000000 karma I wouldnt care, just as long as it doesnt affect my BF2 score then I can deal with somebody giving their 2 cents about how i'm a smacktard of a lazy fatass or whatever they feel like calling me. I actually never even looked to see if I had any karma until a few days ago. Oh and whoever wrote that I was a fatass please leave your name. At least if your gonna say something like that have the kahunas to leave your name. FYI i'm not fat. I'm pretty sure the US military frowns on that kinda thing, at least where i'm stationed at anyways.Rosse_modest wrote:
I don't want to sound like a smacktard or anything but the fact that you posted about some1 giving you -1 karma is clear proof that you do care. If you really don't care you would have just ignored the -1 and said nothing about it. You wouldn't even have looked at your karma score to see if it's changed.[DETX] arabeater wrote:
Guess what whoever -1 karma'd me? I DONT CARE! USA still rocks and your just jealous! Seriously this whole karma thing that was added onto here is retarded. Who really cares about +1 or -1 Karma? Are you gonna be destroyed if somebody -1 you? Or are you gonna feel like a god if you get +1? Jeez I hope not. If they gave out prizes for say a gift certificate to TigerDirect.com for every +100 karma you receive then maybe I would give a shit. Well back on topic I really hate poles and the idea of them being implamented. Have you ever known anybody that was ever poled? Who do they ask? Im guessing they ask people that they know will give them the results they want to hear.
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I agree Hitler never wouldve made it outta England before we wouldve bombed the living shit outta his invasion forces. That is if he wouldve ever invaded England which I think most certainly wouldve failed.whittsend wrote:
No, our economy made us the dominant power in the world today. Prior to WWII that economy was already one of the largest in the world, and the extent to which the US was vulnerable to attack, was only the time it took to redirect our economy to churn out military hardware. WWII only changed the portion of GDP which was invested directly in our military (from almost none to a sizable amount). Within a year of Pearl Harbor, the US was launching a ship every day. No other economy in the world was capable of that, and the idea of Hitler coming across the Atlantic and 'kicking our asses as well' is laughable. He couldn't even manage to kick ass across the Channel, it's unlikely he could have done it across an ocean.oug wrote:
Its funny how the americans think they made europe a favour in WWII. Know that it was your involvement in this war that made you the dominant power in the world today, and that if you had stayed out of it Hitler would've kicked your asses as well.We are what Germany was in '39? Not just wrong...woefully ignorant. And, by the way, from a certain perspective, we are doing our thing. And you are doing it with us.oug wrote:
So enough with all that bitching about how you saved us and how good people you are and how grateful we should be.
Its time to realise that you are today what germany was back in '39. So do your thing, and the rest of us will do our thing. At least the germans weren't looking for sympathy while trying to conquer the world.
An opinion poll doesn't necessarily reflect the truth. I find it interesting that the UK, which has a higher crime rate than the US, thinks we are crime ridden. We have a higher murder rate, but you folks have a higher crime rate. I'd say about 50% of the problems cited in the poll are valid, but then most Americans would agree. If you run into an American in the street, there is about a 70% chance (based on poll data) that person will agree Bush is a shithead. So, give us a break: our Constitution, while very good at providing protection from the systemic abuses possible under a Parliamentary system, is less good at turfing out a horrible ass-clown on demand. Unless we catch him with a smoking gun, we have to wait until the four years is up.
Nice whittsend, at least you bothered to answer back instead of just giving me -1 like some other nameless chicken.
And of course it was your economy that made you the dominant power, an aconomy that favoured greatly from the demise of Europe's economy. Bear in mind that no german ever set foot or bombed the shit out of your land. As for what might have happened, well... nobody can tell for sure. And the only reason i refered to Hitler in the first place was because some ignorant kid was asking for sympathy simply because the USA decided to get involved in WWII. As if they could have done otherwise.
I have no idea who it is you mean when you say we're doing it with you... i'm not british you know
As far as polls are concerned, we both know anyone can manufacture one that suits him nowdays.
I must however stand by what I said about Germany and the USA doing the same thing then and now. I think there's only one thing a superpower can do if they do not want to lose their status and position. So I'm not blaming anyone really, after all I think any country in your position would have the exact same policy. All I'm saying is you cannot expect the people you enslave to love you.
And of course it was your economy that made you the dominant power, an aconomy that favoured greatly from the demise of Europe's economy. Bear in mind that no german ever set foot or bombed the shit out of your land. As for what might have happened, well... nobody can tell for sure. And the only reason i refered to Hitler in the first place was because some ignorant kid was asking for sympathy simply because the USA decided to get involved in WWII. As if they could have done otherwise.
I have no idea who it is you mean when you say we're doing it with you... i'm not british you know
As far as polls are concerned, we both know anyone can manufacture one that suits him nowdays.
I must however stand by what I said about Germany and the USA doing the same thing then and now. I think there's only one thing a superpower can do if they do not want to lose their status and position. So I'm not blaming anyone really, after all I think any country in your position would have the exact same policy. All I'm saying is you cannot expect the people you enslave to love you.
