Snoogans84
Member
+1|7006
So sup, should I give up a vehicle to anyone who says they want it, or just those with clan tags.
BudRell
Member
+2|7084|Home
Clan clowns are always spoiled fps-games.
They do it first, most and last.
If you have to belong to some L33tWank3rs club + have teamspeak ( = use someone to explain what to do because you do not have any idea..) + have "own" server and STILL use some idiotic aliases to play a simple game...I would suggest buying some brains from next weekly pocket money.

There should be instant autokick from demanding someone get out of a chopper or jet or whatever. "Get OUT..! permanently.."
ayb
Member
+0|7002|Orlando, FL

Sud wrote:

ayb wrote:

gunning in the atack chopper is one of the few things you CAN'T practice on your own. thank god idiots like sud are in the minority.
Idiotic minority? More like idiotic majority, such as yourself.
idotic majority. that made sense. now tell me how you're rubber and i'm glue...

Sud wrote:

#1 Rule of public servers: do what it takes to help YOUR TEAM win.
sounds like somebody has pub play and clan play confused.

Sud wrote:

They ignore flags, they never pick support classes, they have TKathons on their own heli pad, and I can't even get out of my vehicle to repair it without them making a mad dash to it to try to take it for themselves.
you're right, i never ever play support medic or engineer http://bf2s.com/player/ayb/
Game*
Jihad!
+0|7051
same shit has happaned to me... and it just leaves u to think... u r in a PUBLIC server there is no such thing as being with ur friend unless he gets in fair and square if u r in a priv clan server thats diff. But pub server like come on guys what the fuck?
fikraag7
j00baroni w/ l33t sauce
+1|7002

Sud wrote:

Engineers suck
I really beg to differ...I have been playin as a engineer and the pump-action shotguns rock! They're the only true "one shot, one kill" weapons. They don't have armor, yeah, but neither do the medic, spec ops, or sniper. Besides dude, you haven't even played for 8 hours yet...and you're a lance corporal. STFU, idiot.
Sud
Member
+0|6994
idotic majority. that made sense. now tell me how you're rubber and i'm glue...
For the benefit of the slow and the mentally challenged, the sheep that are the idiotic masses, such as yourself, believe that they take priority over better suited teammates in vehicles, listen to Britney spears, smoke pot because "dur it's cool" and are trying to figure out how they can get George Bush in for a third term in office.

sounds like somebody has pub play and clan play confused.
Sounds like somebody has ranked and unranked server play confused. If you want to be a detriment and a little annoyance, go do it on a server where your team doesn't get punished for it.

you're right, i never ever play support medic or engineer http://bf2s.com/player/ayb/
Yeah, and mediocrely at that. I will give you props for breaking the magic 1:1 ratio though. Still wouldn't want you on my team though, knowing you I'd catch you on a day where you were working towards your "super hyper mega elite christmas edition knife combat" badge.

I really beg to differ...I have been playin as a engineer and the pump-action shotguns rock! They're the only true "one shot, one kill" weapons.
Except of course a ton of stuff aimed for the head.

Besides dude, you haven't even played for 8 hours yet...and you're a lance corporal. STFU, idiot.
Yeah, I actually have room for improvement. You on the other hand, have worked long and hard to establish your mediocrity, and there you will stay.
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7068|Delaware
So Sud, seeing as how you love your teamplay, would you care to explain why it is that you play as a Lone Wolf Engineer (a class that you deem sucky and worthless) whoring the tank on the same map doing the same thing every time? I know you must live on teamwork and helping your team with your teamwork score of 41 in 7 hours of play. I idolize you in every way for your hypocrisy. By the way, when is that whole "room for improvement" thing going to kick in? Your SPM has gradually reduced as of late
Sud
Member
+0|6994
Actually as of late I've been leadering so people can attach to me (though it makes me not want to do so when they attach, run under my vehicle, then punish). I play Karkand, Wetlands, Oman, Dragon Valley, and Songhua, obviously more ground oriented because I believe that the air vehicle balance in this game is very questionable. There is no such thing as "tank whoring", as a good anti tank will outright halt a tank and a sneaky specops can practically insta kill it. If you want the specifics though, I rarely get the tank (it's a newbie favorite on maps with little air) I'm actually an APC specialist.

