very good find, very smart what she said.
"we have not seen a single jew bomb a german resteraunt"
"we have not seen a single jew bomb a german resteraunt"
Apparently she's American and based in Los Angeles, so her chances of not getting assassinated just went through the roof. Nice to see someone finally say things we'd all like to assume, but if you read the wiki entry it's a little less encouraging because she was shocked out of the Middle East after witnessing atrocities apparently committed by radical and is now secular. I almost wish she'd come to those conclusions completely immersed int eh culture of the Middle East and been able to speak as a practicing Muslim representing the average person but apparently she's something of an anomaly. Very smart and on-target though.
dont expect many arabs to say stuff like that
she was wrong about the jews never having terrorists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Gang
never anywhere near as prevalent as the plo hamas and hezbollah. prolly cuz the idf kicks ass now.
she was wrong about the jews never having terrorists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Gang
never anywhere near as prevalent as the plo hamas and hezbollah. prolly cuz the idf kicks ass now.
Last edited by easy-skanking (2006-06-27 23:02:27)
havent posted here in ages but this is good.
no many people of arabic descent would dare to speak like that. kudos to her
i can just imagine that imam, writing the order to approve her assasination...then again maybe not, he seems so peace loving....
no many people of arabic descent would dare to speak like that. kudos to her
i can just imagine that imam, writing the order to approve her assasination...then again maybe not, he seems so peace loving....
Awesome find. +1 and kudos.
Hmmm.........and how much exactly are the Germans paying the Jews to continue the attack on Palestinians?Rygar wrote:
"We have not seen a Jew blow themselves up in a German restaurant..."
She is an amazing woman and after reading all the transcripts, her essay on the Muslim Brotherhood and hearing her radio interview I have to say that I very much agree with her stance. It's a topic that is heated in all parts of the world and I for one support her endeavor to bring it to the forefront and start the movement for acceptance, understanding and peace.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
I don't find her tone all that conciliatory. She basically goes in there as an atheist and calls all Muslims a backward people.
And I don't speak Arabic so I can't vouch for the veracity of the transcript, but I found this line interesting:
Then again, given the, uh... "broad" range of glowing recommendations halfway down MEMRI's About page, I don't know that I would count on these guys for all my Arabic and Farsi translating needs. Hey, I'm just saying.
It's easy to forget how diverse the Middle East is. The reactionary assholes get all the attention, but there are a ton of moderates in the Arab world. We just don't hear about them because they don't fit the media's pigeonholes of either "terrorist" or "hapless foreigner". Hence everybody's reaction to this chick... *gasp* She's sooooo brave.
Guys, she lives in LA. Anyway, her views are representative of only a small subsection of opposition to Islamist extremists. Unlike most however, she has apparently become a minor celebrity, because her views seem to match those of... more enfranchised forces, shall we say?
Interesting post, though. +1
And I don't speak Arabic so I can't vouch for the veracity of the transcript, but I found this line interesting:
I don't know if that's true or not, but it's a view you don't hear too often. I mean "some discoveries", sure; a "great deal" even, maybe. But "most"? Sort of an odd tack to take on any news channel, let alone Al Jazeera. Unless you're just fishing for a reaction.Wafa Sultan wrote:
Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists.
Then again, given the, uh... "broad" range of glowing recommendations halfway down MEMRI's About page, I don't know that I would count on these guys for all my Arabic and Farsi translating needs. Hey, I'm just saying.
It's easy to forget how diverse the Middle East is. The reactionary assholes get all the attention, but there are a ton of moderates in the Arab world. We just don't hear about them because they don't fit the media's pigeonholes of either "terrorist" or "hapless foreigner". Hence everybody's reaction to this chick... *gasp* She's sooooo brave.
Guys, she lives in LA. Anyway, her views are representative of only a small subsection of opposition to Islamist extremists. Unlike most however, she has apparently become a minor celebrity, because her views seem to match those of... more enfranchised forces, shall we say?
Interesting post, though. +1
I've seen this video long ago. She said HOWIT once or twice, but I'm still trying to figure out what it means. The closest I can guess is something like "acknowledge" or "understand."GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
check this out
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/200410 … mp;ak=null
5 minutes with sub titles but this lady is on fucking point.
Super find! +1
It was a quote from the vid.Bubbalo wrote:
Hmmm.........and how much exactly are the Germans paying the Jews to continue the attack on Palestinians?Rygar wrote:
"We have not seen a Jew blow themselves up in a German restaurant..."
Thanks for the neg, whoever.
Last edited by Rygar (2006-06-28 06:11:34)
Not me, if that's what your thinking.
Re my response, you seemd to be QFEing. I feel some of her points are good, but have been stated many times before, and some are just plain stupid. Also, whilst she argues that it isn't a clash of cultures civilizations:
1) Civilizations do clash, even if IMHO this isn't necessarily an example
2) She fails to look at why it might be percieved as such, an important issue if we want to change perceptions. All in all, a resounding "meh" from me. If she were a Muslim it might have been impressive, but she claims to be Atheist, which makes it a lot easier for her to take her stance.
Do we know where she grew up?
Re my response, you seemd to be QFEing. I feel some of her points are good, but have been stated many times before, and some are just plain stupid. Also, whilst she argues that it isn't a clash of cultures civilizations:
1) Civilizations do clash, even if IMHO this isn't necessarily an example
2) She fails to look at why it might be percieved as such, an important issue if we want to change perceptions. All in all, a resounding "meh" from me. If she were a Muslim it might have been impressive, but she claims to be Atheist, which makes it a lot easier for her to take her stance.
Do we know where she grew up?
yep, but the ladygot it straight for once.Erkut.hv wrote:
That woman is intense. You know that dude wanted to cut her into little bitty pieces.
