BF2S Forums Body armor: Not an excuse!

(Annihilation)

Well, if you want to bring up stats (someone always does), your K/D's for weapons aren't that much greater than mine, and there's one more thing that I won't mention for your sake.

Oh, and yes, this could be considered Complain if you take the stance that I am complaining about how body armor doesn't do much, but I was trying to point out that body armor does not make up for a disadvantage, whatever the disadvantage may be.

Last edited by k30dxedle (2006-06-19 11:11:13)

k30dxedle wrote:

(Annihilation)

Well, if you want to bring up stats (someone always does), your K/D's for weapons aren't that much greater than mine, and there's one more thing that I won't mention for your sake.

You mean his flagrant stat padding?

Annhilation wrote:

Yea I hear Lag and dude I don't think any one wants too listen to you bitch just because you have a poor k/d ratio seeing as you probably lose most of you fire fights you probably never have heard anyone say well that is because an AT has armor and shouldn't this be under complain?

What day is it today?Asshole-day?
Why don't you just shut up and go back to your Karkand Knife&Pistol servers?
Maybe you and your favorite victim can break your 47 kills in a row record.
Come back when you've learned to utilize punctuation and to make constructive posts....on second thought - please never come back.
Have a nice day.

Last edited by Mj.Blindfisch (2006-06-19 11:17:24)

PspRpg-7 wrote:

Mhmm, one tenth of a second can make a helluva difference.

QFE

And, assuming both guys are good shots, the one who starts shooting first gets the kill; it really is as simple as that often.

Ilocano wrote:

Wow, someone was quick with the Stats hyperlink change.  One second, the padding account, the next, the other account.  Anyone remember the padding PID?

Yes,of course...the PID is 62210796,just behold the 1337 padding stats in all their glory.

It doesnt matter how fast can the extra bullets be fired. Those extra bullets can miss and only your initial shots can hit their target and that one bullet which makes the difference between a armor kill and a non armor kill makes all the difference between living and getting owned.

SargeV1.4 wrote:

you want my honest opinion?

Stop raging a f*cking holy war against G36E's and learn how to make a headshot already! You know how you win? Quick aiming. You know how you win? Clever tactics.

stop blaming the f*cking gun! It's down to YOU! NOT THE GODDAMN GUN

Do you want AT to beat medics, assault, or supports?

well, tough! Stick to a squad, you're not supposed to mow down infantry as AT.

and for you aimbot....according to your sig...lol

ShadowFoX wrote:

I really dont care about the G36E because all it can do to my M1A1 tank is just scratch paint. And after he does that bye bye head. Since 5 vs 5 TWL doesnt allow unlocks I dont really care about g36e anyway. Im just pointing out the fact that body armor does make a difference. You might not notice it everytime but it does make a difference. The times your spitting on the screen yelling stupid armor didnt save me well tough luck. What abou the time you have 1-2 bars of health hey that kevlar vest just saved your life. Next time you have that much health and you have a class with armor thank it and note it.

When did I say it made no difference? Try reading. I said it makes less of a difference than some people say.

PS ... I was under the impression there were no "Head Shots" like in CoD, etc ... are there differences in the hitboxes?

Gah! Damn all those times playing UT2004!! I always aim for the torso, because you only get HS with the sniper

It can be pretty easy to mow down infantry with an AT kit, if you know how to use the weapons available. Yes I use AT rocket against infantry, get over it.

As to .135 seconds or .1 second - remember that unless you're at point blank range (and I mean POINT BLANK so their entire body fills your screen) more than half your shots will miss, depending on the weapon. With a G36C  (600 RPM), assuming you have 25% accuracy at medium range and an unmoving target, it will take 1.6 seconds to kill an unarmored target, and 2.4 seconds for an armored one. All the armored classes take many fewer hits to kill you. An Assault kit or Support (assuming PKM) will take 3 shots (at 20% accuracy, he'll kill you in 1.5 seconds). An AT kit with 20% accuracy with SMG and has a P90 will take you out in 2 seconds (2/30 of a second per shot). If he's using his AT rocket (at medium range I usually will) it will probably take you out in one second or less. He'll probably take you out no challenge with a DAO-12 or P90 (that thing fires fast, it's deadlier than you might think when prone and zoomed) if he's within 3m and he knows vaguely how to use it.

I used basic math for all of this and my own accuracy with each weapon, if you wish to see the equations and numbers just PM me. This is all approximate with consistant accuracy not involving bursts and deviation added per shot, keep that in mind.

So, functionally, body armor could be an excuse. The player with less accuracy but who has body armor takes fewer seconds to kill the unarmored man, so if you both start shooting at the same time, he'll win. Obviously scenarios differ greatly, but generally a less skilled player will do better with body armor against an unarmored opponent. I usually have no problem against people with body armor whether they beat me or not, because that's how the kits are set up. I know that it takes them half the amount of shots to kill me, but at least I try and I might get a kill or at least a KDA.

I respect you for trying though I kind of agree with you that it's not really an excuse, but there are situations where no matter how good you are the noob with body armor, a GL and an F2000 will kill you.

Edit: I was going to give the OP +1 karma but apparently I already karma'ed you in the last 24 hours... I'll do it later when I can!

Last edited by Metamort (2006-06-19 17:39:08)

CS to BF2 refugees rule - learn to aim ffs