Psst, Engineers get PIDDLY points for repairing, but I do it whenever there's a damaged allied vehicle around. They don't have a "bag" they can throw around, nor do they have anything special like resurrect to assist them in teamwork points. APCs generally don't attract gunners, so I won't be getting any driver assist points either. I will, however, goad the entire team into switching to anti-tank making them easy targets for my team who capture every objective. There's a reason I have 0 losses logged in Karkand.

Btw, nice purple heart Systray. Please do tell the servers you play on, for I'd like to help you gain another!
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7068|Delaware

Sud wrote:

Actually as of late I've been leadering so people can attach to me (though it makes me not want to do so when they attach, run under my vehicle, then punish). I play Karkand, Wetlands, Oman, Dragon Valley, and Songhua, obviously more ground oriented because I believe that the air vehicle balance in this game is very questionable. There is no such thing as "tank whoring", as a good anti tank will outright halt a tank and a sneaky specops can practically insta kill it. If you want the specifics though, I rarely get the tank (it's a newbie favorite on maps with little air) I'm actually an APC specialist.

Psst, Engineers get PIDDLY points for repairing, but I do it whenever there's a damaged allied vehicle around. They don't have a "bag" they can throw around, nor do they have anything special like resurrect to assist them in teamwork points. APCs generally don't attract gunners, so I won't be getting any driver assist points either. I will, however, goad the entire team into switching to anti-tank making them easy targets for my team who capture every objective. There's a reason I have 0 losses logged in Karkand.

Btw, nice purple heart Systray. Please do tell the servers you play on, for I'd like to help you gain another!
You missed the whole point of my little story. The Engineer is not a teamwork oriented class for the most part. I'm telling you that you need to play something else if you want to preach about teamwork.

You can whore a tank, and as a side note to that: APCs are tanks in my book, seeing as you get credit towards "Armor" awards for being in them. Whoring consists of going straight back to that vehicle after you die in it. Not spawning near the front lines, but rather all the way back so you can get your last hoorah in. Your kills are almost all in armor, and I think that killing only 2.70 people before you die consitutes a run back to the armor spawn.

As for Engineers and their piddly repair points: While I agree that you should be able to turn your arm at warp speed to repair a flaming piece of metal with the wrench, I don't think it's piddly at all. Repair commander assets instead of sitting in a tank the whole round. I can get 2 for repairing a UAV Trailer to full health; you can too.

Your 0 losses in Karkand are a result of luck. Luck that you have a team good enough to compensate for your lack of teamwork. If I'm in a tank, I still make a Squad and capture flags; It really does help.

My purple heart is a result of 5 kills and 20 deaths, most likely as a commander one round repairing and healing or whatever. Maybe sitting in the open on the commander screen. That's not a hard feat to accomplish, and as a direct result of dying: I get an award. It's just another one that shows that I don't kill and only kill to help my team, and that I actually run around and help.

The servers I play on? I have no clue. I try to get on a server before it starts so I have time to get a feel for the opposition and my team that is already there, y'know...see who does what and conform to that. Look at my most played maps, look for servers on those maps that haven't started yet...I'll be there. I'll be glad to help you in your ever awesome quest for the best team player.
fikraag7
j00baroni w/ l33t sauce
+1|7002

Sud wrote:

fikraag7 wrote:

Besides dude, you haven't even played for 8 hours yet...and you're a lance corporal. STFU, idiot.
Yeah, I actually have room for improvement. You on the other hand, have worked long and hard to establish your mediocrity, and there you will stay.
Hmmm...mediocre? I don't think I quite understand...when my stats are far better than your's, and I don't whore in vehicles...why am I mediocre compared to a tank whore? You have, what, 29 kills with guns?
Sud
Member
+0|6994
You missed the whole point of my little story. The Engineer is not a teamwork oriented class for the most part. I'm telling you that you need to play something else if you want to preach about teamwork.
Oh yes, pushing back enemy lines and removing attacking enemy vehicles doesn't help the team whatsoever. Your story lacks a point to miss.

