| Yes, the similarities are way too obvious | 28% | 28% - 47 | ||||
| No, that Guy's just another crazy SOB | 45% | 45% - 76 | ||||
| WTF is Ahmadinejad? | 25% | 25% - 43 | ||||
| Total: 166 | ||||||
Anyone who has been reading yours and my posts consistantly knows the answer to that.Bubbalo wrote:
Oh Em Gee Horseman. Have we forgotten our lesson about who really starts with the insults already?
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ALso I might add - the US would still face aggression from within both Iraq and Afghanistan, and would find themselves very thinly spread.Bubbalo wrote:
Sure, but eventually someone will get fed up and tell them to stop the airstrikes. Their intelligentsia have already been shunned. Cutting off their whole country can't be far behind.herrr_smity wrote:
they will not tolerate a Iran withe nuclear weaponAll it does is push out their frontage, leaving them facing Syria and Saudi Arabia. Big deal, they were afraid of Iraq, and Iran is probably stronger.herrr_smity wrote:
look at a map
a new friend for you bubalo ! I am sure he dosen't consider this insulting.mafia996630 wrote:
cos americans are little kids(no offense), they think they see a virus and attack it wth a baseball bat.
hmm then they will have to overrun the Americans in Iraq, and then open up a from against Afghanistan, and we all know how successful that is going to beBubbalo wrote:
All it does is push out their frontage, leaving them facing Syria and Saudi Arabia. Big deal, they were afraid of Iraq, and Iran is probably stronger.herrr_smity wrote:
look at a map
Ther's no Chekoslovakia anymore (well, there hasn't been for years), it's now two seperate countries, Czech Republik and Slovakia.RicardoBlanco wrote:
Lol - I'm still waiting for them to declare war on Chekoslovakia for pissing all over them in the world cup.mafia996630 wrote:
cos americans are little kids(no offense), they think they see a virus and attack it wth a baseball bat.
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Is G.W. Bush ?????Bubbalo wrote:
I dunno. Is Ariel Sharon?
This exact notion is the very thing that lead to the events of the Holocaust. It started out with people not liking the supposed "Jewish Control" over their lives. It later transformed into hate, which in turn lead to the systematic killing of over 6 million. I regret to hear that there are still people out there who endorse such prejudice.CameronPoe wrote:
Help out? any americans disagree with my observation ?
That's the problem with US politics. A tiny minority (the Jews) control most of the money and the media and call the shots.
Israel is the ONLY beacon of democracy in the middle east and the sole representative of the west. I don't think Arabs hate Israel because of the so called "occupation" and such. What lies behind that hate is that the Arab leaders (such as Ahmadinejad) see Israel as a tumor, a dangerous thing that doesn't fit in the middle eastern environment. The winds of democracy and advancement are a threat to their regime, and so they do their best to fight it. Don't be mistaken, if a country like Iran was one of your neighbors, you can be sure they would find an excuse to hate you to preserve their theocratic dark-aged regime.CameronPoe wrote:
Israel isn't so much the 51st US state, more the US being the Israeli satellite state/puppy dog.
The support granted by the US government is driven primarily by American interest. The support resembles the one America has given the UK during WW2. They have actively supported UK to repel the Nazi advancment (and their crazy ideology) from reaching the last democratic outpost in Europe. Worldwide democracy is something the United States, as role model, is morally obligated to do.CameronPoe wrote:
It's funny - some rightist Americans believe they're part of a wonderful 'American Empire' when really it's more of an 'Israeli Empire'. Ever wonder why Israel is sent billions of dollars in regular and military aid every year out of the US budget (more than any other country) when top US academics can't see how the US benefits strategically or in any other way from supporting them so.
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1) Being opposed to Israeli government policy and to the influence Israel has on the US does not equate to supporting the abhorrent systematic destruction of 6 million human beings. I am correct that there are many rich and influential jews in the background of US politics - that is not something that can be debated. I was just commenting that they pack more of a political punch than they should based on the number of jews there are in the US as a percentage of the total population i.e. they have a disproportionate amount of control over US politics. This isn't some crazy conspiracy theory, it's just fact. i'm not suggesting they have some masterplan to destory us all or something.QuestionMark wrote:
This exact notion is the very thing that lead to the events of the Holocaust. It started out with people not liking the supposed "Jewish Control" over their lives. It later transformed into hate, which in turn lead to the systematic killing of over 6 million. I regret to hear that there are still people out there who endorse such prejudice.
Israel is the ONLY beacon of democracy in the middle east and the sole representative of the west. I don't think Arabs hate Israel because of the so called "occupation" and such. What lies behind that hate is that the Arab leaders (such as Ahmadinejad) see Israel as a tumor, a dangerous thing that doesn't fit in the middle eastern environment. The winds of democracy and advancement are a threat to their regime, and so they do their best to fight it. Don't be mistaken, if a country like Iran was one of your neighbors, you can be sure they would find an excuse to hate you to preserve their theocratic dark-aged regime.
The support granted by the US government is driven primarily by American interest. The support resembles the one America has given the UK during WW2. They have actively supported UK to repel the Nazi advancment (and their crazy ideology) from reaching the last democratic outpost in Europe. Worldwide democracy is something the United States, as role model, is morally obligated to do.
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They can't even form a government without killing each other. Perhaps if their PM's weren't robbing them blind for the past 30 years, they could've made more advances. The palestinians are their own worst enemy. Hamas and Fatah won't let each other run things, so they will never be able to accomplish anything.CameronPoe wrote:
I do however seek justice for the Palestinians, people who are suffering their very own holocaust as we speak. They should be allowed to return to their homes in Palestine and be recompensed for the hardship they have had to endure.
It is true that they can be their own worst enemy. I forget who said it but it goes like this: 'The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity'. To be fair, I've been to the west bank and it's fairly clear that the Israelis don't exactly make governing the west bank the easiest task for them - I mean let's face it, they have no airports or seaports, limited civil control over certain areas, roadblocks everywhere and they lob in a few missiles every now and again. I wouldn't exactly rush to preside over that.Erkut.hv wrote:
They can't even form a government without killing each other. Perhaps if their PM's weren't robbing them blind for the past 30 years, they could've made more advances. The palestinians are their own worst enemy. Hamas and Fatah won't let each other run things, so they will never be able to accomplish anything.CameronPoe wrote:
I do however seek justice for the Palestinians, people who are suffering their very own holocaust as we speak. They should be allowed to return to their homes in Palestine and be recompensed for the hardship they have had to endure.
Why is it the oil rich arab countries can't come to the aid of the Palestinians and help them rebuild their infrastructure? They are real quick to ask the "Great Satan" for aid though. Funny.
number of jews Hitler killed = Approximately 6 millionBadrism wrote:
Is G.W. Bush ?????Bubbalo wrote:
I dunno. Is Ariel Sharon?
The Israeli democracy is certainly not a theo-democracy, as you would rather call it. Israel had to adapt to the difficult circumstances to maintain its status as a Jewish state. When you express support for a two-state solution while criticizing the Israeli immigration and citizenship policies, you basically contradict yourself. Israel could not have existed as an independent Jewish state if it allowed non-Jews (Arabs mainly) to immigrate. The Arabs (which have a high birth rate), would soon become the majority, thus eliminating Israel's Jewish nature. A two-state solution will, then, become pointless because Israel and Palestine would both have Arab majority.CameronPoe wrote:
Israel is a democracy yes. A democracy for jews. I would call it an apartheid state or a jewish theocracy with democratic elements but not a democracy in its purest form. No other nation on earth guarantees citizenship to someone of a particular creed wherever they are in the world, further diluting the discriminated against minority.
I would disagree with you that the concept of 'democracy' in the heart of the middle east is what has caused such hatred amongst arabs in that region of the world. It is simply the fact that millions of people were unjustly displaced from their homes and left to drift into the wilderness. It is also the fact that the Haram-al-Sharif is now effectively under Israeli control. Humiliating defeats of arab armies at the hands of the Israelis means vengeance also plays a part in their hatred. Israel has not made one friendly overture towards any of its neighbouring countries since it came into existence in 1948 or any attempt to try and diffuse the tension in the region. It remains intransigent and steadfast, which is admirable in some ways, but further aggravating matters by settling more land that under international law does not belong to them is foolish and does them no good in the long term. I sometimes wonder - do Israelis want to make peace with their neighbours at all.
For the record. I believe in a two state solution to the Israel-Palestine issue. I do not want to see Israel wiped from the map. I do however seek justice for the Palestinians, people who are suffering their very own holocaust as we speak. They should be allowed to return to their homes in Palestine and be recompensed for the hardship they have had to endure.
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Yes theo-democracy is harsh, what I was really referring to was the way in which it is a democracy that must show bias towards a particular creed. With respect to the two state solution I think that Israel should at least allow refugee Palestinians to resettle the West Bank and Gaza and pay them reparations for their hardship, which would also allow them to resettle more easily. Reparations were paid to the Jews in the wake of WWII after all.QuestionMark wrote:
The Israeli democracy is certainly not a theo-democracy, as you would rather call it. Israel had to adapt to the difficult circumstances to maintain its status as a Jewish state. When you express support for a two-state solution while criticizing the Israeli immigration and citizenship policies, you basically contradict yourself. Israel could not have existed as an independent Jewish state if it allowed non-Jews (Arabs mainly) to immigrate. The Arabs (which have a high birth rate), would soon become the majority, thus eliminating Israel's Jewish nature. A two-state solution will, then, become pointless because Israel and Palestine would both have Arab majority.
Israel has always sought to achieve peace with its neighbors and the peace agreement with Jordan and Egypt is the proof. The peace with Egypt for example, involved great concessions which threatened to destroy the very fabric of the Israeli society. The late Israeli Leader, Begin, has made a conscious decision to achieve peace even though it had the potential to create disunity. Israel's desire for peace is also clearly expressed in the state's declaration of Independence.
Israel has always tried to find the "golden route" between keeping the Jewish nature of the state and respecting the rights of minorities. It might not always work, but the system constantly strives to perfect itself. You'll be surprised but the Israeli democracy may actually outshine some well founded democracies on the globe in terms of human rights.
The analogy you've made between the Holocaust and the Palestinian Refugee problem is quite disturbing. I can't see how you can compare between systematic killing and a mere refugee problem caused by a war. In my opinion, the use of the term "Holocaust" to describe their hardships, is a sign people hadn't quite gotten the true meaning of the Holocaust (no offense of course).
I see you've been to Haram-A-Sharif, therefore I assume you've been to Israel. Have you experienced anything that might discredit Israel as a democratic state?
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Isn't Ariel Sharon in a Coma in a hospital somewhere? I find it hard to believe he is still in control of any activites that go on in Isreal.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
number of jews Hitler killed = Approximately 6 millionBadrism wrote:
Is G.W. Bush ?????Bubbalo wrote:
I dunno. Is Ariel Sharon?
number of jews Bush killed = Approxiamtely 0
Nope, not Hitler.
Sharon is not even close to comparing to Hitler either but he has his flaws. Just shows Bubbalos true side, which is stupid.
It may have been a Factor in the Events that lead to the Holocaust but it doesn't mean they are not True.QuestionMark wrote:
This exact notion is the very thing that lead to the events of the Holocaust. It started out with people not liking the supposed "Jewish Control" over their lives. It later transformed into hate, which in turn lead to the systematic killing of over 6 million. I regret to hear that there are still people out there who endorse such prejudice..CameronPoe wrote:
Help out? any americans disagree with my observation ?
That's the problem with US politics. A tiny minority (the Jews) control most of the money and the media and call the shots.
Yeah, the whole thing is one giant shit sandwhich and we're all going to have to take a bite.Horseman 77 wrote:
I have no idea how to fix the situation. We should have not let them take over in 1947, alas there is no time machine...yet.
Says Hans Geuter from Frankfurt, Germany, 1934....UallCRY2much wrote:
just play bf2 and dont worry about politics its too much for most of you
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And I provided links so people could observe your posts and make up their own minds. You just make broad, sweeping statements about how everyone picks on Horseman and then when someone shows you being the first to call names ignore the post.Horseman 77 wrote:
Anyone who has been reading yours and my posts consistantly knows the answer to that.
Why you are not comfortable letting people make their own observations and draw their own conclusions?
Apparently I wasn't clear enough. I wasn't trying to draw parallels between Hitler and Sharon, but rather point out that Ahmadinejad is no worse than many of Israels leaders.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Sharon is not even close to comparing to Hitler either but he has his flaws. Just shows Bubbalos true side, which is stupid.
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WHY does it have to be up to us? This guy is a threat to the WHOLE world. It doesnt take much to get the parts to make long range missles that will also reach your country. remember, your country also has soldiers in Iraq, something this guy doesnt like at all. Until the UN starts acting like a world body instead of a Moffia crime family, I guess it just might be up to the US to do something about this whackjob.Bubbalo wrote:
Uh......there were a number of people who knew what was coming (Stalin, Churchill, parts of the upper brass in America), they just weren't powerful enough to do anything (except Stalin, who wanted a war). And Ahmadinejad does *not* have the same motives. For one, Hitler was secular. I also feel you don't give him enough credit. He knows America would be stupid to invade, and so far he's managed to look like he's willing to talk whilst the Americans are not.Spark wrote:
Hitler was extremely clever and subtle in the buildup to WWII - no-one suspected a thing about him until about 1935.
Israel has no objection to refugees returning to the West Bank and Gaza. What they do in their own pseudo-country, is their own business, as long as it doesn't affect the security of the neighboring countries.CameronPoe wrote:
Yes theo-democracy is harsh, what I was really referring to was the way in which it is a democracy that must show bias towards a particular creed. With respect to the two state solution I think that Israel should at least allow refugee Palestinians to resettle the West Bank and Gaza and pay them reparations for their hardship, which would also allow them to resettle more easily. Reparations were paid to the Jews in the wake of WWII after all.
This is part of an interview conducted by the German News Magazine "Der Spiegel" with Iran's President, Ahmadinejad:Horseman 77 wrote:
Can anyone for that matter. Does the Holocaust give israelis carte blanc to walk all over anyone who is militarily inferior to them. If the USA had built up the Arabs instead, the shoe would be back on the other foot. Yes jews had a tuff time in Europe during the late 1930s and Early 1940s but you couldn't find people less responsible than the Arabs who lived in Palestine save for Eskimos maybe.
I have no idea how to fix the situation. We should have not let them take over in 1947, alas there is no time machine...yet.
Both you, Horseman77, and Ahmadinejad claim the same thing. Ahmadinejad, in his perverted way of thinking, connects the Palestinian issue with the Holocaust and says the Palestinians are the victims of that wretched crime. Both of you, also, don't acknowledge the Jew's right to have an independent state in the land of Israel. It's a shame, really, that people share the same ideas with that nutcase.Der Spiegel wrote:
SPIEGEL: Of course we are entitled to write about the findings of the past 60 years' historical research. In our view there is no doubt that the Germans -- unfortunately -- bear the guilt for the murder of 6 million Jews.
Ahmadinejad: Well, then we have stirred up a very concrete discussion. We are posing two very clear questions. The first is: Did the Holocaust actually take place? You answer this question in the affirmative. So, the second question is: Whose fault was it? The answer to that has to be found in Europe and not in Palestine. It is perfectly clear: If the Holocaust took place in Europe, one also has to find the answer to it in Europe.
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