You guys kidding me?? The most i see is criticism is soccer players, brazilian, and foreign players...
america is a great country..quit the paranoia.
america is a great country..quit the paranoia.
Poll
How much do you love/hate the USA? (I am a(n)...)
| American who unapologetically loves America | 30% | 30% - 100 | ||||
| American who loves america, just not American policy | 17% | 17% - 56 | ||||
| non-American who is sympathetic to Americans | 14% | 14% - 47 | ||||
| American who has become disillusioned by America | 5% | 5% - 17 | ||||
| American who would leave if it weren't a hassle to. | 3% | 3% - 10 | ||||
| non-American who hates Americans. | 17% | 17% - 59 | ||||
| American or American't...makes no difference to me | 11% | 11% - 39 | ||||
| Total: 328 | ||||||
WTF are you talking about? The Civil War or the Revolutionary war? I am by no means a(n) historian, but as far as I know all 13 colonies fought in the Revolutionary War against the British, although there were some colonists that fought on the side of the Brits. It was not a fight between the north and the south.Vilham wrote:
You broke away from england thanks to other europians that didnt like england. some of the english generals were retards anyway. anyway tbh that wasnt a war with england, that was a war between americans, north and south on side just happened to want to stay connected to england's governing, this was an envitable break up anyway the distances are just too great. even with our ownage navy.
why dont you say Military instead. and what makes you such an expert on US military doctrine, i wanna hear this.
Oh so I have to have a degree in military studies to form an opinion now do I? It's a subject I'm interested in and I watch a lot of well made documentaries along with the daily news reels and please don't insult my intelligence by telling me about the bias and sensationalism that the media puts into its stories, I'm intelligent enoughto cut the wheat from the chaff. I'm basing my opinions from not one, but many interviews I've seen with many US soldiers, British soldiers and Iraqi citizens (and before you say it, too many to be isolated incidents) and I'm sorry if it upsets or offends you but there are SOME (please note that word and don't accuse me of blanketing..) US soldiers at the bottom levels that have cleary been recruited when they don't have the aptitude. Sure they wanna fire guns at people but they don't have a clue about the Iraqi's perception of them (again I feel I have to reiterate SOME!).GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
why dont you say Military instead. and what makes you such an expert on US military doctrine, i wanna hear this.
I can't be arsed looking back at your history but I'm guessing you were/are in the US military right? If so, you will have much more knowledge on this subject than me; but it also makes you extremely biased and understandably defensive. I mean, if I had my president and all the chains of command above me telling me everyday that I was part of the best army (sorry military) in the World, I would want to defend that stance when an outsider challanges that.
Let's be reasonable here, I want to hear your honest experiences of how the US armies were treated in comparison to the British. There have been hostilities and open arms for both militaries but what's the overall picture? I'm not looking to boast I genuinly want to know because you've been there (I think???)
I rarely came across Brits when I was in country so I really cant share from any first hand experiences. We would bump into British patrols occasionally, but it was more like a wave and a greeting and continue mission. I would love to get into this further right now, but I got a mean old final I gotta do in 3 hours so Im crammin
Sorry i meant east and west which is pretty much what it was. You will actually find that alot of colonists died on the british side, the british army didnt lose many troops and that is why not much of the revolution is taught in our history classes.atlvolunteer wrote:
WTF are you talking about? The Civil War or the Revolutionary war? I am by no means a(n) historian, but as far as I know all 13 colonies fought in the Revolutionary War against the British, although there were some colonists that fought on the side of the Brits. It was not a fight between the north and the south.Vilham wrote:
You broke away from england thanks to other europians that didnt like england. some of the english generals were retards anyway. anyway tbh that wasnt a war with england, that was a war between americans, north and south on side just happened to want to stay connected to england's governing, this was an envitable break up anyway the distances are just too great. even with our ownage navy.
This is how the other euros helped the rebel states defeat the british.
"The American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), also known as the American War of Independence,[1] was a war between Great Britain and revolutionaries within thirteen British colonies, who declared their independence as the United States of America in 1776. The war was the culmination of the American Revolution, a colonial struggle against political and economic policies of the British Empire. The war eventually widened far beyond British North America; many Native Americans also fought on both sides of the conflict.
