-=1stInF.|Slappey
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Homeschtar wrote:

-=1stInF.|Slappey wrote:

dshak wrote:

I think it would be a LOT more interesting if perhaps we could equip the deer with rocket propelled grenades, or at the very least teach them to lay claymores.

I'm one of those people who supports hunting only if it is a means of feeding oneself. Killing something, ANYTHING, for sport is just about the worst action another living thing can take in my opinion. I also find the above post to be unbelievable... you just don't know nature until you've shot and killed it. give me a friggin break. please.

I especially liked the part about nature undisturbed... that is except for the guy with the 22 trying to find things to murder.

Now if you will excuse me I'm off to meet with the other hippies...
All too often non-hunters equate hunting with killing.  Many believe to be a successful hunter that you must kill. Unfortunately, they do not realize that hunting is not about killing. What confuses the issue is the fact that nearly all successful hunters spend 99% of their time a field admiring wildlife and the outdoors in general.

Just wonderin here, have you ever sat in the wood for 4-5 hours, all the while remaining perfectly still? If not, then you won't understand what i am talking about(then again, if you have done that, you probably wouldn't have misunderstood my post). As i said in my other post, it's not the shooting that makes hunting so addicting, it's the experience. Seeing nature the way it truly is, when man isn't around. Virtually all of the hunters time is spent observing their quarry's habits, movements and learning about the animals environment. In other words a nature walk with a goal. Maybe you should re-read my last post, but this time, with an open mind. You say you don't mind hunting if it's to feed(which i fully agree with), but then you call it murder. When anyother animal kills for food, is that also concidered murder?

And just because you don't always agree with hunting doesn't make you a hippie, it makes you a lover of wildlife. Just like most of us who hunt.
The reason people equate hunting with killing is because the definition fo hunting is to "pursue and then kill". I also think that hunting is fine if you're doing it for the food, but I don't really think you can call it "sport" until you give the deer the same weapons you have. I understand what you mean about the experiencing nature aspect of it, but ultimately the goal of hunting is killing animals. If that weren't the goal, they wouldn't call it hunting, they'd call it "Nature experiencing". That's my position. I don't like hate everyone that hunts, but I don't consider it a sport or a respectable activity.
I agree, it's NOT a sport. Killing something is never a sport, never has been, and never will be. And after killing a deer, i am always a lil sad.  However, i do it because:

1. It's an extremely cheap source for a LOT of lean, low fat meat(usually around 100 lbs of deer meat per trip).

2. I love the outdoors(and i spend as much time out there as possible)

3. I think there is something to be said about not always having to rely on the supermarket to get your food. Sort of an independence(archaic, as another poster said).

If you disagree with me, that's fine, i am not here to change anybody's mind, nor will i try.

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-=1stInF.|Slappey
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atlvolunteer wrote:

A lot of my relatives hunt, and they all eat what they kill. 
I tried deer hunting, but it wasn't for me.  I'm not much for getting up at 3:30, climbing up into a deerstand in the pitch dark, sitting up there for hours freezing your ass off...   I still usually go up to my cousins deer camp when deer hunting season opens in KY, I just don't hunt anymore.
3:30 in the morning????? Good lord man! I don't even wake up til around 4:45-5. Maybe you had farther to walk than i. Yea, deer camp is lots of fun, just sitting around with old friends and talking, it's a great experience.
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-=1stInF.|Slappey wrote:

I agree, it's NOT a sport. Killing something is never a sport, never has been, and never will be. And after killing a deer, i am always a lil sad.  However, i do it because:

1. It's an extremely cheap source for a LOT of lean, low fat meat(usually around 100 lbs of deer meat per trip).

2. I love the outdoors(and i spend as much time out there as possible)

3. I think there is something to be said about not always having to rely on the supermarket to get your food. Sort of an independence(archaic, as another poster said).