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Polls are often misleading, as is the press that takes them.
Most certainly.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Polls are often misleading, as is the press that takes them.
Off the wall, this YouGov poll is sandwiched between 'Seven out of 10 against amnesty for illegals' and 'Supermarkets not so ruthless after all' on YouGov.com's news marquee.
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But you should. In the 4th verse of your National Anthem, it saysPug wrote:
I believe the following:
-The US is not conquering the world
then conquer we must, for our cause it is just.
Click here, if you don't believe
Hey, no hard feelings! I'm just kidding!
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i dont trust a British website to have good information on the United States. How about we'll run the country however we want, or we may start polls on how much we dont like the British, and other useless pieces of information like that.
Do you have more trust in Wikipedia? If yes, I corrected the Link..:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
i dont trust a British website to have good information on the United States. How about we'll run the country however we want, or we may start polls on how much we dont like the British, and other useless pieces of information like that.
i would trust Wikipedia MORE, because people of all countries, cultures, races, and creeds can access it and add information.Starfleet1403 wrote:
Do you have more trust in Wikipedia? If yes, I corrected the Link..:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
i dont trust a British website to have good information on the United States. How about we'll run the country however we want, or we may start polls on how much we dont like the British, and other useless pieces of information like that.
on that topic though, United States media, citing Fox News and CNN, are extremely politically biast, and they rarely see the true side of what a politican is trying to say. for that, BBC has my vote for best news network
It's a poll on British opinion. I'd say the top selling broadsheet in the UK is pretty qualified to speak on how we feel about america. Go run your country any way you want, just don't moan about getting bombed and hated all the time..and try and leave other countries alone..:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
i dont trust a British website to have good information on the United States. How about we'll run the country however we want, or we may start polls on how much we dont like the British, and other useless pieces of information like that.
i honestly cant believe you just said that.RicardoBlanco wrote:
.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
just don't moan about getting bombed
Well you do, and when people try and tell you why it happens you don't listen..:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
i honestly cant believe you just said that.RicardoBlanco wrote:
.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
just don't moan about getting bombed
of fucking course we are going to cry about it. we lost damn near 3,000 people on September 11th. or did that not go through your head when you mentioned bombing?RicardoBlanco wrote:
Well you do, and when people try and tell you why it happens you don't listen..:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
i honestly cant believe you just said that.RicardoBlanco wrote:
haha the telegraph reliable, man I'm gonna +1 you just 'cos you have made my day .RicardoBlanco wrote:
The Telegraph is one of the most reliable, objective and, dare I say, well respected papers (broadsheet, not tabloid) in the UK.
And as for the actual post:
Can you blame other countries for having a dim view of the US when we find things like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp4iI59B … earch=yung (read whats written on the countries if you can )
and as well as that there is your president he is supposed to be the spokesman for your country that does come with being the president.
By the reasoning and the two posts you have given on complaining about receiving minus karma, I would say, you care.[DETX] arabeater wrote:
Guess what whoever -1 karma'd me? I DONT CARE! USA still rocks and your just jealous! Seriously this whole karma thing that was added onto here is retarded. Who really cares about +1 or -1 Karma? Are you gonna be destroyed if somebody -1 you? Or are you gonna feel like a god if you get +1? Jeez I hope not. If they gave out prizes for say a gift certificate to TigerDirect.com for every +100 karma you receive then maybe I would give a shit. Well back on topic I really hate poles and the idea of them being implamented. Have you ever known anybody that was ever poled? Who do they ask? Im guessing they ask people that they know will give them the results they want to hear.
And yes, I did -karma you, and I left my name, if you cared to look you would of known.
Shem
No, you didn't 'lose' them, they were killed because your country pursues such an outrageous foreign policy. These People felt these acts are the only way to get through to you. Lesson learnt, or should have been....:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
of fucking course we are going to cry about it. we lost damn near 3,000 people on September 11th. or did that not go through your head when you mentioned bombing?RicardoBlanco wrote:
Well you do, and when people try and tell you why it happens you don't listen..:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
i honestly cant believe you just said that.
Whitsend, the main reason Hitler gained power was the Wall Street Crash. WW2 gave America the chance to drag itself out of poverty with munitions etc, which it did. America's economy inproved significantly from the start of WW2 to the end. Also, Hitler wouldn't have made it out of Europe. He was stretched too thin, and it was turning winter in Russia. he would have been eentually turned back anyway, America's aid just made it quicker.
Also, the only thing that can be gained from this is hat people suck, the big nations fear the smaller nations jealousy, even if its not there. The smaller nations fear the bigger nations will want to expand. Nobodyd wins.
Also, the only thing that can be gained from this is hat people suck, the big nations fear the smaller nations jealousy, even if its not there. The smaller nations fear the bigger nations will want to expand. Nobodyd wins.