Throughout the war, the British were able to use their naval superiority to capture and occupy coastal cities, but control of the countryside (where most of the population lived) largely eluded them. After an American victory at Saratoga in 1777, France, Spain, and the Netherlands entered the war against Great Britain. French involvement proved decisive, with a naval victory in the Chesapeake leading to the surrender of a British army at Yorktown in 1781. The Treaty of Paris in 1783 recognized the independence of the United States."
OK. Just so we're clear. I won't argue that we didn't get help from other European countries, mainly France.Vilham wrote:
Sorry i meant east and west which is pretty much what it was. You will actually find that alot of colonists died on the british side, the british army didnt lose many troops and that is why not much of the revolution is taught in our history classes.atlvolunteer wrote:
WTF are you talking about? The Civil War or the Revolutionary war? I am by no means a(n) historian, but as far as I know all 13 colonies fought in the Revolutionary War against the British, although there were some colonists that fought on the side of the Brits. It was not a fight between the north and the south.Vilham wrote:
You broke away from england thanks to other europians that didnt like england. some of the english generals were retards anyway. anyway tbh that wasnt a war with england, that was a war between americans, north and south on side just happened to want to stay connected to england's governing, this was an envitable break up anyway the distances are just too great. even with our ownage navy.
This is how the other euros helped the rebel states defeat the british.
"The American Revolutionary War (1775–1783), also known as the American War of Independence,[1] was a war between Great Britain and revolutionaries within thirteen British colonies, who declared their independence as the United States of America in 1776. The war was the culmination of the American Revolution, a colonial struggle against political and economic policies of the British Empire. The war eventually widened far beyond British North America; many Native Americans also fought on both sides of the conflict.
Throughout the war, the British were able to use their naval superiority to capture and occupy coastal cities, but control of the countryside (where most of the population lived) largely eluded them. After an American victory at Saratoga in 1777, France, Spain, and the Netherlands entered the war against Great Britain. French involvement proved decisive, with a naval victory in the Chesapeake leading to the surrender of a British army at Yorktown in 1781. The Treaty of Paris in 1783 recognized the independence of the United States."
Civil war was north v South. The war of INDEPENDANCE was against the Britsatlvolunteer wrote:
WTF are you talking about? The Civil War or the Revolutionary war? I am by no means a(n) historian, but as far as I know all 13 colonies fought in the Revolutionary War against the British, although there were some colonists that fought on the side of the Brits. It was not a fight between the north and the south.Vilham wrote:
You broke away from england thanks to other europians that didnt like england. some of the english generals were retards anyway. anyway tbh that wasnt a war with england, that was a war between americans, north and south on side just happened to want to stay connected to england's governing, this was an envitable break up anyway the distances are just too great. even with our ownage navy.
The war of independance was the first time anyone used "gurrila" tactics against trhe brits, and helped win the war.
Here's the reason the US and the UK disagree on these things. It's all in the teaching......(and don't neg karma me for this, it's supposed to be satirical!!!)
American Revolutionary War, as taught in America
One day the brave people of this great land that is the US of A decided they were tired of being supressed by the evil British so they started a 'war on terror'. The might of the ethnically superior American was too much for the Brits and pretty soon they had killed all of them. Only two Britons survived a man with a cockney accent and bad teeth, and an ugly woman. Niether of them can cook and all of Britain's inhabitants nowadays are their offspring. So, we got freedom, FREEDOM goddamit, land of the free (unless you are (a)poor, (b)seeking an abortion or (c) a muslim with a phone line), GOD BLESS AMERICA, FUCK THE WORLD, JUST BLESS AMERICA!!!!!
American Revolutionary War, as taught in Britain
One day the pikeys (I don't use the term 'gypos' anymore because it isn't politically correct), convicts and and allround oddballs that we sent to live in America stopped paying their taxes and started a war on on us. Like the sissies they are they waited until we were busy fighting wars elsewhere and had to get their friends the French and the Dutch to help them out, and they still lost a lot of troops. Anyway, if the outcome of the war is defined on land gained, Britain won the war as Canada is clearly much larger than the US.