If you disagree with me, that's fine, i am not here to change anybody's mind, nor will i try.
Nope, I agree with that.
AnarkyXtra
BF2s EU Server Admin
+67|7028|Hanging onto the UAV
I don't have a problem with hunting as long as:

a) In the case of edible game, what you kill you eat (seems a bit of a waste otherwise!) rather than just killing for no reason;
b) What you're hunting isn't endangered.
Mackaronen
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+18|6877|Uppland, Sweden

AnarkyXtra wrote:

I don't have a problem with hunting as long as:

a) In the case of edible game, what you kill you eat (seems a bit of a waste otherwise!) rather than just killing for no reason;
b) What you're hunting isn't endangered.
Exactly. And you must see to it that you do not kill the most fertile and really strong ones so you get a strong and eh.. huntabel animal population.
But i also think it´s ok to hunt to keep the numbers down if the animals do damage to crops or transfer deceases. Like here in Sweden the wild bores can destroy a field over a night. So we hunt much more bore than we can eat but still they destroying our field and continue to grow in number. (but we do not discard the meat we do not eat but give it away to friend and colleagues)
KingMchris
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+12|6783|London

-=1stInF.|Slappey wrote:

Well, it's that time of the year again. Deer hunting season here in the US. I was wondering what everybody thinks of hunting, morally and the such. If you have a problem with it, why? If you like to hunt, again Why?

Personally, i am leaving tomarrow to go hunting for 11 days down in Central Georgia.
It let's people apreciate how we survive.
what it takes to survive the feeling of killing and eating your food.
I haven't done it myself, but it just provides entertainment but should more be there to provide an experience
Tushers
Noctwisaskfirtush
+224|6925|Some where huntin in Wisconsin
why do people keep bashing hunters hunters are there for the good of the heard.

1) they keep the deer population down.  If you ban hunting the heards will get to big and eat everything and then all the animals will have nothing to eat and tehn bammy they starve

2) If it werent for hunters there would be more accidents for deer runnign across roads and pop you've been totaled car respawn 1325603217690 seconds

3) hunters arnt all people who just go around and kill everything that moves like portaid in movies and ect., there are some people out there but even if you bann hunting some of those people like me are still goning to do it not cuz i am a rebel its how i grew up and its is a way of life wether you like it or not...
JOJOBA
my penis itches
+18|6773|Columbus, OH
ive got a couple things to comment on. 

some one said, it wouldnt be sport unless you give the animal you're killing the same weapon as you... i would like to follow that up with a HAHAHA and are you kidding?? of course, ill give a deer a shotgun, or even a bazooka, then will it be fair?   

and another person said something about shooting a deer with a 22??   all a 22 will do is bounce off of the deer.  it might puncture a little bit and it might die from having a small hole in its body, but thats basically it.  those bullets are less than half an inch long, and less than a quarter of an inch in diameter.  now if you had a .223 caliber M-16, then you might be able to kill, same diameter slightly longer bullet, but way more poweder behind that thing, but rifles are illegal to hunt with in some stats.   those are my comments, and i apologize if i offended anyone, really.
unnamednewbie13
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Homeschtar wrote:

That's my position. I don't like hate everyone that hunts, but I don't consider it a sport or a respectable activity.
Too bad for you then that hunting is a necessity for the welfare of wildlife.
LoMaX
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+24|6775|Sweden is banned from hell ;)
I personally have no problems with hunting. If it is a clean kill.

Persons that normally? have an issue with this I reckon do not quite understand how the "BEEF" got into the grocery shop. For you that kind of thinkers - "it was killed" and not hunted. Probably with a nailgun or similar to the head.. Katchingaaaa. And the little Cow was no more.

So my point? Hunting a deer that had sweet life in the free wast nature I personally find mor attractive than the nailgun kill on the Cow in captivity. But hey - I still eat it. Burgers to everybody.

The thing I might have an issue with is upon the "COW" was brought up. In Sweden we have something called "Kravmärkt kött" = A label that the Cow had somewhat a reasonable life before it was executed.

And that somewhat makes a relief to know that the BEEF was a "happy Cow". I do know that it implicates some questions still.. But we still need to eat?

/LoMaX

Last edited by LoMaX (2006-06-26 04:04:56)

Mackaronen
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+18|6877|Uppland, Sweden

JOJOBA wrote:

ive got a couple things to comment on. 

some one said, it wouldnt be sport unless you give the animal you're killing the same weapon as you... i would like to follow that up with a HAHAHA and are you kidding?? of course, ill give a deer a shotgun, or even a bazooka, then will it be fair?   

and another person said something about shooting a deer with a 22??   all a 22 will do is bounce off of the deer.  it might puncture a little bit and it might die from having a small hole in its body, but thats basically it.  those bullets are less than half an inch long, and less than a quarter of an inch in diameter.  now if you had a .223 caliber M-16, then you might be able to kill, same diameter slightly longer bullet, but way more poweder behind that thing, but rifles are illegal to hunt with in some stats.   those are my comments, and i apologize if i offended anyone, really.
I got a .222R rifle and it´s just a bit weaker than .223 (shorter cartridge same diameter) and it is perfect for roe deer hunting. But it is illegal to use at regular deer. You could easy kill a Swedish moose with it but it is illegal.
Mackaronen
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+18|6877|Uppland, Sweden
I hunt, not so much for the kill but to get out in the forest, and enjoy the nature. I think it´s totally beautiful to just sit there and see the roe deers walk around grazing in the fields. I seldom shoot unless it´s a predator like a fox or a badger, then i shoot, to protect the fawns and the cats and chickens in our village.
Tushers
Noctwisaskfirtush
+224|6925|Some where huntin in Wisconsin
i hunt cuz i eat wat i shoot i dont shoot shit and then leave it or jsut shoot it for the horns but the only time i do if i am shotting pestest like coyotes and foxs and then i still clean out and then throw em out and i use the eltes for shoe its cool to make shit i made a bone handle knife out of a deer horn ya da ya da ya da ok i thnk omeon should clos ethis threead cuz yea i think we coverd it al!!!
KnowMeByTrailOfDead
Jackass of all Trades
+62|6921|Dayton, Ohio
In Ohio, the only Hunting license you need comes from the DMV.  I can get twice as many deer with my truck.  May want to install a grill guard before trying this at home.  My Aunt brought in 4 last year.
Cheeky_Ninja06
Member
+52|6973|Cambridge, England
never having hunted myself i get the impression that is similar to fishing. you dont do it because you like to hurt animals. you do it to be immersed in nature, watching the sun come up in the morning and all the mist on the water etc etc yus?
NZWAR
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+9|6836
you should come over to nz, come to my place here in the bay of plenty (NZ),  we will go and waste a few animals, you will love it
manitobapaintballa
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Mackaronen wrote:

JOJOBA wrote:

ive got a couple things to comment on. 

some one said, it wouldnt be sport unless you give the animal you're killing the same weapon as you... i would like to follow that up with a HAHAHA and are you kidding?? of course, ill give a deer a shotgun, or even a bazooka, then will it be fair?   

and another person said something about shooting a deer with a 22??   all a 22 will do is bounce off of the deer.  it might puncture a little bit and it might die from having a small hole in its body, but thats basically it.  those bullets are less than half an inch long, and less than a quarter of an inch in diameter.  now if you had a .223 caliber M-16, then you might be able to kill, same diameter slightly longer bullet, but way more poweder behind that thing, but rifles are illegal to hunt with in some stats.   those are my comments, and i apologize if i offended anyone, really.
I got a .222R rifle and it´s just a bit weaker than .223 (shorter cartridge same diameter) and it is perfect for roe deer hunting. But it is illegal to use at regular deer. You could easy kill a Swedish moose with it but it is illegal.
you are a liar you haven't ever used a 22lr to hunt a deer because past 100 yds i will only go thru the skin and i doesn't have the weight to kill a deer hell a .223 i more then double the velocitiy of a .22lr.  you wouldn't use even a .223 on a deer anyways you would need a head shot.

and to the guy who said that it's not sporting to hunt a deer without giving it a weapon dude you crack a branch and you'll never find that animal all day
acidkiller187
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+123|6870
Well i'm from south africa and its the same down here hunting season that is I'm gona try and shoot a Buffalo this year there just Fkn expensive But defnitly worth the hunt lol

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