You can whore a tank, and as a side note to that: APCs are tanks in my book, seeing as you get credit towards "Armor" awards for being in them. Whoring consists of going straight back to that vehicle after you die in it. Not spawning near the front lines, but rather all the way back so you can get your last hoorah in. Your kills are almost all in armor, and I think that killing only 2.70 people before you die consitutes a run back to the armor spawn.
Once again, there is no such thing as "tank whoring". Anti-tanks more than counter attacking vehicles. Just because you think anything should have a 50% chance of dying when you come running around a corner holding down the fire button doesn't mean that it's some kind of abuse when they don't. Don't cry because you lack the common sense to change kits when the situation calls for it. Other people sure do, as they quickly grow tired of my APC and it's a common greeting to come down a road to 4 rockets streaking out to greet me. In any case, APCs and Tanks are nothing alike, and the fact that you'd lump them together as the same thing shows your inexperience in using them.

BTW, why are you in a thread about vehicle usage, agreeing with someone who wanted to use a vehicle but was denied, when you think using a vehicle is "whoring"? UH OH looks like you have a logical fallacy here bud.

As for Engineers and their piddly repair points: While I agree that you should be able to turn your arm at warp speed to repair a flaming piece of metal with the wrench, I don't think it's piddly at all. Repair commander assets instead of sitting in a tank the whole round. I can get 2 for repairing a UAV Trailer to full health; you can too.
I hate to break this to you, but your two points is better earned killing someone on the front line, especially in the same timespan you can do it 6-7 times in heated combat. The commander doesn't need you to do the job a box can do quite fine. If people are blowing up commander assets, perhaps it's time your team adapted by sending someone out to prevent the specops from doing it. It only takes about 3-4 deaths en route to discourage the average specops player from bothering to come and c4 resources, unless those are in a heavilly travelled route.

Your 0 losses in Karkand are a result of luck. Luck that you have a team good enough to compensate for your lack of teamwork. If I'm in a tank, I still make a Squad and capture flags; It really does help.
I guarantee you, I don't get games where people bend over for me (cough purple heart). Luck is something used to describe how you've managed to keep a positive ratio.

My purple heart is a result of 5 kills and 20 deaths, most likely as a commander one round repairing and healing or whatever. Maybe sitting in the open on the commander screen. That's not a hard feat to accomplish, and as a direct result of dying: I get an award. It's just another one that shows that I don't kill and only kill to help my team, and that I actually run around and help.
Such eloquence for the "biggest newbie who was fighting back just enough to not be considered stat padding" award. You can polish a turd, I suppose, but it's still a turd.

Hmmm...mediocre? I don't think I quite understand...when my stats are far better than your's, and I don't whore in vehicles...why am I mediocre compared to a tank whore? You have, what, 29 kills with guns?
My armor rating is higher than yours overall due to a higher KPS, almost the same ratio, and the fact I almost exclusively use APC, which I believe to be somewhat weaker than tank (certainly prone to a lot more deaths due to its lower hitpoints). You also likely are not enough of a threat that you illicit the response from the enemy team that I commonly do, which is generally a mass exodus to the anti-tank class.
dshak
Member
+4|7060
well, you pretty much lost my sympathy the very second you admitted to Tking in the past for vehicles. To me that ranks right up there with hacking in turns of crap. sorry
fikraag7
j00baroni w/ l33t sauce
+1|7002

Hey Trigger, don't you just love idiots who flame?
Sud
Member
+0|6994
I'm sure trigger loves you to pieces Fir.