American Revolutionary War, as taught in America
One day the brave people of this great land that is the US of A decided they were tired of being supressed by the evil British so they started a 'war on terror'. The might of the ethnically superior American was too much for the Brits and pretty soon they had killed all of them. Only two Britons survived a man with a cockney accent and bad teeth, and an ugly woman. Niether of them can cook and all of Britain's inhabitants nowadays are their offspring. So, we got freedom, FREEDOM goddamit, land of the free (unless you are (a)poor, (b)seeking an abortion or (c) a muslim with a phone line), GOD BLESS AMERICA, FUCK THE WORLD, JUST BLESS AMERICA!!!!!
American Revolutionary War, as taught in Britain
One day the pikeys (I don't use the term 'gypos' anymore because it isn't politically correct), convicts and and allround oddballs that we sent to live in America stopped paying their taxes and started a war on on us. Like the sissies they are they waited until we were busy fighting wars elsewhere and had to get their friends the French and the Dutch to help them out, and they still lost a lot of troops. Anyway, if the outcome of the war is defined on land gained, Britain won the war as Canada is clearly much larger than the US.
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incorrect. sorry but you gotta brush up on your colonial history. Frech and Indian WarsJinto-sk wrote:
The war of independance was the first time anyone used "gurrila" tactics against trhe brits, and helped win the war.
Strange people in this thread.
I will certainly read more.
I will certainly read more.
are you an idiot or what? war between north and south was civil war, study BEFORE you start criticizing the people who saved you in WWII... and the kerry supporters included the 13 colonies who fought AGAINST jolly old england... i have nothing against brits, just ones who think they're superior to everyone else... and it's not our fault your country couldnt keep control of it's colonies around the world, we can keep control of all 50 of them (plus protectorates, and the like. ie. puerto rico, etc) Like I said, brush up on you American history before you go ranting on and on about our patriotic nation. and i thought you said that was your last post... GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!Vilham wrote:
you know whats funny, the majority of the kerry states are the ones that didnt want to break away from england.cailuc wrote:
I like America because they brighten my day with stats like these
http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm
my point about governing is that your country is too large to be governed effectively because the east side is different hugely to the west side.
You broke away from england thanks to other europians that didnt like england. some of the english generals were retards anyway. anyway tbh that wasnt a war with england, that was a war between americans, north and south on side just happened to want to stay connected to england's governing, this was an envitable break up anyway the distances are just too great. even with our ownage navy.
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I just find it funny that you mention this but are named after a character who has almost never respected anyone's constitutional rights (and is loved for it). Situational irony or something I guess, I completely agree with you and everything but seeing that letter and then with the signature... well it just killed me.Jack Bauer wrote:
I like living in America. I haven't ever lived in a different country though, so maybe I would be happier somewhere else. The only thing that bothers me right now is that I don't know where we're headed as a society. It seems like corporations control everything because money controls everything. Democracy and respecting peoples constitutional RIGHTS doesn't seem to be on any of the politicians agenda anymore.
So, all in all, not impressed with the current state of politics, but I am generally content for the moment.
Regards,
Jack Bauer
You're correct with everything you posted after from the textbook/article but I still do not know what you mean by east/west. The colonial population was quite mixed, but this didn't differ across geographical lines. There were Tories who wanted to remain loyal to Britain throughout the colonies (although maybe you are suggesting there were a few more rich ass plantation owners in the far south or something whereas merchants from the north opposed British taxes enough to cast their lot in with the rebels oftentimes) and there were many. Out west was largely undeveloped and unoccupied Indian territory and virtually no colonists, but there were a few minor battles out there (like Vincennes i believe). The war started in the north and many of the more famous battles took place there, perhaps that is what you mean.Vilham wrote:
Sorry i meant east and west which is pretty much what it was. You will actually find that alot of colonists died on the British side, the British army didn't lose many troops and that is why not much of the revolution is taught in our history classes.