Nah, I figure your name would follow the neg karma reason (and I don't ACTUALLY care about karma on an internet forum).Bubbalo wrote:
Not me, if that's what your thinking.
Re my response, you seemd to be QFEing. I feel some of her points are good, but have been stated many times before, and some are just plain stupid. Also, whilst she argues that it isn't a clash of cultures civilizations:
1) Civilizations do clash, even if IMHO this isn't necessarily an example
2) She fails to look at why it might be percieved as such, an important issue if we want to change perceptions. All in all, a resounding "meh" from me. If she were a Muslim it might have been impressive, but she claims to be Atheist, which makes it a lot easier for her to take her stance.
Do we know where she grew up?
I have no idea how much the Germans are paying Israel to attack Palestine.
It was quoted for effect. It's pretty easy to watch a "debate" and take one side when the other's defense is to call her a heretic and therefore not worth arguing with (sort of).
Wafa:
http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/L/Joshua.M. … ing-to.htm
I assume she is from syria...
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic … 85,00.html
I'm not saying I agree with the other guy, just that the things she said which I agree with have been said thousands of times before. In short: I don't think her thinking is anything new, unique, or special. And I'm not saying the Germans are paying Israelis to attack Palestine, rather that the comparison between Palestinians and Israelis is stupid because the Holocaust is over, whilst the Israel issue still exists, and Israel is being payed a lot of money by a generation who probably had nothing to do with the holocaust.
Fair enough.
She wasn't smart, just brave enough to speak the truth to the Devils face. I hope she stays safe.
Your just a fucking moron on every subject. Just go fuck yourself with your stupid comments about Jews, the video had nothing to do about Jews, It was about Islamic beliefs being ass-backward.Bubbalo wrote:
I'm not saying I agree with the other guy, just that the things she said which I agree with have been said thousands of times before. In short: I don't think her thinking is anything new, unique, or special. And I'm not saying the Germans are paying Israelis to attack Palestine, rather that the comparison between Palestinians and Israelis is stupid because the Holocaust is over, whilst the Israel issue still exists, and Israel is being payed a lot of money by a generation who probably had nothing to do with the holocaust.
Damn straight, islamic beliefs are pretty backwards... they want to like force u to believe in islam.Major_Spittle wrote:
Your just a fucking moron on every subject. Just go fuck yourself with your stupid comments about Jews, the video had nothing to do about Jews, It was about Islamic beliefs being ass-backward.Bubbalo wrote:
I'm not saying I agree with the other guy, just that the things she said which I agree with have been said thousands of times before. In short: I don't think her thinking is anything new, unique, or special. And I'm not saying the Germans are paying Israelis to attack Palestine, rather that the comparison between Palestinians and Israelis is stupid because the Holocaust is over, whilst the Israel issue still exists, and Israel is being payed a lot of money by a generation who probably had nothing to do with the holocaust.
That was in response to the comment that Jews aren't suicide bombing Germany. So, I'm not allowed to comment on things that other being bring into an argument now? This is going to be an interesting discussion, people. You're expected to talk about Palestinian suicide bombers with no reference to the outside world (except, of course, the poor Israeli civilians, military are of course excluded), history (except the Holocaust) or logic. Have fun!Major_Spittle wrote:
Your just a fucking moron on every subject. Just go fuck yourself with your stupid comments about Jews, the video had nothing to do about Jews, It was about Islamic beliefs being ass-backward.
And this is racist? This is exactly what I'm talking about, pointing out that Israel has only ever existed through attacks by Zionist Jews on Palestinian Muslims is somehow racist? WTF?Bubbalo wrote:
Hmmm.........and how much exactly are the Germans paying the Jews to continue the attack on Palestinians?
her voice annoys the heck outta me
Good find GS, would + you but i already done that today so i have to do that tomorrow.
So shes a heretic for not believing in Islam, that sounds like a sound way of thinking he have there.
No wounder there is terrorists when imams like him exists to agitate the people with ideas like that.
So shes a heretic for not believing in Islam, that sounds like a sound way of thinking he have there.
No wounder there is terrorists when imams like him exists to agitate the people with ideas like that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein
Oops too.
As someone argued this on my stance on the military and how not all soldiers are murderers, 1 billion Muslims are a lot of people to account for. Surely there's going to be some bad ones...
then again, a lot of you think Islam=EVIL America=GOOD so it doesn't matter.
Oops too.
As someone argued this on my stance on the military and how not all soldiers are murderers, 1 billion Muslims are a lot of people to account for. Surely there's going to be some bad ones...
then again, a lot of you think Islam=EVIL America=GOOD so it doesn't matter.
Last edited by Ikarti (2006-06-30 12:41:00)
Its funny how when a guy straps himself with explosives and blows up in a restaurant its terrorism, but when 100 tanks bust in another country and run down everything in their past its self defence.
The only thing that woman got right was about the stones and religion. Other than that, if you cant see past the obvious reason why a jew never blew up in a restaurant (yes, he's got a whole fucking army doing his dirtywork for him) then there's nothing I or anyone else for that matter can do about your inability to grasp even the simplest of things.
As for all you americans, its understandable why you can't understand. You have the largest army in the world doing the terrorism on your behalf. Plus helping dictators into power is more subtle and a LOT more effective that blowing yourself up in public places.
The only thing that woman got right was about the stones and religion. Other than that, if you cant see past the obvious reason why a jew never blew up in a restaurant (yes, he's got a whole fucking army doing his dirtywork for him) then there's nothing I or anyone else for that matter can do about your inability to grasp even the simplest of things.
As for all you americans, its understandable why you can't understand. You have the largest army in the world doing the terrorism on your behalf. Plus helping dictators into power is more subtle and a LOT more effective that blowing yourself up in public places.
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