At any rate, I've been the only one to offer anything resembling logical debate in this "discussion", the rest of you have really just been whining about the most irrelavent of things (ie. vehicle "whoring" [that term still gives me a chuckle], how you feel your own personal entitlement supercedes others, etc.) so I will save you the therapy bills and bow away peaceably from this collective troupe of chimps now flinging crap at me. As the thread states "have it your way", lol.
ayb
Member
+0|7002|Orlando, FL

Sud wrote:

idotic majority. that made sense. now tell me how you're rubber and i'm glue...
For the benefit of the slow and the mentally challenged, the sheep that are the idiotic masses, such as yourself, believe that they take priority over better suited teammates in vehicles, listen to Britney spears, smoke pot because "dur it's cool" and are trying to figure out how they can get George Bush in for a third term in office.
it must be nice to live inside your own head, where you and you alone are the arbiter of who is "better suited" and who gets preferential treatment. luckily the rest of us live in a little place i like to call reality. you should visit.

btw http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=mediocrely
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7068|Delaware
If the APC is effective enough to continously push back enemy lines at an exponential rate, why is it that you deem an Anti-Tank more than able to counter attack a vehicle? You're contradicting youself. You can't have an effective APC with equally as effective Anti-Tanks...

I have more than enough common sense to change kits, as shown by my time using them all. As for you, well, I can't say the same. APCs and Tanks are alike enough to be grouped as armor, and thus should be trated as one group. They are about equally as effective when used right. I can get 40 kills with either one in a round, but I can't say the same for you.

The first thought in this thread was anti-whoring. He wanted a chance to use the vehicle and should be allowed. Never did I say that using a vehicle once and awhile is whoring. Having it your primary means of gaming, THAT is whoring.

Here's a thought. Engineers are meant to repair things. The commander would not have a "Get repair to this posistion" message if it wasn't required every once and awhile. I'm not saying live near his assets. But I'm sure those supplies could be used for far better purposes than sitting there next to an artillery cannon. (waiting for the SpecOps unit nearby to come up, re-arm, and repeat the process).

How do you figure that people bent over for me to GET the purple heart? That's the most useless statement I've ever heard. If people were "bending over" for me I sure wouldn't have gotten a 1:4 K/D that round. Whereas you who has yet to get that award have not yet met a force that hasn't bent over all the way.

I kept a positive ratio by playing better...period. Look at the graph and tell me what you see. An increasing line? Maybe you haven't yet learned that in Pre-Algebra. In any event I've played better and gotten a better Ratio. As well as my SPM, which has gone down for you.

"Such eloquence for the "biggest newbie who was fighting back just enough to not be considered stat padding" award." What? Really...what? How is the purple heart even associated with stat padding? It means that you've been busting your ass on the front line reviving, resupplying, and repeating, you know...that teamwork stuff. You on the other hand are closer to being a stat padder. Sitting behind a steel plate shooting infantry instead of going head on.

And on a final note, I noticed you mentioned me lacking experience. Is that why I have close to 200 hours logged total (over 20 times more than you) and almost 35 hours logged in armor? (over 8 times more than you) I have more time in both total, yet my Time in Armor/Time total does not exceed you. I'm not an armor whore, yet I have more experience.

The words "whore" and "experience" are both in the dictionary. Look them up.
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7068|Delaware

Sud wrote:

I'm sure trigger loves you to pieces Fir.