I don't understand your second statement either and am genuinely curious what you are referring to. Tories enlisted in the British Army, but they were killed as British soldiers, most casualties for Britain were British soldiers or the occasional mercenary (many of them from Hesse, Germany). I don't understand how your statement can make sense on any level since
A. from the Brit POV, Tories would be British colonists, as would rebels
B. there is no way that lobsterbacks born in the US died in higher rates than good old modern-day British boys given they would have had the same training and not really been in separate units/armies/situations because it would have been fairly integrated
I'd say that the reason you don't spend much time on the American Revolution is partly because you have a long history of wars and conflicts/struggles and for the same reason you don't go over the war of 1812 or that time you lost a major battle to the Zulus, you did not win. Don't get me wrong, the US doesn't bring up Vietnam and other debated conflicts all that much in their history classes. Lower level history here is usually either WWII, Civil War, Rev. War because the other ones just really aren't that important or fun to talk about because there's a lack of interest/caring. More advanced history courses will do all of US history, but I can see how England would have to rush a few conflicts here and there (were you guys ever not at war?). Hell, in Texas (an incredibly self-absorbed US state) they teach "Texas history" and love to brag about having been an independent country, even if it was for about 9 years and even a place like Vermont (VERMONT!) were independent countries for a longer period of time.
Jesus tap dancing christ this thread is still going! Does anyone realy give a shit?
I love it when people tell other people to study and then post a load of old tripe themselves,littlecheez9 wrote:
are you an idiot or what? war between north and south was civil war, study BEFORE you start criticizing the people who saved you in WWII... and the kerry supporters included the 13 colonies who fought AGAINST jolly old england... i have nothing against brits, just ones who think they're superior to everyone else... and it's not our fault your country couldnt keep control of it's colonies around the world, we can keep control of all 50 of them (plus protectorates, and the like. ie. puerto rico, etc) Like I said, brush up on you American history before you go ranting on and on about our patriotic nation. and i thought you said that was your last post... GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
"BEFORE you start criticizing the people who saved you in WWII"
Two things wrong with this, it implies that America did the most to end the war and that without America, Britain (seeing as you were talking to a Brit) would have been invaded. Concerning the latter, most experts in this subject would agree that even without US intervention it would have been highly unlikely that Britain would have been invaded, After the RAF kicked their asses in the Battle Of Britian, Hitler called off his intented operation to invade (nothing to do with the US). On the "who won the war" question, unless you're Russian, I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I challange you to bring me a repspected historian that says if he had to credit one ally with doing the most to destroy the German army, he would put the Americans before the Russians. Do you know how many Germany armies the Russians destroyed compared to the Americans? Their war effort makes yours look pathetic, do some reading and stop listening to your overpatriotic history teacher who makes you chant that "I pledge alligenge to the flag" bullshit before every class.
"and it's not our fault your country couldnt keep control of it's colonies around the world, we can keep control of all 50 of them"
Typical American naivety, base all history on American history (you also seem to be confusing a colony with a state). You were one of the only countries that waged a war for indendence from us, you seem to think that we lost all the countries in our empire when we lost the Revolutionary war. Do some reading up on the Commonwealth of Nations my friend, I think you'll find that Queen Elizabeth is the head-of state for over 50 countries. Over time, the monarchy has relinquished its authority bit by bit so these countries run themselves and can attain a unique identity. That is hardly losing control, its retaining control by avoiding revolt........
And if you want further proof that the UK can keep "control" of its dependancies, you might want to investigate how the people of Gibraltor feel amount the Spanish claim to the island, or more importantly how we kicked ass in the Falklands whe the Argies invaded in 82
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_ … occupation
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Here's one point of view to WWII that most americans seem to forget: Before usa joined european battlfield, other countries had been fighting Germany for a long time making it weaker. So it was like a fresh boxer entering ring in a round twelve, looking so much better compared to opponent who had been beaten for 11 rounds. I wonder what situation would have been if usa had taken first hits.
Ok, Ok your DICK is really longer and bigger than mine.. Do you drive porche?
Have anyone given a slightest thought that there are "countries" other than in the US and EU?
When will they earned the right to drive a Sweet car? Have some luxury and silicon titts..
Really, Guys.. there are more to it than just _flat_tyre_debate.
Cheer up! Do you want a beer?
Hugs /Zhaman
Have anyone given a slightest thought that there are "countries" other than in the US and EU?
When will they earned the right to drive a Sweet car? Have some luxury and silicon titts..
Really, Guys.. there are more to it than just _flat_tyre_debate.
Cheer up! Do you want a beer?
Hugs /Zhaman
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America is the #1 most hated country in the world.
America is the #1 leader in fastfood and obesity 65% of Americans are overweight / mordbidly obese.
America is based on corruption slaughter and gun/bomb mentalities.
America is hated by all including Americans.
All Facts.
