The other option would mean Americans are inherently inferior to everyone else.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
how in the fuck would you know
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I agree that that is how you do it. However I think it was clearly a poor decision to go in after them if civilians were in the those buildings. Like Bub said, if this happened in America there would be an uproar.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
the tacticts the marines used are time and tested. when you open up doors where suspected insurgents might be behind and you DONT go in shooting, you end up getting killed. Time tested tactic. the marines in question did not choose the battlefield, the insurgents did.
that has gotta be a joke.Bubbalo wrote:
What, exactly, gives you that impression?
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and that is why you have no concept of the situation in iraq. these guys are not police on a local patrol.Bubbalo wrote:
I have never said that you should charge into a room which contains (a) hostile(s). What I said is that given that they knew little about whether there were even any insurgents in the general area, running around all guns blazing was stupid.
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it IS a warzoneghettoperson wrote:
But at the same time, the country is not a warzone. Admittedly, it is a hell of a lot more dangerous than most countries, but that doesn't mean that every room you walk into is going to have someone in it who is trying to kill you.
No, they aren't. They are, however, better armed, and ought be better trained, than policemen. Not only that, but how much sense does it take to determine whether you're under attack before shooting people?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
and that is why you have no concept of the situation in iraq. these guys are not police on a local patrol.
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AMEN!Darth_Fleder wrote:
Amazing, simply amazing. Where were these howls for the sanctity of human life when the Kurds were being gassed? When al-Zarkawi was beheading civilians and bombing hotels? When Arab teens strap bombs to themselves and blow up bus loads of civilians?
You people are inconsistent in your professed outrage and thus you expose your bias. You have no deep convictions against the slaughter of civilians, only a desire to highlight any perceived error on the part of the U.S.
These insurgents use the civilian population as cover and thus it is they who bear the responsibility of bringing harm to those that they hide amongst. Where is your outrage at these cowardly tactics? Where is your outrage when these cowards blow up Iraqi civilians on a regular basis? When they round up those whom they suspect of collaborating with coalition forces and execute them?
WARNING-WARNING_WARNING The following link is EXTREMELY graphic. It depicts the nature of the insurgents and what they are capable of.
www.mensnewsdaily.com/video/armstrong-murder2.wmv
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please explain how you know this to be true... were you there?.... or are you a telepath? just wanted to know, cause my friend has this cat that won't stop pissing on the rug.Bubbalo wrote:
Third: They weren't careless. They knew they were killing civilians. They did it anyway.
looks like someone just saw the movie jarhead.... not entirely true bubbles... sorry... also, children with weapons in a combat zone is nothing new. do a little research... NOT saying that these children had weapons, just saying that it is nothing new.... having been in a combat roll while in the US Army i know this all to well.RicardoBlanco wrote:
..it's the dead kids that shocked me. americans killing civilians is nothing new, we shouldn't be surprised, but however much you want to justify the killings (for whatever reason) the kids should have been left out of it. Like I said in another post, you can't expect too much from bored/undertrained/undisciplined rednecks when the red mist descends.
what unit were you in?[pWa]Recon wrote:
looks like someone just saw the movie jarhead.... not entirely true bubbles... sorry... also, children with weapons in a combat zone is nothing new. do a little research... NOT saying that these children had weapons, just saying that it is nothing new.... having been in a combat roll while in the US Army i know this all to well.RicardoBlanco wrote:
..it's the dead kids that shocked me. americans killing civilians is nothing new, we shouldn't be surprised, but however much you want to justify the killings (for whatever reason) the kids should have been left out of it. Like I said in another post, you can't expect too much from bored/undertrained/undisciplined rednecks when the red mist descends.
~Recon
There was an outrage. Nightly News dedicated weeks of reports to this one incident and the assault on Fallujah itself. I remember watching it.Darth_Fleder wrote:
Images from Fallujah.
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6804/bodysmall15zj.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/1503 … ll38ap.jpg
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/8823/bodysmall21fq.jpg
In a highly publicized attack on March 31, 2004, four private military contractors from the U.S. company Blackwater USA were dragged from their vehicle and killed. Their bodies were then mutilated and burned. A crowd of militants and townsfolk, estimated to number over a thousand, beat and dragged the burnt corpses behind automobiles, then hanged the dismembered remains from the girders of one of Fallujah's two bridges over the Euphrates River (known previously as "the old bridge", but now as "the Blackwater bridge" and to the Marines as "the Brooklyn Bridge").
Where is the outrage?
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Man, you should get that link off of there....it is appropriately marked with warnings, yes, but there are definately people on here who should not see that (and they will).Darth_Fleder wrote:
Amazing, simply amazing. Where were these howls for the sanctity of human life when the Kurds were being gassed? When al-Zarkawi was beheading civilians and bombing hotels? When Arab teens strap bombs to themselves and blow up bus loads of civilians?
You people are inconsistent in your professed outrage and thus you expose your bias. You have no deep convictions against the slaughter of civilians, only a desire to highlight any perceived error on the part of the U.S.
These insurgents use the civilian population as cover and thus it is they who bear the responsibility of bringing harm to those that they hide amongst. Where is your outrage at these cowardly tactics? Where is your outrage when these cowards blow up Iraqi civilians on a regular basis? When they round up those whom they suspect of collaborating with coalition forces and execute them?
WARNING-WARNING_WARNING The following link is EXTREMELY graphic. It depicts the nature of the insurgents and what they are capable of.