At any rate, I've been the only one to offer anything resembling logical debate in this "discussion", the rest of you have really just been whining about the most irrelavent of things (ie. vehicle "whoring" [that term still gives me a chuckle], how you feel your own personal entitlement supercedes others, etc.) so I will save you the therapy bills and bow away peaceably from this collective troupe of chimps now flinging crap at me. As the thread states "have it your way", lol.
And on another note: You can't have a debate if there aren't two logical sides. Have a nice life.
chickenmuncher
Member
+2|6998| U.S.A.
I usually work together with my friend, I fly he guns. I let him have the kills whille I consintrate on not hitting anything or dodging fire. It works well becuase my friends has to computers side by side. When I jump in the pilot seat and another unknow guy gets in, I tell him to bail out, if he disagrees (most the time) I type to them and say please jump out and let my friend in(we are normaly on the top of the list in the server). Most the time they do, if they don't I pick up and tell my friend to wait, I fly to another base, even enemy, and get him his own helicopter then fly back for my friend. You did the wrong thing for tk him on purpose more then needed, they were working together to have fun, no reason to get mad.
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7036|Singapore

Dshak:

but if it has been done to you before? I got shot THRICE running to a jet, so I respawned as spec ops SPECIALLY and made a beeline to tk the jet to blow it kingdoms come, or if he was already off (he didn't really know how to take off i see. never found the s button on his keyboard), i made a beeline for the essex guns to blown him down. Does that place me up there?

Sud:

for someone who has 700 points i don't think you yak counts for much. Ratios etc are all alot better when you have so little games under your belt. You haven't fought tooth and nail for anything yet.

Engineers make good drivers, many a time when my tank is on the verge of destruction and an engineer ferrying teammates in a jeep pulls up beside me, it can't help but bring a smile to my face. I've had gunners in my tank who'd come out and repair me in the middle of a firefight, cover my tail with an AT mine etc. I've been saved by more than one jihad jeep by engineers hopping off my tank and putting a mine behind.

I don't claim to be any great shakes at shottie combat (I haven't even unlocked the jackhammer yet). But from what little I have played, the shottie is one kickass weapon. i'm playing engineer more and more nowadays, the chinese shottie is a beautiful ALMOST one shot kill, where you can change to pistol and finish him off fast. How is keeping friendly armor alive NOT supportive?

Systray:

I tend to agree with you more, but I resent some of the ocmments you make. You on the other hand are closer to being a stat padder. Sitting behind a steel plate shooting infantry instead of going head on. Is this HIS theory or your theory? So this is supposed to be fair now? You don't stab people in the back, you wait for them to turn around and have a fair fight? You don't blast the guy running to the tank, you wait for him to get in so you can have a fair tankfight? That's pure bullshit.

Secondly, SPM. Does SCORE really matter so much? My SPM has been dropping constantly across the past week, simply because I've been playing more engineer (supporting my mates), and flying fighters to protect our lone bomber (i finally learnt to fly well!) Does that make me n00b?
safshep
What's so special about titles anyway?
+40|6994|Minnesota, USA
Wow.  I have never seen someone post with so much hypocracy as Sud.  I love how you claim people with low kill per death ratios have no knowledge of the game.  I have seen people that have logged 500 hours of playing and have k/d ratios under .5..... do you think they have no knowledge of the game?  I have played around 60 hours or so and there are a few maps i know inside and out, but the majority of the maps I still have a lot to learn.  And I'm still trying to figure out which weapons work best for certain situations.  Call me a "noob" if you must, and I will accept your compliment with as much grace and dignity as I can muster up to a person like you.
So next time you go all high and mighty, please do so in a forum where no one will read the crap you think up, or go talk to a shrink.
kilroy0097
Kilroy Is Here!
+81|7090|Bryan/College Station, TX
All I got to say is...

https://ops.tamu.edu/kilroy/BF2S/CarFlames.jpg
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
dshak
Member
+4|7060
I dont think you should TK over vehicles, and if someone is being a jackass then I would suggest first trying to report him to an administrator (which has never, ever, EVER worked for me, yet  sadly still I try), and secondly, I'd either leave the server because who wants to play with a jackass, or switch teams and make it my personal mission to kill the guy every time possible.

I think TKing for vehicles is just assinine behavior, but you know, in the end, if some punk has whacked you three or for times just to get that tank or jet, I guess I can see how the frustration could build. For me, high scores or big stats don't mean as much, which means I tend to spend a lot less time in vehicles, or fighting over them... so I guess in the end I'm really not qualified to coment on it!

and before anyone yells at me for that last point about big scores and whatnot, I find nothing MORE valuable than a pilot or tank commander who is skilled with his asset and uses it for a good TEAM cause... but unfortunately I find most are stat whores who just want to get lots of points. Example, many fighter pilots are too busy hunting down tanks, apcs, etc...  when what they should be hunting are choppers and enemy jets which are making life hell for their team. or the guy who grabs the tank and goes and spawn camps, all the while I'm using a friggin slingshot against an enemy tank as I try to defend a control point! If you don't fit in that category then you can just ignore my comment about scores and stats, and good for you!

PS. I think there should be slingshots in this game. whisssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... ping! Dshak kills enemy (slingshot)

Last edited by dshak (2005-11-06 20:58:39)

Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7021|Noizyland

I once told my chopper pilot to get out. It was called for. I trusted the guy twice and he had done some bloody stupid tricks so he could destroy a tank. He'd killed me, so I reasonably asked him to get out. Asshole started swearing at me and flew off and, (apparently,) intentionally killed us. He said intentional, but the way he'd been flying, I really didn't think so.

I've been on the other end of this. I'm not sure if it was right or not. The way you've been beating up GotMex? who knows. I was training my mate into playing BF2. I flew, he gunned. A guy kept taking the chopper though. A real chopper-whore. crashed every five minutes. I got in the pilot seat and waitied for my mate. Just before he could get in, this wanker who continually danced around the airfield jumped in. I asked him to get out, explained the situation. He said a bunch of 'Fuck you's so I thought, okay, what the hell, apologised to my mate, said I'd be back. Well, we did fairly well for a while, killing guys, (me,) capturing flags, (me,) until I got a lag strike - a short unfortunate bout of strong unexplained lag. It caused the chopper to crash unfortunatly.
Holy fuck.
This guy exploded! This guy who'd been crashing around the map all the time was blaming ME for killing him. I explained what haponed but he was having none of it.
Me and my mate, who had been very patiant, had had enough.
Next time we spawned, my mate promtly shot him. More yelling.
Score: 1:1
We were perfectly prepared to let it go now. In my books, that's even. I communicated this idea to him.
Next time he drove a jeep to the airfield and ran us both over.
Score: 1:3
Next time we danced around a bit, shooting playful shots at each other. He got the worst of it and died.
Score: 2:3
He tried the jeep game again. Fucked if I was ging to let him get away with it again. I shot him out of the drivers seat. About time I took a leading role, my mate had done the rest of the teamkilling.
Score: 3:3
I said to my mate, "Fuck it, let him take the bloody thing," as we had already clearly won the map.
My mate was upset. He'd wanted to kill the guy again. I told him not to worry. The score was even, (I was keeping track,) but I had got used to killing him now.
Hell; it was fun!
The guy, who had calmed down a bit accepted my apology and gratefully got into the pilot seat.
I waited until he got far above us when I blew the C4.
Woah! If I thoght the C4 made a bang it was nothing compared to this guy. I could hardly see the screen through the yelling he typed.
Score: 4:3 - Game over.

Fucking hilarious. I think we both had fun but, who knows. Maybe it was just me.

Maybe not the best teamwork, but a fucking good time.

Last edited by Tyferra (2005-11-06 21:10:49)

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jax
Member
+12|7014
sud i can tell u r really great in bf2 with huge amounts of expierence (7:00 hours) but mabey uv never been in a suation like this.like i was in  a choper with 4 mates at an internet cafe but when we let some random fly for us and we r most definitly not crap piolets we apsolutley owned. just because ur not with someone dosnt mean that the bigest group get the best vehciles and u dont simply becasue u can talk to each other. it is called commands.
jax
Member
+12|7014
oh yea and sud ur sats r really crap. wats ur win loss ratio, it must be above 3 with all of this brilliant team play u talk about

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