America is the #1 leader in fastfood and obesity 65% of Americans are overweight / mordbidly obese.
America is based on corruption slaughter and gun/bomb mentalities.
America is hated by all including Americans.
All Facts.
Well Man, that is a bit harch on the American People in Common.Berserk_Vampire wrote:
America is the #1 most hated country in the world.
America is the #1 leader in fastfood and obesity 65% of Americans are overweight / mordbidly obese.
America is based on corruption slaughter and gun/bomb mentalities.
America is hated by all including Americans.
All Facts.
I would more say that they have a bit of a problem.. but I must admit, they do really have BIG country to rule.. and where I live it's just small potatoes. Ok, one-on-one deathmatch? already?
Just joking. But it is of great concern that we get along better in this crazy world.. We talk about Aliens and shit.. Man, Í really do not think they want anything from us at the moment.. somebody must have dropped us all in the floor when we were young..
PEACE / Zhaman
Points one and two, ok.Berserk_Vampire wrote:
America is the #1 most hated country in the world.
America is the #1 leader in fastfood and obesity 65% of Americans are overweight / mordbidly obese.
America is based on corruption slaughter and gun/bomb mentalities.
America is hated by all including Americans.
All Facts.
Point 3: (You have been watching too many Michael Moore films.) This is much too broad a generalization to be true.
Point 4: Hahahahaha! Which poll did you get this from?...or is it only conjecture?
Everything i say is true it comes from the heart too.RAIMIUS wrote:
Points one and two, ok.Berserk_Vampire wrote:
America is the #1 most hated country in the world.
America is the #1 leader in fastfood and obesity 65% of Americans are overweight / mordbidly obese.
America is based on corruption slaughter and gun/bomb mentalities.
America is hated by all including Americans.
All Facts.
Point 3: (You have been watching too many Michael Moore films.) This is much too broad a generalization to be true.
Point 4: Hahahahaha! Which poll did you get this from?...or is it only conjecture?
You can't deny that a big percentage of Americans are mentally ill and are gun wielding nutjobs.
Its also true alot of Americans are ashamed to be American and live in America for example take a look at the "Dixie Chicks" that country band or what ever they said they are ashamed to be from Texas. Then they got death threats lol proof right there cant blame em though.
So remember kids America in a nutshell.
Slaughter,Corruption,Obesity,Firearms = pack it into a big blob of goodness and you got an American.
like doing a "Britney".. White trash going rich and now suddenly in trouble. But, still peace to her.. she at least made it a go.. Cool.. she was really sexy, even I must agree to that.. but Mr Michael Jackson.. "the Superfreak" nowadays.. but he too made some of the best known music to Man. Cool.Berserk_Vampire wrote:
Everything i say is true it comes from the heart too.RAIMIUS wrote:
Points one and two, ok.Berserk_Vampire wrote:
America is the #1 most hated country in the world.
America is the #1 leader in fastfood and obesity 65% of Americans are overweight / mordbidly obese.
America is based on corruption slaughter and gun/bomb mentalities.
America is hated by all including Americans.
All Facts.
Point 3: (You have been watching too many Michael Moore films.) This is much too broad a generalization to be true.
Point 4: Hahahahaha! Which poll did you get this from?...or is it only conjecture?
You can't deny that a big percentage of Americans are mentally ill and are gun wielding nutjobs.
Its also true alot of Americans are ashamed to be American and live in America for example take a look at the "Dixie Chicks" that country band or what ever they said they are ashamed to be from Texas. Then they got death threats lol proof right there cant blame em though.
So remember kids America in a nutshell.
Slaughter,Corruption,Obesity,Firearms = pack it into a big blob of goodness and you got an American.
I really do not hate or dislike anyone.. but there are still some "sickoes" trying to do better.. Yea, you know.. that fuckin guy on the pavement ... sucking for a $... please.. help me out.. Ande then just "suddenly" SB says.. Fkk off Man... well that is really nice too.
Behave or be gone.
/Zhaman
Not you again...Berserk_Vampire wrote:
America is the #1 most hated country in the world.
America is the #1 leader in fastfood and obesity 65% of Americans are overweight / mordbidly obese.
America is based on corruption slaughter and gun/bomb mentalities.
America is hated by all including Americans.
All Facts.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman